15:12:46 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 15:12:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-irc 15:12:56 rrsagent, make logs public 15:13:05 rrsagent, make log world 15:13:14 Scribe: Andi 15:13:22 Meeting: AAPI 15:13:32 Chair: Cynthia 15:14:27 +[Mozilla] 15:14:37 Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter 15:14:37 +David_Bolter; got it 15:15:07 topic: bug 9656 15:15:20 David filed a bug on Firefox to possible change behavior 15:15:30 DB: curious what IE does with this 15:16:24 CS: think IE does use elements with role="presentation" that are referenced by aria-labeledby in the name calculation 15:16:39 topic: bug 10288 15:16:46 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10288 15:17:15 DB: FF doesn't do anything for thead, tbody, tfooter because there is nothing on the desktop side to map it to 15:17:23 DB: rowgroup is similar to tbody 15:18:06 DB: if there is a need to do it, we can. Significant engineering effort. Need clearer direction with what to do with rowgroup 15:18:35 AS: what is the history of how this got added to WAI-ARIA? 15:18:54 DB: may have come from SAP for things like treegrids? 15:19:46 action: David to e-mail Rich to understand the driver for this role 15:21:30 topic: bug 7128 15:21:36 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7128 15:22:31 topic: bug 9656 15:22:57 action: Cynthia to investigate IE behavior when aria-labeledby points to an element with role="presentation" (bug 9656) 15:23:23 topic: bug 7128 15:24:27 DB: AT tries to set focus to active descendent 15:24:59 DB: FF tries to set focus to container that has aria-activedescendent 15:25:21 DB: if the container is not focusable, it's an author error 15:27:22 topic: action 166 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/166 15:35:29 action: Andi to add to alert and alertdialog in the mapping table: "User agents MAY cause a system alert notification" 15:37:39 topic: Action 248 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/248 15:38:06 defer: this is for ARIA 2.0 15:38:50 topic: action 442 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/442 15:39:00 CS: think this is overcome by events 15:42:06 topic: action 443 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/443 15:42:13 same as 442 but for FF 15:42:20 close both 442 and 443 as OBDE 15:42:27 s/OBDE/OBE/ 15:42:42 topic: action 493 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/493 15:42:58 change due date to December 10th 15:44:14 topic: action 494 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/494 15:44:21 change due date to December 10th 15:46:09 topic: action 503 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/503 15:46:24 AS: sounds like a big work item. this is a good topic to ask for help on 15:48:43 topic: action 562 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/562 15:48:49 change due date to December 17th 15:49:04 action: Andi to follow up with Apple for API mapping for aria-dropeffect 15:50:24 topic: action 632 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/632 15:50:34 assign to Andi and change due date to December 2nd 15:51:15 topic: action 666 15:51:37 DB: confirm that Firefox is the only one with differing behavior 15:51:51 CS: think this is right. IE tends not to take things out of the tree 15:53:00 DB: some DHTML libraries are using aria-hidden for dialogs to restrict AT ability to do something 15:53:12 CS: think modal dialog proposal in HTML 5 is a much better way to handle 15:53:25 DB: problem on desktop too? 15:53:38 CS: less of a problem on the desktop because the dialog is really a separate window 15:53:52 CS: seems like this would be better to handle in the AT 15:54:21 action: Cynthia to find out what IE plans to do with aria-hidden. Does it take it out of the tree? 15:57:15 topic: action 667 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/667 15:57:28 same as 166 and 632 but says the UA MUST issue an alert 15:57:42 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 15:57:48 AS: this action is the result of closing comment 325 so we have to make it a must 15:58:19 -Cynthia_Shelly 16:03:10 rrsagent, make minutes 16:03:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html Andi 16:03:56 s/possible change behavior/possibly change behavior/ 16:05:01 disconnecting the lone participant, David_Bolter, in WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM 16:05:04 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended 16:05:06 Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter 16:13:35 rrsagent, make minutes 16:13:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html Andi 16:43:44 zakim, bye 16:43:44 Zakim has left #aapi 16:43:46 rrsagent, bye 16:43:46 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-actions.rdf : 16:43:46 ACTION: David to e-mail Rich to understand the driver for this role [1] 16:43:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-irc#T15-19-46 16:43:46 ACTION: Cynthia to investigate IE behavior when aria-labeledby points to an element with role="presentation" (bug 9656) [2] 16:43:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-irc#T15-22-57 16:43:46 ACTION: Andi to add to alert and alertdialog in the mapping table: "User agents MAY cause a system alert notification" [3] 16:43:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-irc#T15-35-29 16:43:46 ACTION: Andi to follow up with Apple for API mapping for aria-dropeffect [4] 16:43:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-irc#T15-49-04 16:43:46 ACTION: Cynthia to find out what IE plans to do with aria-hidden. Does it take it out of the tree? [5] 16:43:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-irc#T15-54-21