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<trackbot> Date: 02 December 2010
<JAllan> kim, are you going to join the call?
<scribe> Scribe: kford
JS: Number of items related to working draft.
<JAllan> current draft at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101117/#gl-keyboard-access
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101130/
JS: asked people to approve draft and it resulted in conversations on summaries.
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130/
JS: I put summaries in for now so
we can see what they are like.
... Summaries list discussion about summaries.
That was summarizes.
JS: Should we publish with
summary or take it out?
... Or should we come to an agreement to call them something
else or otherwise chane the name and publish.
JA: I like summary. That's what
they seem like to me.
... My only issue is that we don't have a summary for all of
them?
<jeanne> RIM, Research in Motion - Blackberry
<JAllan> He is from RIM
<John> thank you
Correct spelling of your name John, last name that is?
<John> John S Lee from Research in Motion, I'm a technical advisor with the standards group
Group introduces themselves.
<JAllan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130/
Group returns to discussion about summary.
<JAllan> +1
GL I think they are summaries.
Kim and Simon agree.
+1 here and say we can change later.
JS: What else do we want to have
in the status.
... In this document the changes seem subtle.
KF: Didn't we add more implementation?
JS: Yes and that will go in that doc's status.
GL: We did renumbering, level changes and such.
JS: Last time we published was July. What are the big changes?
Group talks about focus as being rewritten?
JS: Reads earlier status and questions.
JA: Group has not received a lot
of feedback.
... Let's use some of our earlier questions.
GL: Talks about change from provide an option.
<jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2010Jul/0000.html
JS: We have a request from education and outreach on some editorial items plus short handles for items.
<jeanne> # UAAG 2.0 Guidelines
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 1: Perceivable
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.1: Alternative content
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.2: Missing content
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.3: Highlighting
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.4: Text configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.5: Volume configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.6: Synthesized speech configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.7: Style sheets configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.8: Viewports
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.9: Focus
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.10: Source views
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.11: Links
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 2. Operable
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.1: Keyboard access
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.2: Event handlers
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.3: Time-independence
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.4: Flashing
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.5: Preference settings
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.6: Search.
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.7: Structured navigation.
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.8: Toolbar configuration.
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.9: Media
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 3: Understandable
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.1: Unnecessary messages.
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.2: Mistakes.
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.3: Documentation
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.4: Predictable
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 4. Programmatic access
<jeanne> o Guideline 4.1: Programmatic access
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 5. Specifications and conventions
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.1: Desktop apps
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.2: Web & web apps
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.3: Accessibility features
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.4: Follow specifications
<jeanne> Existing ToC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130/#toc
Group talks about having short handles for items.
GL: In general I think this is a good way to go.
Group is generally in favor of short handles presented by JS.
<JAllan> kf: we have made progress. did more writing. have actions open.
<JAllan> ... what are thoughts to get to last call...more writing meeting, small group writing, etc.
<JAllan> ...how to close things down better.
<JAllan> js: thinks we are very close.
<JAllan> Simon had suggested making the call 2 hours long
<JAllan> kf: get aggressive about getting right with action items and commitments through Dec.
<JAllan> ...then start locking down in Jan.
<JAllan> kp: had groups of 2 to get things done by end Dec.
<JAllan> ... is there a prize...motivator
<JAllan> ...concentrate on F2F items and open action items.
<JAllan> kf: for SC we had groups.
<JAllan> KF and JS had largest group
<JAllan> js is out next week (rest well)
Group now talking about editor's notes?
JA: First one is on virtual worlds.
<sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101117/
<JAllan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130
<JAllan> KF: don't include. adds nothing.
<JAllan> js: SecondLife considers itself a UA. They asked us to include GL to help them.
<JAllan> GL: reader hits something confusing in the second sentence.
<JAllan> kf: if we don't talk about it now, how and when.
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to write a summary of issues on including Virtual Worlds into the document to discuss at the 16 December. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-470 - Write a summary of issues on including Virtual Worlds into the document to discuss at the 16 December. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-12-09].
Much disucssion about process.
Now talking about important elements.
S/disucssioN/DISCUSSION
<jeanne> ATAG Prominence definition -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2010/ED-ATAG20-20101028/#def-Prominence
GL: We are asking for something pretty major here. Probably need to write up a more robust recommendation.
Group talks further about where this term is used in the document.
<scribe> chair: jim
<scribe> Chair: Jim_allan
<scribe> ACTION: MH to provide definition of time based media content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-471 - Provide definition of time based media content [on Markku Hakkinen - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: jallan to define important elements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-472 - Define important elements [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: jallan to move editors notes 2.9.12 to implementing document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-473 - Move editors notes 2.9.12 to implementing document [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<scribe> ACTION: kford to figure out SC around editor's note on 3.1. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kford
<scribe> ACTION: kf to figure out SC on editor's note around 3.1. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kf
<scribe> ACTION: JA to figure out SC around editor's note in 3.1 (belongs to kford). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-474 - Figure out SC around editor's note in 3.1 (belongs to kford). [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: simon to create definition of 'benefit accessibility' or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - simon
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. sharper, spieters)
<JAllan> ACTION: sharper to create definition of 'benefit accessibility' or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-475 - Create definition of 'benefit accessibility' or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [on Simon Harper - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: jallan to review EN on GL3.4 security...why, do we need it? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-476 - Review EN on GL3.4 security...why, do we need it? [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: JS to remove editors note on 5.1 define 'non-web-based' [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-477 - Remove editors note on 5.1 define 'non-web-based' [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> glossary editor notes. leave in for word not in document, but in glossary.
<JAllan> ACTION: JS to move editors note on 'Profile', change wording to - Platform-independent profiles are useful for those who use the same user agent on different devices. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-478 - Move editors note on 'Profile', change wording to - Platform-independent profiles are useful for those who use the same user agent on different devices. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-12-09].
<Greg> I'll make a pass over the document trying to replace occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings") with something clearer.
<Greg> ACTION: Greg to make a pass over the document trying to replace occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings") with something clearer. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action13]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-479 - Make a pass over the document trying to replace occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings") with something clearer. [on Greg Lowney - due 2010-12-09].
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