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15:47:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
15:47:26 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:47:26 <trackbot> Date: 19 October 2010
15:47:31 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Oct/0048.html
15:47:37 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
15:56:18 <mhausenblas> scribenick: hhalpin 
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15:57:34 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP 
15:57:34 <Zakim> I am sorry, ericP; I do not know a number for ericP
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15:57:39 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:57:39 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:57:40 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
15:57:41 <Zakim> +EricP
15:58:05 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
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15:58:21 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:58:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:58:29 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 
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15:59:27 <juansequeda> zakim, aa is me
15:59:27 <Zakim> sorry, juansequeda, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
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15:59:33 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is juansequeda 
15:59:33 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
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15:59:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
15:59:39 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
15:59:40 <Zakim> +Alexandre
15:59:51 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who'd here?
15:59:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.
15:59:55 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
15:59:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, mhausenblas, juansequeda, PatH, Alexandre
15:59:56 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
15:59:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, boris, PatH, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, juansequeda, hhalpin, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
16:00:32 <Zakim> +??P12
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16:00:40 <hhalpin> Zakim, ??P12 is hhalpin
16:00:40 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
16:00:49 <hhalpin> Zakim, mute me
16:00:49 <Zakim> hhalpin should now be muted
16:01:13 <boris> I'm having problems with the passcode
16:01:23 <hhalpin> Zakim, what's the code?
16:01:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), hhalpin
16:01:24 <ericP> dialing from skype?
16:01:35 <hhalpin> Make sure you are typing it in correctly, but it does work via Skype.
16:01:36 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
16:01:43 <hhalpin> (at least on linux skype debian)
16:01:46 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
16:01:46 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
16:01:51 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:01:51 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:01:54 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:01:54 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:02:05 <juansequeda> Zakim, mute me
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16:02:50 <betehess> Zakim, mute Alexandre
16:02:50 <Zakim> Alexandre should now be muted
16:02:57 <Zakim> +nunolopes
16:03:56 <nunolopes> Zakim, mute me
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16:04:06 <hhalpin> topic: Admin
16:04:18 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:04:31 <Zakim> +Souri
16:04:48 <juansequeda> +1
16:04:55 <hhalpin> RESOLVED: Accepted the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:05:00 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/open
16:05:18 <Seema> dialing in right now
16:05:27 <mhausenblas> ACTION-63?
16:05:27 <trackbot> ACTION-63 -- Michael Hausenblas to incorporate Orri's input re datatypes into UCR doc -- due 2010-10-22 -- OPEN
16:05:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/63
16:05:36 <mhausenblas> ACTION-69?
16:05:36 <trackbot> ACTION-69 -- Daniel Daniel Miranker to work on UC&R on OLAP application -- due 2010-10-22 -- OPEN
16:05:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/69
16:05:45 <juansequeda> Zakim, unmute me
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16:06:00 <hhalpin> Zakim, unmute me
16:06:00 <Zakim> hhalpin should no longer be muted
16:06:26 <juansequeda> Zakim, mute me
16:06:26 <Zakim> juansequeda should now be muted
16:06:31 <hhalpin> Dan should have is Invited Expert Status, I forwarded his e-mail to Team IE process.
16:06:38 <hhalpin> Zakim, mute me
16:06:38 <Zakim> hhalpin should now be muted
16:06:49 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: will go after those two use-cases
16:06:52 <hhalpin> topic: R2ML mapping
16:06:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:55 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
16:07:10 <Seema> latest version is at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/Overview.html
16:07:12 <mhausenblas> Zakim, IPcaller is soeren 
16:07:12 <Zakim> +soeren; got it
16:07:18 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:07:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, mhausenblas, juansequeda (muted), PatH, Alexandre (muted), hhalpin (muted), MacTed (muted), nunolopes (muted), Souri, Seema, soeren
16:07:21 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
16:07:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see soeren, Souri, Seema, nunolopes, cygri, boris, PatH, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, juansequeda, hhalpin, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
16:07:41 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: update?
