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13:56:37 <jar_> yes
13:56:40 <mhausenblas> cool
13:56:48 <mhausenblas> Zakim, code?
13:56:48 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is
13:56:55 <jar_> zakim, this will be awwsw
13:56:55 <Zakim> ok, jar_; I see TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:57:12 <Zakim> TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has now started
13:57:19 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
13:57:20 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
13:57:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas
13:57:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, jar_, mhausenblas, webr3, trackbot
13:57:24 <mhausenblas> oh ;)
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13:58:05 <Zakim> +jar
13:58:35 <Zakim> +DBooth
13:58:36 <jar_> Working on status report http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/2011/status-2011-02.html
13:59:23 <jar_> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0044.html
13:59:31 <jar_> jar_ has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0044.html (jar_)
14:01:41 <dbooth> Topic: TAG status report
14:03:05 <dbooth> dbooth: Suggest removing or separating out the question of whether a journal article is an IR.  Just say "suppose a 200 is returned"
14:04:57 <dbooth> dbooth: Also suggest keeping discussion of persistence separate.
14:10:47 <dbooth> dbooth: I also suggest adding the licensing scenario you posted yesterday: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0053.html
14:11:38 <jar_> In general we do three kinds of analysis: empirical (current and
14:11:38 <jar_> 'best' practice), specification-based, speculative (future and future
14:11:40 <jar_> 'best' practice).
14:16:07 <jar_> the 'R' and 'S' piece of writing is the bottom of this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Jan/0045.html
14:17:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:17:19 <webr3> Zakim, I am +[IPcaller]
14:17:19 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]'
14:17:37 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/2011/status-2011-02.html
14:17:55 <webr3> Zakim, I am +??
14:17:55 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '+??'
14:20:05 <webr3> ''am I being going to be held accountable?'' (being going)
14:22:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, webr3 is IPcaller
14:22:19 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'webr3'
14:22:39 <webr3> Zakim, I am IPcaller
14:22:39 <Zakim> ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
14:23:45 <jar_> dbooth: Do the motivating scenario.  If that comes through clearly, it will engage people in the problem
14:24:24 <jar_> (jar was saying that we only have 45 minutes)
14:24:59 <jar_> (at the TAG meeting)
14:27:30 <jar_> Request for  JAR to send slideware to AWWSW for review pre meeting (which is ~Feb 9)
14:28:08 <dbooth> dbooth: I think the most important thing for you to cover at the TAG meeting is the motivating use case that we just discussed -- the licensing confusion. 
14:28:10 <jar_> questions for TAG? questions for TimBL?
14:31:56 <webr3> I do have one primary question at the minute - should we be focussing on and modelling messages (request to response w/ origin servers etc taken in to account), or representations (rep of a resource etc..) - unsure if that's worth asking for feedback on, or considering though
14:32:06 <webr3> (or both)
14:34:47 <jar_> db: Bring some of the 'setup' RDF into the dialog part of the use case?
14:36:26 <jar_> Some people aren't going to understand the RDF.... express them in English at the same time...
14:36:44 <jar_> English, how Alice expresses it in RDF, how Bob expresses it in RDF ...
14:36:52 <dbooth> dbooth: Maybe the RDF in the motivating use case could also be expressed in English?  That may help people understand it.
14:37:28 <jar_> definition of xhtml:license says it does not distinguish...
14:37:36 <webr3> see: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/links.html#link-type-license
14:38:33 <jar_> db: The ambiguity is orthogonal...
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14:40:15 <mhausenblas> http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/
14:40:50 <mhausenblas> http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/
14:41:37 <mhausenblas> http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/
14:41:58 <mhausenblas> http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/
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14:42:43 <webr3> -> http://pastebin.com/wgSkgDH8
14:43:44 <webr3> { a rel href }
14:44:12 <jar_> webr3: link relations - is rel consistent?
14:45:34 <mhausenblas> I'm happy to submit what we have to TAG
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14:47:55 <jar_> very limited...
14:48:21 <jar_> mh: Need the conditional element - "if you care"
14:50:16 <jar_> it's a standard, so we have no choice
14:54:02 <webr3> why not AWWW 2 ?
14:54:29 <jar_> but yes.  we are not claiming we have authority 
14:54:39 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
14:58:41 <jar_> rrsagent, make logs public
14:59:16 <jar_> rrsagent, pointer
14:59:16 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-awwsw-irc#T14-59-16
14:59:18 <Zakim> -DBooth
14:59:19 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:59:23 <Zakim> -jar
14:59:24 <Zakim> TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has ended
14:59:26 <Zakim> Attendees were mhausenblas, jar, DBooth, [IPcaller]
15:01:20 <jar_> chair: Jonathan Rees
15:01:26 <jar_> scribe: No one in particular
15:02:08 <jar_> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-awwsw-minutes.html jar_
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16:55:26 <dbooth> meeting: AWWSW
16:55:39 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:55:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-awwsw-minutes.html dbooth
16:56:11 <dbooth> rrsagent, bye
16:56:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items