IRC log of html-a11y on 2010-10-27

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21:58:46 [janina]
zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
21:58:46 [Zakim]
ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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zakim, call janina
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ok, janina; the call is being made
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WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM has now started
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+Janina
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+Sean_Hayes
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+silvia
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Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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Chair: Janina_Sajka
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agenda: this
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agenda+ Identify Scribe
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agenda+ Actions Review
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agenda+ Status Updates & Brief Reports; User Reqs; Spec Text Modifications;
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agenda+ Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies
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agenda+ WCAG Mapping
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agenda+ Must/Should/May Categorizations
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agenda+ Handling Multiple Tracks
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agenda+ Candidate Formats Review Preparation: WebSRT; TTML; Others?
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agenda+ Other Business?
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agenda+ next meeting
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agenda+ be done
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+Judy
22:03:34 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia, Judy
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, MikeSmith, silvia, sideshow, trackbot
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+John_Foliot
22:04:25 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
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22:05:10 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
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+[Microsoft]
22:06:05 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
22:06:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia (muted), Judy, John_Foliot, [Microsoft]
22:06:08 [Zakim]
On IRC I see JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, MikeSmith, silvia, sideshow, trackbot
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zakim, microsoft is Frank_Olivier
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+Frank_Olivier; got it
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scribe: John
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scribe: John_Foliot
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scribe: JF
22:08:07 [janina]
rrsagent, make minutes public
22:08:07 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', janina. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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scribe: jf
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Actions Review" taken up [from janina]
22:09:23 [JF]
seems we have no more open action items effective today
22:10:12 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:10:20 [JF]
although this might be due to problems with the W3C systems
22:10:41 [JF]
systems tech guys have been dealing with larger system wide issues
22:11:11 [JF]
Silvia: this might not be affecting us, thinks we are actually in good shape
22:11:15 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
22:11:29 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Status Updates & Brief Reports; User Reqs; Spec Text Modifications;" taken up [from janina]
22:11:32 [JF]
Janina: reminder about W3C fishing attemps of late
22:13:03 [JF]
Judy: have checked the most recent TR draft, and that none of the language we were concerned about is included
22:13:53 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:14:03 [JF]
we will be using bugzilla to get the text cleaned up
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to remove references to WebSRT from the Editor's Draft
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-Sean_Hayes
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Silvia: happy with the framework, but we need to remove references to WebSRT
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Judy: think it would be good to move quickly to get bugs filed
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+Sean_Hayes
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propose language thta would replace existing text with neutral language
22:16:04 [JF]
did we resolve who would be filing actual bugs last week? (seems no)
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Judy will then seek to have those bugs acted upon quickly
22:16:51 [JF]
Silvia: Efic was going to try and approach hixie about removing the text himself and make it more neutral
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Not sure if hixie would be open to that
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s/Efic/Eric
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Sean: prepared to work on this, but unsure on how to proceed
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Judy: would be good if we could offer proposed text
22:18:40 [JF]
Silvia: I would go through the draft, find mentions of WebSRT, and see if it can be reformulated/rewritten with more neutral language
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submit those proposals to the mailing list, and then submit as proposed changes
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Issue with no existing W3c Editor's Draft
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Sean: I can work on this perhaps next Monday
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Judy looking to see if we can access a W3C Editor Draft
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Janina: agree that we should work this via the list
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mindful that some will be at TPAC, but likely most will not.