16:07:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:07:47 <hhalpin> cygri: I did quite a bit of work on section 1
16:07:59 <hhalpin> ... the announcement was sent out over e-mail.
16:08:26 <hhalpin> ... tried to explain how the entire thing works, then goes into detail about how Turtle is being used.
16:08:45 <Seema> latest version od the document should be 1.17
16:08:49 <hhalpin> ... and looking at the overall execution environment
16:09:02 <hhalpin> Souri: I worked more on the examples that we have
16:09:14 <hhalpin> ... tried to make it clearer in terms of properties
16:09:23 <hhalpin> ... using in-line examples, from full example in appendix
16:09:31 <hhalpin> ... so they make sense as people are reading
16:09:52 <hhalpin> Seema: we reworded things
16:10:24 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: it seems to address all the issues
16:11:52 <hhalpin> cygri: what is critical obstacle for putting this out to the public?
16:12:04 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: I'm happy to propose to put this out as first public working draft
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16:12:37 <hhalpin> ... you would need concrete suggestion to text change if you disagree
16:12:45 <hhalpin> PatH: the version I'm looking for it
16:12:49 <Zakim> +Marcelo
16:12:57 <hhalpin> Zakim, unmute me
16:12:57 <Zakim> hhalpin should no longer be muted
16:13:11 <Marcelo> Sorry I am late again (I am teaching until 16:00 UTC)
16:13:50 <hhalpin> hhalpin: that is why can put the issues up
16:13:58 <hhalpin> soeren: PatH's points in previous e-mail
16:15:15 <hhalpin> hhalpin: the two points was the confusion over 2 uses of turtle
16:15:56 <hhalpin> PatH: this document is the mapping, doesn't tell you.
16:16:38 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:16:38 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:17:11 <Souri> we have put some comments regarding the mapping in: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#R2rmlOverview
16:18:02 <juansequeda> Zakim, unmute me
16:18:02 <Zakim> juansequeda should no longer be muted
16:18:25 <hhalpin> PatH: the Turtle defines a class of mapping, needs to tell you more about the kinds of mapping
16:18:52 <hhalpin> ericP: would it possible for an examples in the Turtle language and generated RDF help?
16:19:16 <hhalpin> ... would that put the reader on the mapping
16:19:24 <Souri> @@ Proposed text from the call: “A row in a relational table has <a row identifier> and a number of <column-name, value> pairs. Such a row may be translated to RDF as follows: subject := MAP(<row identifier>) and <predicate, object> := <MAP(column-name), MAP(value)>, for each <column-name, value> pair. An RDF triple is generated by combining the above as follows: <subject, predicate, object>.”
16:19:29 <hhalpin> MacTed: The R2ML doc is in context of some other documentation
16:19:34 <soeren> +q
16:19:45 <hhalpin> ... in primary, the use-case document
16:19:57 <mhausenblas> ack soeren 
16:20:16 <hhalpin> soeren: how does this relate to the semantics of the mapping
16:20:29 <hhalpin> q+
16:20:34 <hhalpin> ... ideally we could define the mapping between SPARQL and SQL relational algebra
16:20:51 <hhalpin> ... I drafted this small test document
16:21:00 <hhalpin> ... where I have a very simple definition of this mapping
16:21:02 <betehess> q+ to ask if someone can define what is "semantics" here? where are not defining an algebra, only a mapping
16:21:09 <Souri> q+
16:21:15 <hhalpin> ... but it may be difficult to align with the current mapping
16:21:16 <mhausenblas> q?
