IRC log of html-a11y on 2010-10-27
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-irc
- 21:58:46 [janina]
- zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
- 21:58:46 [Zakim]
- ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- zakim, call janina
- 21:58:52 [Zakim]
- ok, janina; the call is being made
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- WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM has now started
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- +Janina
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- +Sean_Hayes
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- +silvia
- 22:01:40 [janina]
- Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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- Chair: Janina_Sajka
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- agenda: this
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- agenda+ Identify Scribe
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- agenda+ Actions Review
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- agenda+ Status Updates & Brief Reports; User Reqs; Spec Text Modifications;
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- agenda+ Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies
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- agenda+ WCAG Mapping
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- agenda+ Must/Should/May Categorizations
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- agenda+ Handling Multiple Tracks
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- agenda+ Candidate Formats Review Preparation: WebSRT; TTML; Others?
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- agenda+ Other Business?
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- agenda+ next meeting
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- agenda+ be done
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- +Judy
- 22:03:34 [janina]
- zakim, who's here?
- 22:03:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia, Judy
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, MikeSmith, silvia, sideshow, trackbot
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- +John_Foliot
- 22:04:25 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
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- 22:05:10 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
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- +[Microsoft]
- 22:06:05 [janina]
- zakim, who's here?
- 22:06:05 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia (muted), Judy, John_Foliot, [Microsoft]
- 22:06:08 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, MikeSmith, silvia, sideshow, trackbot
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- zakim, microsoft is Frank_Olivier
- 22:06:38 [Zakim]
- +Frank_Olivier; got it
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- 22:07:21 [janina]
- scribe: John
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- scribe: John_Foliot
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- scribe: JF
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- rrsagent, make minutes public
- 22:08:07 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', janina. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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- scribe: jf
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Actions Review" taken up [from janina]
- 22:09:23 [JF]
- seems we have no more open action items effective today
- 22:10:12 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 22:10:20 [JF]
- although this might be due to problems with the W3C systems
- 22:10:41 [JF]
- systems tech guys have been dealing with larger system wide issues
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- Silvia: this might not be affecting us, thinks we are actually in good shape
- 22:11:15 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 22:11:29 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 22:11:29 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Status Updates & Brief Reports; User Reqs; Spec Text Modifications;" taken up [from janina]
- 22:11:32 [JF]
- Janina: reminder about W3C fishing attemps of late
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- Judy: have checked the most recent TR draft, and that none of the language we were concerned about is included
- 22:13:53 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 22:14:03 [JF]
- we will be using bugzilla to get the text cleaned up
- 22:14:16 [JF]
- to remove references to WebSRT from the Editor's Draft
- 22:14:26 [Zakim]
- -Sean_Hayes
- 22:14:42 [JF]
- Silvia: happy with the framework, but we need to remove references to WebSRT
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- Judy: think it would be good to move quickly to get bugs filed
- 22:15:13 [Zakim]
- +Sean_Hayes
- 22:15:31 [JF]
- propose language thta would replace existing text with neutral language
- 22:16:04 [JF]
- did we resolve who would be filing actual bugs last week? (seems no)
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- Judy will then seek to have those bugs acted upon quickly
- 22:16:51 [JF]
- Silvia: Efic was going to try and approach hixie about removing the text himself and make it more neutral
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- Not sure if hixie would be open to that
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- s/Efic/Eric
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- Sean: prepared to work on this, but unsure on how to proceed
- 22:17:59 [JF]
- Judy: would be good if we could offer proposed text
- 22:18:40 [JF]
- Silvia: I would go through the draft, find mentions of WebSRT, and see if it can be reformulated/rewritten with more neutral language
- 22:19:35 [JF]
- submit those proposals to the mailing list, and then submit as proposed changes
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- Issue with no existing W3c Editor's Draft
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- Sean: I can work on this perhaps next Monday
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- Judy looking to see if we can access a W3C Editor Draft
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- Janina: agree that we should work this via the list
- 22:21:33 [JF]
- mindful that some will be at TPAC, but likely most will not.
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- Judy: won't be available next week
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- (...at least at the regular time)
- 22:22:15 [JF]
- Janina: there might be some 'unconference' meeting @ TPAC
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- Janina: probably will be able to avail teleconference connectivity
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- watch IRC and lists Thrusday and Friday
- 22:23:31 [JF]
- Silvia: if the times can be posted, we could join in then
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- Janina: so we won't have a call next week, but rather try and work around TPAC scheduling
- 22:24:30 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 22:24:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies" taken up [from janina]
- 22:24:31 [JF]
- meanwhile Sean can start on proposed edits and we can discuss via email list
- 22:24:37 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 22:24:49 [janina]
- zakim, close item 4
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- agendum 4, Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies, closed
- 22:24:50 [JF]
- Janina: this is kind of a meta-topic
- 22:24:51 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 22:24:53 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- 5. WCAG Mapping [from janina]
- 22:24:54 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "WCAG Mapping" taken up [from janina]
- 22:25:36 [JF]
- Janina: have the mappings against WCAG complete?
