IRC log of aapi on 2011-02-17
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- 15:11:36 [Andi]
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- Scribe: Andi
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- Meeting: AAPI
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- chair: Andi
- 15:17:09 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 15:17:26 [davidb]
- Zakim, IPcaller is David_Bolter
- 15:17:26 [Zakim]
- +David_Bolter; got it
- 15:19:21 [Andi]
- topic: role="presentation"
- 15:19:45 [Andi]
- UAIG is out of sync with the spec
- 15:20:13 [Andi]
- David has concerns - understanding was that implementation could be more flexible
- 15:21:53 [Andi]
- AS: if role="presentation" can receive focus, it's okay to expose it
- 15:22:07 [Andi]
- CS: sounds like an authoring error and should be in the authoring guide
- 15:22:32 [Andi]
- CS: but can imagine a scenario where the click handler gets bound late and the object is not in the tree
- 15:22:56 [Andi]
- CS: agree that if it is focusable, role="presentation" should be ignored
- 15:23:36 [Andi]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11805
- 15:23:43 [Andi]
- topic: bug 11805
- 15:24:10 [Andi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#notify_state_changes
- 15:26:48 [Andi]
- CS: thinks the language we have is supposed to account for the <input type=checkbox checked aria-checked=mixed>
- 15:27:16 [Andi]
- CS: HTML 5 doesn't support "mixed" state for checkboxes
- 15:27:37 [Andi]
- CS: at Boston meeting, thought we were going to submit a bug on HTML 5, don't know if we ever did that
- 15:29:16 [Andi]
- CS: agreement with HTML 5 WG is that we would allow HTML 5 to forbid certain WAI-ARIA attributes
- 15:30:32 [Andi]
- action: Andi to start e-mail thread with James and Michael to resolve
- 15:30:35 [davidb]
- DB: I echo James' concerns
- 15:40:30 [Andi]
- topic: bug 11510
- 15:40:45 [Andi]
- DB: all I care about is that we don't allow the action to happen
- 15:41:06 [Andi]
- DB: issue 88 wants the actions to not be exposed if aria-disabled="true"
- 15:41:36 [Andi]
- DB: if checkbox has action but is disabled, should UA expose the action?
- 15:42:11 [Andi]
- CS: nothing would happen if you tried to perform the action but think the action is still exposed
- 15:42:34 [Andi]
- DB: think they should be exposed as normal but performing the action should not work
- 15:42:52 [Andi]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 15:43:02 [Zakim]
- Andi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cynthia_Shelly (80%), David_Bolter (15%)
- 15:44:24 [Andi]
- action: Andi to send an e-mail to Sally about issue-88. Ask for clarification and let her know that our preference is to expose the action but just not allow it to happen
- 15:44:47 [Andi]
- AS: is this not confusing to the user?
- 15:44:58 [Andi]
- DB: user will know that it is disabled
- 15:45:10 [Andi]
- CS: think this is consistent with how it works for native controls
- 15:46:56 [Andi]
- bug to Cynthia to check that this is the behavior for native controls
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- -David_Bolter
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter
- 15:53:33 [Andi]
- zakim, bye
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- 15:53:37 [davidb]
- np
- 15:53:37 [Andi]
- rrsagent, make minute
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', Andi. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-aapi-minutes.html Andi
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- 20:55:29 [MichaelC]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-aapi-minutes.html MichaelC
- 20:55:54 [MichaelC]
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- 20:55:59 [MichaelC]
- Andi, should be fixed
- 20:56:09 [MichaelC]
- you can always ask the bot to regenerate them if this happens
- 20:56:22 [MichaelC]
- and even, as I did, re-invite it to the channel and ask it to generate
- 20:56:26 [MichaelC]
- as long as it's the same day
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- I see no action items