16:21:37 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
16:21:39 <hhalpin> PatH: Explain to the reader what is being talked about in this document
16:22:36 <soeren> +q
16:23:42 <juansequeda> +1 to hhalpin
16:23:51 <MacTed> q+ to talk about setting context within the doc... each must refer to the others that are key/important to its understanding
16:23:52 <mhausenblas> +1 as well
16:23:57 <betehess> Zakim, unmute Alexandre
16:23:57 <Zakim> Alexandre should no longer be muted
16:24:04 <mhausenblas> ack betehess
16:24:04 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to ask if someone can define what is "semantics" here? where are not defining an algebra, only a mapping
16:24:32 <juansequeda> hhalpin: the R2RML document is for database admin who are going to write the mapping language. 
16:24:39 <mhausenblas> q?
16:24:42 <hhalpin> hhalpin: let's not define too much in a single document
16:24:46 <hhalpin> q+
16:24:53 <hhalpin> BetHess: there is no semantics as function from input to output
16:25:11 <hhalpin> Marcelo: we are trying to define the syntax and semantics of the mapping
16:25:17 <Marcelo> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Semantics_of_R2RML
16:25:41 <mhausenblas> q?
16:25:46 <Marcelo> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Database-Instance-Only_and_Database-Instances-and-Schema_Mapping
16:26:12 <hhalpin> BetHess: I don't see the goal, another document about semantics, another document about syntax
16:26:16 <mhausenblas> q?
16:26:20 <Marcelo> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directGraph/
16:26:23 <hhalpin> BetHess: I see no relation with current document
16:26:24 <hhalpin> Marcelo: This is what we are trying to do
16:27:00 <hhalpin> ... so we have several proposals
16:27:04 <hhalpin> ... the right way to define semantics of mapping
16:27:21 <hhalpin> BetHess: I see a semantics from Datalog
16:27:40 <hhalpin> Marcelo: This is a proposal, but we haven't made a formal decision
16:27:47 <mhausenblas> q?
16:27:48 <hhalpin> ... but it's just one alternative
16:27:52 <cygri> q+
16:28:19 <hhalpin> Marcelo: Datalog gives us a precise semantics, and EricP...
16:28:28 <hhalpin> Juan: Datalog is equivlaent to SPARQL, SQL, and RIF, so it's fine
16:28:51 <hhalpin> BetHess: Only if you accept your output is URI or a blank node
16:30:44 <Marcelo> +q
16:30:56 <Souri> just for quick reference, let me put the preliminary proposed text (from Sec 2) for informally explaining the input and output for the mapping
16:31:10 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
16:31:31 <Souri> @@ Proposed text from the call: “A row in a relational table has <a row identifier> and a number of <column-name, value> pairs. Such a row may be translated to RDF as follows: subject := MAP(<row identifier>) and <predicate, object> := <MAP(column-name), MAP(value)>, for each <column-name, value> pair. An RDF triple is generated by combining the above as follows: <subject, predicate, object>.”
16:31:51 <hhalpin> Souri: we proposed how to do this informally, and then we are describing with a row how to get a bunch of triples out of it.
16:31:51 <mhausenblas> Michael: I totally agree with hhalpin summary. let's define input/output on the syntax and then focus on finding the 'fitting' model/semantics
16:31:57 <betehess> please, can you show me how people define mappings from one model to another one? no mention of semantics is required in the answer
16:32:12 <mhausenblas> q?
16:32:28 <mhausenblas> ack soeren
16:33:29 <betehess> hhalpin, give me an example
16:33:55 <mhausenblas> q?
16:34:06 <betehess> [ hhalpin: you create a model that can be proven to express everything in the two models you want to map, and then you use that first model to express the mapping language ]
16:34:06 <hhalpin> soeren: I think we should have the R2ML be purely for implementers of the mapping languge
16:34:12 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
16:34:12 <Zakim> MacTed, you wanted to talk about setting context within the doc... each must refer to the others that are key/important to its understanding
16:34:16 <hhalpin> ... and that database admins will not read the R2ML language
16:34:49 <hhalpin> MacTed: We can describe what you can say with this kind of langugae without actually saying it
16:35:06 <juansequeda> betehess: Consider the schema: student(s_id, name)
16:35:06 <hhalpin> ... this R2ML definition language, absolutely and unequivocally relies of comprehension and context of other documents
16:35:14 <hhalpin> ... we have to either restate those documents
16:35:18 <juansequeda> and consider instance student(1, Bob)
16:35:20 <hhalpin> ... we have to point to the other documents.
