<anne> I will attend over IRC

<darobin> I'll have to be attending over IRC as well

Accept this agenda?

-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/07/26-agenda

<darobin> +1

Accepted

Accept minutes from the previous meeting?

-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes

Accepted.

Next meeting 9 Aug 2011

Anyone have to give regrets?

Robin gives regrets until September; Anne gives possible regrets for 9 Aug.

TPAC meeting

Norm: TPAC is meeting in November, is there any interest in even a brief 2f2 meeting if we're still active in October?

Bob: I'd be interested if it could start after 1:00 so that I could fly in and out on the same day.

Norm: I'm not saying we have to have a meeting, but if we'll all be there anyway.
... Ok, I'll leave it on the table as a possibility and we'll decide when we get closer.

<darobin> [if we have a meeting, I'd suggest perhaps doing so with the TAG on Monday]

<hsivonen> unfortunately, I don't know if I'll be at TPAC

<anne> meeting at TPAC seems fine; I might be on vacation Aug 9 but I do not know yet

Review of latest snapshot draft.

-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/snapshot/

Norm: Apologies, this wasn't actually on the agenda.
... But after our last meeting, I attempted to implement our decisions and republished a draft.
... Is there anyone who has not had time to look at that draft?

Norm: Is there anyone who thinks I misrepresented our decisions?

None heard.

Some discussion of publication; consensus is that TAG has to publish.

Some discussion of schema validation which is perhaps a bit tangential

Recent email threads

Norm: I reviewed the recent threads and beyond a few vague requests for greater clarity and some arguments that seemed to get resolved, I didn't find much that felt actionable.
... Did anyone else see any comments they feel we must address?

<darobin> no, but I'd like to have more clarity on the clarification requests

<darobin> if possible without having to demonstrate everything from first principles :)

No one suggests any.

Bob: I don't think we have enough detail in the report.
... Is it our job to provide that detail.

Norm: I think we'd benefit from a few specific examples mailed to the list.
... No one has suggested anything actionable in the recent email.
... I wonder if we should ask the TAG to publish this as a Note so that it has real standing, not just an editorial snapshot.

Bob: I'd be happy with that providing we ask were do we go from here.

<darobin> publishing might get us broader feedback

Henri: It seems to me that there were requests for really broad things. Can we assume that the issues are pretty much known? It's not clear to me if that was a question of personal understanding or devils advocacy.

Norm: I think we'll have to address that to get the TAG to publish, but I agree that we don't want to make a great, long exposition from first principles.
... I think the question is, is there anything we as a task force want to change about the document before we make it officially public.

Henri: To me it looks like the report is ready for publication, but I'd like to read it again.

Norm: Thank you, Henri.
... I've been asked to report back to the TAG in early September. I propose that at that meeting, I will request pubication. If anyone sees anything between now and then that they think needs to be addressed, please send it to the list.
... Anyone have any problems with that approach?

Henri: Sounds good to me.

<anne> I agree with hsivonen

<anne> And the approach sounds fine

Any other business?

None heard.

Adjourned.

Norm: Thank you all for attending, by phone or IRC, and we'll talk again soon.