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Judy: won't be available next week
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(...at least at the regular time)
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Janina: there might be some 'unconference' meeting @ TPAC
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Janina: probably will be able to avail teleconference connectivity
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watch IRC and lists Thrusday and Friday
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Silvia: if the times can be posted, we could join in then
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Janina: so we won't have a call next week, but rather try and work around TPAC scheduling
22:24:30 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies" taken up [from janina]
22:24:31 [JF]
meanwhile Sean can start on proposed edits and we can discuss via email list
22:24:37 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
22:24:49 [janina]
zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies, closed
22:24:50 [JF]
Janina: this is kind of a meta-topic
22:24:51 [Zakim]
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:24:53 [janina]
zakim, next item
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5. WCAG Mapping [from janina]
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agendum 5. "WCAG Mapping" taken up [from janina]
22:25:36 [JF]
Janina: have the mappings against WCAG complete?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "Must/Should/May Categorizations" taken up [from janina]
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JF - believes both WCAG and UAAG mappings are complete
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Janina: finished with her pass - essentially comfortable that we have it right
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JF: did janina make any changes?
22:27:18 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:27:23 [JF]
Janina: silvia made them for Janina
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Silvia: most of them, but not everything
22:27:58 [JF]
there is a bit of issue on a few points, and we can keep the list fairly dynamic and flexible
22:28:08 [JF]
however generally quite happy with the technical mappings
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-Judy
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only technologies that have cue format need to be checked when evaluating time-text formats
22:30:02 [janina]
q?
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Silvia now considering whether to make a separate document for WebSRT or adding a new column on the existing TTML evaluation page
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-Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes
22:31:36 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
22:32:12 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:33:43 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
22:35:28 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:36:13 [JF]
Silvia: if WG decides that this is an "official" W3C requirements what happens to it after that
22:36:31 [frankolivier]
q+
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Frank: do we have a plan for prioritization of requirements?
22:37:39 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
22:37:49 [JF]
Janina: this matrix was supposed to be able to help us get towards this type of clarrity
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+Judy
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Frank: concerned that some of these things will take a longer time to figure out
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Frank: one of MS goals is to allow 3rd parties to extend the browser by installing additions
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Frank: would love to see a list of core rquirements
22:51:08 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:55:10 [JF]
Silvia: 2 things that need to be done (for multi-track issue)
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how do we associate secondary files to the main file's timeline
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(needs HTML markup)
22:56:01 [JF]
we also need to define a JavaScript API to handle this scenario as well
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however it should be fairly simple, as it will be based on the existing JS API we have
22:56:57 [JF]
it just needs to define what type of language formats, and how to turn on and off
22:58:53 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
23:00:06 [janina]
q?
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Judy: concerned about assuming that some things can't get into HTML5
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this becomes a tricky discussion.
23:01:27 [janina]
q?
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ack f
23:03:11 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
23:07:41 [JF]
Silvia: once multi-track sync is figured out, the next big challenge will likely be navigation by hierarchy
23:07:54 [janina]
q?
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suspect that this will take a number of years to achieve
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Judy: there is a commitment from the W3c to ensure that accessibility is included in the HTML5 and done right
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Silvia: just want to be realistic that between 0% and 100% there is multiple points
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Janina: wants to point out that the hierarchical navigation is critical, and will need to be addressed
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0520.html
23:14:41 [JF]
Silvia: would like to see us start engaging on the multi-track piece that she started the discussion on last week.
23:19:06 [silvia]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Sub-Group#Bugs
23:21:43 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
23:22:10 [JF]
JF to also go through bugzilla and ensure that all bugs are bing watch by us that affect us
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s/bing/being
23:23:16 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
23:23:18 [JF]
Janina: recap - Sean and Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft
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Action: Sean and Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft
23:23:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-67 - And Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft [on Sean Hayes - due 2010-11-03].
23:24:30 [JF]
Action: John to ensure all relevant bugs are added to the wiki
23:24:30 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-68 - Ensure all relevant bugs are added to the wiki [on John Foliot - due 2010-11-03].
23:24:50 [JF]
Action: Silvia to work up checklist table for WebSRT
23:24:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-69 - Work up checklist table for WebSRT [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-11-03].
23:25:54 [JF]
Janina: thanks everyone. we are making very good progress
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-silvia
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-Judy
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-Sean_Hayes
23:26:28 [JF]
zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia, Judy, John_Foliot, Frank_Olivier
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-minutes.html JF
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