16:35:23 <mhausenblas> q?
16:35:30 <juansequeda> This is the mapping: Triple(s, p, y) ← student(x, y), generateTupleURI("student", x, s), generateAttributeURI("student", "name", p) 
16:35:39 <PatH> +1 to whoever is speaking right now.
16:35:42 <juansequeda> This is the output: Triple(http://www.example.com/DB/student/1#, http://www.example.com/DB/student/name#, "Bob")
16:35:43 <hhalpin> ... r2rl follows after the default mapping in a conceptual way
16:35:54 <PatH> tnx
16:36:03 <betehess> juansequeda, I want an example in real life, where people defined a mapping between 2 different models (HINT: it's call "compilation")
16:36:11 <betehess> +1 PatH 
16:36:44 <juansequeda> betehess, I just gave you an example of mapping from relations to triples
16:36:48 <hhalpin> hhalpin: so to clarify to BetHess,  if you can show datamodel A can be expressed in datamodel C, and so can datamodel B, then you use datamodel C. Maybe Google "Abstraction Theorem"
16:37:15 <hhalpin> MacTed: it's a related specification
16:37:19 <mhausenblas> q?
16:37:26 <hhalpin> ... we need to make sure it says it relies on the mapping document
16:37:37 <hhalpin> ericP: people should read the previous document first.
16:37:45 <betehess> juansequeda, a triple is not a relation, here it is http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-concepts-20040210/#section-Graph-syntax
16:38:13 <mhausenblas> q?
16:38:13 <juansequeda> betehess, I'm not saying that a triple is a relation. I just show you a way to map a relation to a triple
16:38:29 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
16:38:49 <ericP> q+ to propose a way to use examples to move this document forwards
16:39:12 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose next steps
16:40:44 <betehess> hhalpin, I don't follow you re: datamodels A B C. Please give me an example in real life. No semantics, just "how?"
16:41:07 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:41:57 <mhausenblas> ack Marcelo 
16:42:54 <hhalpin> hhalpin: We should test for consensus next week
16:43:05 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
16:43:05 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose a way to use examples to move this document forwards
16:43:13 <hhalpin> ... but eveyrone should read the document next week.
16:43:21 <hhalpin> ... and send arguments to the list-serv.
16:43:54 <ericP> [[
16:43:55 <ericP> The RDB2RDF WG is producing a mapping from relational databases to RDF graphs.
16:43:55 <ericP> The mapping parameteters are controlled by another RDF graph.
16:43:56 <ericP> This document describes that graph and begins to elucidate the mapping with inline examples; it does not yet define the mapping.
16:43:57 <hhalpin> ... and then we can see what parts of direct mapping can be put into R2ML document re normative dependencies
16:43:59 <ericP> ]]
16:44:02 <juansequeda> +1 to ericP. Add more examples to R2RML document to get this out
16:44:12 <hhalpin> Marcelo: What we are hoping is that Datalog can express it as rules
16:44:29 <mhausenblas> ack me
16:44:29 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose next steps
16:44:32 <hhalpin> ericP: If we kept it example driven and added in the above text
16:44:34 <hhalpin> +1 ericP
16:44:37 <juansequeda> I would recommend to put the appendix example in the beginning as a running example
16:44:44 <PatH> +1 Eric
16:45:01 <juansequeda> q+
16:45:27 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: people can propose complete textual changes
16:46:09 <hhalpin> ... but we need to make sure these very direct and valid questions can be put forward by Friday
16:46:20 <hhalpin> ... so this would allow the editors to know if they hvae addressed the documents
16:46:43 <hhalpin> ... then we review to see if they have all been addressed by next week.