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Must/Should/May Categorizations" taken up [from janina]
- 22:26:04 [JF]
- JF - believes both WCAG and UAAG mappings are complete
- 22:26:35 [JF]
- Janina: finished with her pass - essentially comfortable that we have it right
- 22:27:11 [JF]
- JF: did janina make any changes?
- 22:27:18 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 22:27:23 [JF]
- Janina: silvia made them for Janina
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- Silvia: most of them, but not everything
- 22:27:58 [JF]
- there is a bit of issue on a few points, and we can keep the list fairly dynamic and flexible
- 22:28:08 [JF]
- however generally quite happy with the technical mappings
- 22:28:38 [Zakim]
- -Judy
- 22:28:49 [JF]
- only technologies that have cue format need to be checked when evaluating time-text formats
- 22:30:02 [janina]
- q?
- 22:30:03 [JF]
- Silvia now considering whether to make a separate document for WebSRT or adding a new column on the existing TTML evaluation page
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- +Sean_Hayes
- 22:31:36 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 22:32:12 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 22:33:43 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 22:35:28 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 22:36:13 [JF]
- Silvia: if WG decides that this is an "official" W3C requirements what happens to it after that
- 22:36:31 [frankolivier]
- q+
- 22:37:31 [JF]
- Frank: do we have a plan for prioritization of requirements?
- 22:37:39 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 22:37:49 [JF]
- Janina: this matrix was supposed to be able to help us get towards this type of clarrity
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- +Judy
- 22:40:43 [JF]
- Frank: concerned that some of these things will take a longer time to figure out
- 22:43:45 [JF]
- Frank: one of MS goals is to allow 3rd parties to extend the browser by installing additions
- 22:47:19 [JF]
- Frank: would love to see a list of core rquirements
- 22:51:08 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 22:55:10 [JF]
- Silvia: 2 things that need to be done (for multi-track issue)
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- how do we associate secondary files to the main file's timeline
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- (needs HTML markup)
- 22:56:01 [JF]
- we also need to define a JavaScript API to handle this scenario as well
- 22:56:29 [JF]
- however it should be fairly simple, as it will be based on the existing JS API we have
- 22:56:57 [JF]
- it just needs to define what type of language formats, and how to turn on and off
- 22:58:53 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 23:00:06 [janina]
- q?
- 23:00:26 [JF]
- Judy: concerned about assuming that some things can't get into HTML5
- 23:00:38 [JF]
- this becomes a tricky discussion.
- 23:01:27 [janina]
- q?
- 23:01:33 [janina]
- ack f
- 23:03:11 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 23:07:41 [JF]
- Silvia: once multi-track sync is figured out, the next big challenge will likely be navigation by hierarchy
- 23:07:54 [janina]
- q?
- 23:07:59 [JF]
- suspect that this will take a number of years to achieve
- 23:08:34 [JF]
- Judy: there is a commitment from the W3c to ensure that accessibility is included in the HTML5 and done right
- 23:09:36 [JF]
- Silvia: just want to be realistic that between 0% and 100% there is multiple points
- 23:11:17 [JF]
- Janina: wants to point out that the hierarchical navigation is critical, and will need to be addressed
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- 23:14:37 [janina]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0520.html
- 23:14:41 [JF]
- Silvia: would like to see us start engaging on the multi-track piece that she started the discussion on last week.
- 23:19:06 [silvia]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Sub-Group#Bugs
- 23:21:43 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- silvia should now be muted
- 23:22:10 [JF]
- JF to also go through bugzilla and ensure that all bugs are bing watch by us that affect us
- 23:22:22 [JF]
- s/bing/being
- 23:23:16 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- silvia should no longer be muted
- 23:23:18 [JF]
- Janina: recap - Sean and Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft
- 23:23:50 [JF]
- Action: Sean and Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft
- 23:23:50 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-67 - And Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft [on Sean Hayes - due 2010-11-03].
- 23:24:30 [JF]
- Action: John to ensure all relevant bugs are added to the wiki
- 23:24:30 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-68 - Ensure all relevant bugs are added to the wiki [on John Foliot - due 2010-11-03].
- 23:24:50 [JF]
- Action: Silvia to work up checklist table for WebSRT
- 23:24:50 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-69 - Work up checklist table for WebSRT [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-11-03].
- 23:25:54 [JF]
- Janina: thanks everyone. we are making very good progress
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- -silvia
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- -Judy
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- -Sean_Hayes
- 23:26:28 [JF]
- zakim, bye
- 23:26:28 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia, Judy, John_Foliot, Frank_Olivier
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-minutes.html JF
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