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16:54:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
16:54:37 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:54:37 <trackbot> Date: 11 January 2011
16:54:41 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jan/0009.html
16:54:46 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:57:08 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
16:57:15 <Zakim> +wcandillon
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16:58:14 <Zakim> -wcandillon
16:58:54 <nyoung> Hi, I'm the (314) number
16:58:59 <nyoung> Nate Young from Revelytix
16:59:03 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
16:59:09 <Ashok> Ashok has joined #rdb2rdf
16:59:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
16:59:11 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
16:59:12 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:59:13 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:59:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.314.488.aaaa, mhausenblas, Ivan (muted)
16:59:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, boris, Marcelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, nyoung, mhausenblas, MacTed, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
16:59:42 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is nyoung 
16:59:42 <Zakim> +nyoung; got it
16:59:49 <Zakim> + +49.133.6.aabb
16:59:52 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
16:59:52 <Zakim> Ivan was not muted, ivan
17:00:06 <Zakim> + +1.314.288.aacc
17:00:23 <Zakim> + +1.636.544.aadd
17:00:27 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is boris 
17:00:27 <Zakim> +boris; got it
17:00:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see nyoung, mhausenblas, Ivan, boris, +1.314.288.aacc, +1.636.544.aadd
17:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, boris, Marcelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, nyoung, mhausenblas, MacTed, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:00:51 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaee
17:01:00 <MacTed> Zakim, aaee is OpenLink_Software
17:01:00 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
17:01:06 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:01:06 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:01:14 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:01:14 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:01:47 <Angela> Angela has joined #RDB2RDF
17:01:50 <Seema> Seema has joined #rdb2rdf
17:01:59 <nunolopes> nunolopes has joined #RDB2RDF
17:02:03 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is Scanlon
17:02:03 <Zakim> +Scanlon; got it
17:02:10 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is David
17:02:10 <Zakim> +David; got it
17:02:14 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see nyoung, mhausenblas, Ivan, boris, Scanlon, David, MacTed (muted)
17:02:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see nunolopes, Seema, Ashok, boris, Marcelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, nyoung, mhausenblas, MacTed, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:02:20 <nunolopes> Zakim, nunolopes is with mhausenblas
17:02:20 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
17:02:27 <Angela> Angela has joined #RDB2RDF
17:02:42 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
17:03:03 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43889
17:03:13 <privera> privera has joined #RDB2RDF
17:03:55 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaff
17:04:17 <Seema> Zakim, aaff is Seema
17:04:17 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
17:04:22 <Zakim> +??P22
17:04:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see nyoung, mhausenblas, Ivan, boris, Scanlon, David, MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, ??P22
17:04:41 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, nunolopes
17:04:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see privera, Angela, nunolopes, Seema, Ashok, boris, Marcelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, nyoung, mhausenblas, MacTed, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:05:23 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
17:05:23 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:05:25 <Zakim> +EricP
17:05:55 <Zakim> -EricP
17:06:11 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
17:06:11 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:06:12 <Zakim> +EricP
17:06:23 <Angela> could you cut off ??P22 i had an IP phone call and had a blue death...I think my call is pending and i can not dial in again...
17:06:25 <Zakim> +Alexandre
17:06:28 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:06:28 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MacTed (muted)
17:06:37 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
17:06:37 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
17:06:47 <mhausenblas> scribenick: MacTed 
17:06:51 <privera> Zakim, mute me
17:06:51 <Zakim> sorry, privera, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:07:02 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aagg
17:07:06 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin 
17:07:16 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aagg is Souri
17:07:16 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
17:07:18 <privera> Zakim, mute me
17:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, privera, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:07:24 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdb2rdf
17:07:55 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P22 is privera 
17:07:55 <Zakim> +privera; got it
17:08:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:08:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see nyoung, mhausenblas, Ivan, boris, Scanlon, David, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, privera, EricP, Alexandre, Souri
17:08:02 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, nunolopes
17:08:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, privera, Angela, nunolopes, Seema, Ashok, boris, Marcelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, nyoung, mhausenblas, MacTed, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:08:34 <MacTed> Scanlon: new from Revelytix, converting their tool to use R2RML 
17:08:55 <Zakim> + +1.562.249.aahh
17:09:11 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aahh is Marcelo 
17:09:11 <Zakim> +Marcelo; got it
17:09:11 <betehess> Zakim, aahh is Marcelo 
17:09:12 <Zakim> sorry, betehess, I do not recognize a party named 'aahh'
17:09:19 <mhausenblas> + PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
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17:10:05 <betehess> +1
17:10:08 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:10:08 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:10:38 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
17:10:41 <MacTed> $dayjob intrudes, I'm sorry, I have to abdicate scribe
17:10:43 <privera> Zakim, mute me
17:10:43 <Zakim> privera should now be muted
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17:11:07 <Zakim> +wcandillon
17:11:31 <mhausenblas> scribenick: Ashok 
17:11:33 <Ashok> scribenick:  Ashok
17:13:13 <Ashok> Ashok:  What is process to move drafts to next stage?
