IRC log of awwsw on 2011-02-01

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13:56:37 [jar_]
yes
13:56:40 [mhausenblas]
cool
13:56:48 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, code?
13:56:48 [Zakim]
sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is
13:56:55 [jar_]
zakim, this will be awwsw
13:56:55 [Zakim]
ok, jar_; I see TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has now started
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+mhausenblas
13:57:20 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, who's here?
13:57:21 [Zakim]
On the phone I see mhausenblas
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, jar_, mhausenblas, webr3, trackbot
13:57:24 [mhausenblas]
oh ;)
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+jar
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+DBooth
13:58:36 [jar_]
Working on status report http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/2011/status-2011-02.html
13:59:23 [jar_]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0044.html
13:59:31 [jar_]
jar_ has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0044.html (jar_)
14:01:41 [dbooth]
Topic: TAG status report
14:03:05 [dbooth]
dbooth: Suggest removing or separating out the question of whether a journal article is an IR. Just say "suppose a 200 is returned"
14:04:57 [dbooth]
dbooth: Also suggest keeping discussion of persistence separate.
14:10:47 [dbooth]
dbooth: I also suggest adding the licensing scenario you posted yesterday: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0053.html
14:11:38 [jar_]
In general we do three kinds of analysis: empirical (current and
14:11:38 [jar_]
'best' practice), specification-based, speculative (future and future
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'best' practice).
14:16:07 [jar_]
the 'R' and 'S' piece of writing is the bottom of this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0045.html
14:17:04 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:17:19 [webr3]
Zakim, I am +[IPcaller]
14:17:19 [Zakim]
sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]'
14:17:37 [mhausenblas]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/2011/status-2011-02.html
14:17:55 [webr3]
Zakim, I am +??
14:17:55 [Zakim]
sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '+??'
14:20:05 [webr3]
''am I being going to be held accountable?'' (being going)
14:22:19 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, webr3 is IPcaller
14:22:19 [Zakim]
sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'webr3'
14:22:39 [webr3]
Zakim, I am IPcaller
14:22:39 [Zakim]
ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
14:23:45 [jar_]
dbooth: Do the motivating scenario. If that comes through clearly, it will engage people in the problem
14:24:24 [jar_]
(jar was saying that we only have 45 minutes)
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(at the TAG meeting)
14:27:30 [jar_]
Request for JAR to send slideware to AWWSW for review pre meeting (which is ~Feb 9)
14:28:08 [dbooth]
dbooth: I think the most important thing for you to cover at the TAG meeting is the motivating use case that we just discussed -- the licensing confusion.
14:28:10 [jar_]
questions for TAG? questions for TimBL?
14:31:56 [webr3]
I do have one primary question at the minute - should we be focussing on and modelling messages (request to response w/ origin servers etc taken in to account), or representations (rep of a resource etc..) - unsure if that's worth asking for feedback on, or considering though
14:32:06 [webr3]
(or both)
14:34:47 [jar_]
db: Bring some of the 'setup' RDF into the dialog part of the use case?
14:36:26 [jar_]
Some people aren't going to understand the RDF.... express them in English at the same time...
14:36:44 [jar_]
English, how Alice expresses it in RDF, how Bob expresses it in RDF ...
14:36:52 [dbooth]
dbooth: Maybe the RDF in the motivating use case could also be expressed in English? That may help people understand it.
14:37:28 [jar_]
definition of xhtml:license says it does not distinguish...
14:37:36 [webr3]
see: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/links.html#link-type-license
14:38:33 [jar_]
db: The ambiguity is orthogonal...
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14:40:15 [mhausenblas]
http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/
14:40:50 [mhausenblas]
http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/
14:41:37 [mhausenblas]
http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/
14:41:58 [mhausenblas]
http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/
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14:42:43 [webr3]
-> http://pastebin.com/wgSkgDH8
14:43:44 [webr3]
{ a rel href }
14:44:12 [jar_]
webr3: link relations - is rel consistent?
14:45:34 [mhausenblas]
I'm happy to submit what we have to TAG
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14:47:55 [jar_]
very limited...
14:48:21 [jar_]
mh: Need the conditional element - "if you care"
14:50:16 [jar_]
it's a standard, so we have no choice
14:54:02 [webr3]
why not AWWW 2 ?
14:54:29 [jar_]
but yes. we are not claiming we have authority
14:54:39 [Zakim]
-mhausenblas
14:58:41 [jar_]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, pointer
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See http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-awwsw-irc#T14-59-16
14:59:18 [Zakim]
-DBooth
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-[IPcaller]
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-jar
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TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were mhausenblas, jar, DBooth, [IPcaller]
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chair: Jonathan Rees
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scribe: No one in particular
15:02:08 [jar_]
rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:08 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-awwsw-minutes.html jar_
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meeting: AWWSW
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-awwsw-minutes.html dbooth
16:56:11 [dbooth]
rrsagent, bye
16:56:11 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items