IRC log of aapi on 2011-02-17

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15:11:36 [Andi]
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Scribe: Andi
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Meeting: AAPI
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chair: Andi
15:17:09 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:17:26 [davidb]
Zakim, IPcaller is David_Bolter
15:17:26 [Zakim]
+David_Bolter; got it
15:19:21 [Andi]
topic: role="presentation"
15:19:45 [Andi]
UAIG is out of sync with the spec
15:20:13 [Andi]
David has concerns - understanding was that implementation could be more flexible
15:21:53 [Andi]
AS: if role="presentation" can receive focus, it's okay to expose it
15:22:07 [Andi]
CS: sounds like an authoring error and should be in the authoring guide
15:22:32 [Andi]
CS: but can imagine a scenario where the click handler gets bound late and the object is not in the tree
15:22:56 [Andi]
CS: agree that if it is focusable, role="presentation" should be ignored
15:23:36 [Andi]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11805
15:23:43 [Andi]
topic: bug 11805
15:24:10 [Andi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#notify_state_changes
15:26:48 [Andi]
CS: thinks the language we have is supposed to account for the <input type=checkbox checked aria-checked=mixed>
15:27:16 [Andi]
CS: HTML 5 doesn't support "mixed" state for checkboxes
15:27:37 [Andi]
CS: at Boston meeting, thought we were going to submit a bug on HTML 5, don't know if we ever did that
15:29:16 [Andi]
CS: agreement with HTML 5 WG is that we would allow HTML 5 to forbid certain WAI-ARIA attributes
15:30:32 [Andi]
action: Andi to start e-mail thread with James and Michael to resolve
15:30:35 [davidb]
DB: I echo James' concerns
15:40:30 [Andi]
topic: bug 11510
15:40:45 [Andi]
DB: all I care about is that we don't allow the action to happen
15:41:06 [Andi]
DB: issue 88 wants the actions to not be exposed if aria-disabled="true"
15:41:36 [Andi]
DB: if checkbox has action but is disabled, should UA expose the action?
15:42:11 [Andi]
CS: nothing would happen if you tried to perform the action but think the action is still exposed
15:42:34 [Andi]
DB: think they should be exposed as normal but performing the action should not work
15:42:52 [Andi]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:43:02 [Zakim]
Andi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cynthia_Shelly (80%), David_Bolter (15%)
15:44:24 [Andi]
action: Andi to send an e-mail to Sally about issue-88. Ask for clarification and let her know that our preference is to expose the action but just not allow it to happen
15:44:47 [Andi]
AS: is this not confusing to the user?
15:44:58 [Andi]
DB: user will know that it is disabled
15:45:10 [Andi]
CS: think this is consistent with how it works for native controls
15:46:56 [Andi]
bug to Cynthia to check that this is the behavior for native controls
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-David_Bolter
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter
15:53:33 [Andi]
zakim, bye
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15:53:37 [davidb]
np
15:53:37 [Andi]
rrsagent, make minute
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', Andi. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:53:42 [Andi]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-aapi-minutes.html Andi
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20:55:29 [MichaelC]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-aapi-minutes.html MichaelC
20:55:54 [MichaelC]
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20:55:59 [MichaelC]
Andi, should be fixed
20:56:09 [MichaelC]
you can always ask the bot to regenerate them if this happens
20:56:22 [MichaelC]
and even, as I did, re-invite it to the channel and ask it to generate
20:56:26 [MichaelC]
as long as it's the same day
20:56:32 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make log public
20:56:38 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items