17:13:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: Ashok means moving to CR
17:13:40 <Ashok> Ivan:  When WG solves all the issues we can issue a Last Call
17:13:56 <Ashok> ... we will get a bunch of comments
17:14:28 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2009/08/rdb2rdf-charter
17:14:29 <Bob> Bob has joined #RDB2RDF
17:14:39 <Ashok> ... we need to respond formally to these and then move to PR
17:15:14 <betehess> related question: do we plan to move both r2ml and the direct mapping to CR at the same time?
17:16:06 <Ashok> Michael:  We will need at least 2 conforming implementations ... so we need to focus on test suites, test cases 
17:16:12 <Ashok> s/PR/CR/
17:17:12 <Ashok> Michael:  It would be good to move both drafts to CR together but that's not necessary
17:17:35 <Ashok> Ivan:  It would be better to adavance the 2 documents in step
17:18:01 <Ashok> s/adavance/advance/
17:18:13 <Ashok> Topic:  Review of Test Cases - Boris
17:18:21 <betehess> Zakim, who makes noise
17:18:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who makes noise', betehess
17:18:25 <betehess> Zakim, who is noisy
17:18:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', betehess
17:18:39 <mhausenblas>  ACTION-91?
17:19:03 <mhausenblas> hmm, why does tracker not understand this
17:19:06 <Ashok> Boris:  We changed the methodology of the ntest cases on the last telcon.  We will send test cases in email
17:19:20 <Ashok> s/ntest/test/
17:19:23 <mhausenblas> ACTION-91?
17:19:23 <trackbot> ACTION-91 -- Michael Hausenblas to move accepted TC from wiki to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:19:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/91
17:20:18 <Ashok> Michael:  You need CVS access ... send mail to Ivan
17:20:40 <betehess> q+
17:20:49 <betehess> q-
17:21:01 <mhausenblas> ACTION-81?
17:21:01 <trackbot> ACTION-81 -- Juan Sequeda to and Eric to draft Direct Mapping TC -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:21:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/81
17:21:11 <Ashok> We will continue with test cases by mail
17:21:13 <betehess> [/me recalls we can now use Mercurial instead of CVS]
17:21:39 <Ashok> What's Mercurial?
17:21:47 <Ashok> Topic:  R2RML Status
17:21:59 <ivan> ACTION-83?
17:21:59 <trackbot> ACTION-83 -- Ashok Malhotra to review R2RML ED -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:21:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/83
17:22:01 <Ashok> Souri:  We have been on vacation
17:22:02 <Seema> couldn't agree more with Soury
17:22:07 <betehess> A Decentralized Versionning Control System
17:22:13 <ivan> ACTION-84?
17:22:13 <trackbot> ACTION-84 -- Michael Hausenblas to ask Lee if he can review R2RML ED -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:22:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/84
17:22:18 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:22:21 <mhausenblas> Ashok, the right way to do VC ... see http://hginit.com
17:23:15 <ivan> q+
17:23:31 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:23:32 <Ashok> Souri:  We have some comments ...  we will look at these and report back next week
17:23:51 <Ashok> Richard:  Similar story at my end
17:24:42 <ivan> ACTION-86?
17:24:42 <trackbot> ACTION-86 -- Ivan Herman to review the R2RML ED till end of 01/2011 -- due 2010-12-14 -- CLOSED
17:24:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/86
17:24:56 <ivan> ACTION-87?
17:24:56 <trackbot> ACTION-87 -- Michael Hausenblas to nudge Richard C to address the R2RML - DM connection -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:24:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/87
17:26:54 <Ashok> Ashok:  Are we creating formal issues?
