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15:11:36 <Andi> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:11:54 <Andi> Scribe: Andi
15:12:02 <Andi> Meeting: AAPI 
15:12:16 <Andi> chair: Andi
15:17:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:17:26 <davidb> Zakim, IPcaller is David_Bolter
15:17:26 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
15:19:21 <Andi> topic: role="presentation"
15:19:45 <Andi> UAIG is out of sync with the spec
15:20:13 <Andi> David has concerns - understanding was that implementation could be more flexible
15:21:53 <Andi> AS: if role="presentation" can receive focus, it's okay to expose it
15:22:07 <Andi> CS: sounds like an authoring error and should be in the authoring guide
15:22:32 <Andi> CS: but can imagine a scenario where the click handler gets bound late and the object is not in the tree
15:22:56 <Andi> CS: agree that if it is focusable, role="presentation" should be ignored
15:23:36 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11805
15:23:43 <Andi> topic: bug 11805
15:24:10 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#notify_state_changes
15:26:48 <Andi> CS: thinks the language we have is supposed to account for the <input type=checkbox checked aria-checked=mixed>
15:27:16 <Andi> CS: HTML 5 doesn't support "mixed" state for checkboxes
15:27:37 <Andi> CS: at Boston meeting, thought we were going to submit a bug on HTML 5, don't know if we ever did that
15:29:16 <Andi> CS: agreement with HTML 5 WG is that we would allow HTML 5 to forbid certain WAI-ARIA attributes
15:30:32 <Andi> action: Andi to start e-mail thread with James and Michael to resolve
15:30:35 <davidb> DB: I echo James' concerns
15:40:30 <Andi> topic: bug 11510
15:40:45 <Andi> DB: all I care about is that we don't allow the action to happen
15:41:06 <Andi> DB: issue 88 wants the actions to not be exposed if aria-disabled="true"
15:41:36 <Andi> DB: if checkbox has action but is disabled, should UA expose the action?
15:42:11 <Andi> CS: nothing would happen if you tried to perform the action but think the action is still exposed
15:42:34 <Andi> DB: think they should be exposed as normal but performing the action should not work
15:42:52 <Andi> zakim, who is making noise?
15:43:02 <Zakim> Andi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cynthia_Shelly (80%), David_Bolter (15%)
15:44:24 <Andi> action: Andi to send an e-mail to Sally about issue-88. Ask for clarification and let her know that our preference is to expose the action but just not allow it to happen
15:44:47 <Andi> AS: is this not confusing to the user?
15:44:58 <Andi> DB: user will know that it is disabled
15:45:10 <Andi> CS: think this is consistent with how it works for native controls
15:46:56 <Andi> bug to Cynthia to check that this is the behavior for native controls
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15:51:49 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended
15:51:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter
15:53:33 <Andi> zakim, bye
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15:53:37 <davidb> np
15:53:37 <Andi> rrsagent, make minute
15:53:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', Andi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:53:42 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:53:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-aapi-minutes.html Andi
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20:55:29 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
20:55:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-aapi-minutes.html MichaelC
20:55:54 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
20:55:59 <MichaelC> Andi, should be fixed
20:56:09 <MichaelC> you can always ask the bot to regenerate them if this happens
20:56:22 <MichaelC> and even, as I did, re-invite it to the channel and ask it to generate
20:56:26 <MichaelC> as long as it's the same day
20:56:32 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log public
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20:56:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items