17:26:59 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/
17:27:14 <Ashok> Michael:  Please issue tracker above
17:28:05 <Ashok> ... you can name the issues for convenience
17:29:28 <Ashok> Ashok:  We can then schedule them for discussion on telcons
17:30:26 <Ashok> Ivan completed ACTION-86 ... action closed
17:31:04 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-87
17:31:04 <trackbot> ACTION-87 Nudge Richard C to address the R2RML - DM connection closed
17:31:23 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Richard to address the R2RML - DM connection
17:31:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Address the R2RML - DM connection [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-01-18].
17:31:50 <ivan> ACTION-85?
17:31:50 <trackbot> ACTION-85 -- Ted Thibodeau to review Direct Mapping ED -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:31:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/85
17:31:54 <Ashok> Topic:  Direct Mapping Status
17:32:11 <mhausenblas> ACTION-85?
17:32:12 <trackbot> ACTION-85 -- Ted Thibodeau to review Direct Mapping ED -- due 2011-01-11 -- OPEN
17:32:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/85
17:32:23 <mhausenblas> MacTed are you on?
17:32:38 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:32:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see nyoung, mhausenblas, Ivan, boris, Scanlon, David, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, privera (muted), EricP, Alexandre, Souri, Marcelo, wcandillon (muted)
17:32:41 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, nunolopes
17:32:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bob, David, cygri, Souri, privera, Angela, nunolopes, Seema, Ashok, boris, Marcelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, nyoung, mhausenblas, MacTed, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot,
17:32:45 <Zakim> ... ericP
17:33:07 <Ashok> Michael:  Editors, any comments
17:33:22 <Ashok> Marcelo:  I, too, have been on vacation
17:33:41 <Ashok> ... I will add Datalog semantics this months
17:33:55 <ivan> q+
17:34:11 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:34:38 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/
17:35:15 <Ashok> Ivan:  We have a document with agreed upon English semantics ... and Scala semantics
17:35:41 <Ashok> ... plan is to complete the document with Datalog semantics
17:36:33 <Ashok> Eric:  I want to fix the Scala semantics a bit.  The set notation semantics have been verified by M. Stonebraker and others 
17:37:13 <Ashok> Ivan:  How will the to documents be harmonized ... for example the URI generation algorithm
17:37:16 <betehess> it's not really a "Scala semantics" but that's ok
17:37:46 <Ashok> Richard:  If we had an empty R2RML document that would be the Direct Mapping
17:38:05 <Ashok> ... we have not gotten it to that direction
17:38:51 <Ashok> ... It's a tricky issue.  Will require some thought.  Need some creative solutions.
17:39:01 <Souri> q+
17:39:29 <Ashok> ... If you don't say something about a table is it just not mapped or is the default mapping used?
17:39:35 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
17:40:04 <Ashok> Souri:  I will look at it ... I will create some points for discussion next week
17:41:15 <Ashok> ... question is what is the universe ... what about tables not specified ... or perhaps if only parts of Table are mapped
17:41:29 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Souri to identify not-mapping vs. default-mapping issues in R2RML/DM (Wiki or via mail)
17:41:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Souri
17:41:42 <Souri> sdas2
17:41:53 <mhausenblas> ACTION: sdas2 to identify not-mapping vs. default-mapping issues in R2RML/DM (Wiki or via mail)
17:41:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Identify not-mapping vs. default-mapping issues in R2RML/DM (Wiki or via mail) [on Souripriya Das - due 2011-01-18].
17:42:36 <Ashok> Topic:  Mapping to Ontology
17:42:37 <mhausenblas> ACTION-88?
17:42:37 <trackbot> ACTION-88 -- Souripriya Das to adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/ -- due 2011-01-18 -- OPEN
17:42:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/88
17:44:27 <ivan> q+
17:44:52 <ericP> q+ to talk about graph patterns which fit an OWL ontology or RDF schema
17:45:23 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:45:33 <mhausenblas> q?
17:45:39 <Ashok> Discussion of mapping to ontology
17:46:43 <cygri> q+
17:47:30 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:47:30 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to talk about graph patterns which fit an OWL ontology or RDF schema
17:47:32 <mhausenblas> q?
17:47:48 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:48:14 <ivan> q+
17:48:30 <Souri> q+
17:49:29 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:49:31 <mhausenblas> q?
17:50:09 <Ashok> Ivan:  Should we have a primer for R2RML?
17:50:27 <Ashok> ... then the mapping to an Ontology could go into the primer
17:50:56 <betehess> [[
17:50:57 <betehess> <betehess> ericP, boris, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdb2rdf-tests/ is alive
17:50:57 <betehess> <betehess> you can add whatever you want in it
17:50:57 <betehess> <betehess> all the WG has write access to it, using W3C web credentials
17:50:58 <betehess> ]]
17:51:29 <Ashok> Michael:  A primer would be good to have .... we could add principles for Linked Data mapping .... good practices
17:51:30 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
17:53:31 <mhausenblas> q?
17:53:47 <Ashok> Topic:  Linked Data
17:53:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION-89?
17:53:51 <trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Michael Hausenblas to create a Linked Data issue and draft proposal to address -- due 2011-01-18 -- OPEN
17:53:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/89
17:54:01 <Ashok> Michael:  I did not do my action yet
17:55:02 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
17:55:07 <Souri> what is the time frame?
17:55:36 <ericP> +½ to famous, +1 to rich
17:56:28 <Ashok> Discussion on writing a primer ... you can write it and then publish it as a book
17:57:01 <Ashok> rrrsagent, make logs public
17:57:06 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Semtech_2011_Proposal
17:57:18 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
17:58:08 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks a lot to Juan for all the hard work re the SemTech proposal
17:58:20 <ivan> q+
17:58:31 <mhausenblas> ack ivan 
17:58:32 <mhausenblas> q?
17:59:17 <Ashok> Ivan:  R2RML has changed quite a bit ... we should re-publish
17:59:49 <betehess> bye
17:59:51 <Zakim> -Souri
17:59:51 <ivan> zakim, drop me
17:59:51 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
17:59:52 <Zakim> -Seema
17:59:52 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:59:53 <Zakim> -nyoung
17:59:53 <Zakim> -Alexandre
17:59:54 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
17:59:55 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:59:57 <Ashok> Michael:  Let's try for new WD by the end of January
17:59:58 <Zakim> -David
18:00:03 <Zakim> -Marcelo
18:00:03 <Zakim> -Scanlon
18:00:07 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
18:00:08 <Zakim> -wcandillon
18:00:10 <Ashok> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:00:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok
18:00:10 <Zakim> -privera
18:00:12 <betehess> WD for which document?
18:00:16 <mhausenblas> Ashok, assuming you gonna send out the minutes?
18:00:27 <mhausenblas> thanks a lot for scribing, Ashok! 
18:00:47 <betehess> mhausenblas, I'm ok to scribe next week
18:00:53 <mhausenblas> thanks, betehess 
18:01:57 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list attendees
18:01:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been wcandillon, +1.314.488.aaaa, mhausenblas, Ivan, nyoung, +49.133.6.aabb, +1.314.288.aacc, +1.636.544.aadd, boris, +1.781.273.aaee, MacTed,
18:02:00 <Zakim> ... Scanlon, David, nunolopes, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.603.897.aaff, Seema, EricP, Alexandre, +1.603.897.aagg, Souri, privera, +1.562.249.aahh, Marcelo
18:02:24 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:02:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:02:46 <Ashok> Yes, Michael, I will send out the minutes
18:03:28 <mhausenblas> thanks Ashok 
18:03:35 <betehess> mhausenblas, I don't know if you noticed, we created an hg repository for the tests
18:03:48 <mhausenblas> no, really, v cool betehess 
18:03:49 <mhausenblas> where?
18:03:52 <betehess> anyone in the WG can write in it
18:04:02 <mhausenblas> pushing w/ which credentials?
18:04:05 <betehess> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdb2rdf-tests/
18:04:06 <mhausenblas> my W3C
18:04:12 <betehess> you w3c web credentials
18:04:17 <mhausenblas> A W E S O M E
18:04:21 <betehess> no need for public keys
18:04:29 <mhausenblas> this is how I like it ;)
18:04:35 <betehess> so do I
18:04:49 <betehess> ericP and boris are working on migrating the data
18:04:56 <mhausenblas> cool, thanks!
18:05:06 <mhausenblas> laters
18:05:13 <betehess> bye
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19:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, EricP, in SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
19:05:02 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
19:05:05 <Zakim> Attendees were wcandillon, +1.314.488.aaaa, mhausenblas, Ivan, nyoung, +49.133.6.aabb, +1.314.288.aacc, +1.636.544.aadd, boris, +1.781.273.aaee, MacTed, Scanlon, David, nunolopes,
19:05:07 <Zakim> ... Ashok_Malhotra, +1.603.897.aaff, Seema, EricP, Alexandre, +1.603.897.aagg, Souri, privera, +1.562.249.aahh, Marcelo
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