16:46:44 <mhausenblas> ack juansequeda 
16:46:52 <hhalpin> juan: I really back up by what Eric just said
16:47:46 <hhalpin> juan: and then we can have concrete input-output examples
16:48:02 <hhalpin> ... moving appendix to right after Section 1.
16:48:26 <ericP> q+ to say that *all* of those examples might be a bunch to front-load; propose sprinkling them in
16:48:30 <Souri> q+
16:48:35 <MacTed> +1 running example
16:48:40 <mhausenblas> q?
16:48:48 <hhalpin> +1 running example, but maybe "build" it up over time.
16:48:58 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
16:48:58 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say that *all* of those examples might be a bunch to front-load; propose sprinkling them in
16:49:00 <hhalpin> ... example up front makes much more sense
16:49:25 <hhalpin> ericP: too much to read up front
16:49:47 <hhalpin> q+
16:49:53 <juansequeda> Proposal: move the example in Appendix A to the beginning of the document so it can be treated as a running example
16:49:58 <hhalpin> Souri: I have a question
16:49:59 <MacTed> as I understand it ... *basic* statement of example -- "I have this RDB table, which I want to map to this RDF ontology" -- at the beginning
16:50:01 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
16:50:07 <hhalpin> ... we have inline in the latest example
16:50:27 <MacTed> then as each bit comes along in the spec, the relevant bite of what is now in App A goes there
16:50:45 <MacTed> App A *could* (and perhaps *should*) be kept intact where it is as a summation
16:51:05 <PatH> +1 MacTed
16:51:07 <hhalpin> +1 MacTed
16:51:35 <Seema> q+
16:51:44 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: Can you revise Juan's proposal?
16:51:51 <hhalpin> ... Ted?
16:51:51 <mhausenblas> q?
16:52:06 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
16:52:10 <mhausenblas> ack Seema 
16:52:23 <hhalpin> Seema: a first question for Juan or just the specification of the table
16:52:30 <MacTed> Proposal: copy *basic* statement of example from Appendix A to beginning of document; then inline relevant bite from App A with the document segment it applies to; then present complete example as Appendix A
16:52:51 <hhalpin> ... i.e. put the tables and  triples together at the beginning then each section building the mapping little by little 
16:54:03 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: are these instructions sufficient?
16:54:28 <hhalpin> Souri: Your saying that the input to the mapping should be explained in the beginning and put right up front
16:54:45 <hhalpin> ... then we build up each of them
16:54:52 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:55:01 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:55:26 <hhalpin> ... and at the end we give the whole specification for the example,
16:55:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: copy *basic* statement of example from Appendix A to beginning of document; then inline relevant bite from App A with the document segment it applies to; then present complete example as Appendix A and publish this as FPWD
16:55:36 <hhalpin> ... so we put input first, and then we show how it maps from the example
16:55:43 <hhalpin> ... and then at the end, we show the complete mapping specification.
16:55:45 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: copy *basic* statement of example from Appendix A to beginning of document; then inline relevant bite from App A with the document segment it applies to; then present complete example as Appendix A and publish this as FPWD
16:55:48 <hhalpin> ... is that the proposal?
16:55:56 <hhalpin> juan: yes, input should be first
16:56:00 <hhalpin> Souri: sounds fine to me!
16:56:48 <MacTed> +1 proposal
16:57:05 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: any objections to proposal?
16:57:06 <Souri> +1
16:57:06 <hhalpin> +1
16:57:12 <juansequeda> +1
16:57:17 <Seema> +1
16:57:29 <hhalpin> RESOLVED: copy *basic* statement of example from Appendix A to beginning of document; then inline relevant bite from Appendix A with the document segment it applies to; then present complete example as Appendix A and publish this as FPWD
16:57:46 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to take care of pubrule check and init publication with W3C team contacts
16:57:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Take care of pubrule check and init publication with W3C team contacts [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-10-26].
16:58:46 <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to help with publication process
16:58:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Help with publication process [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-10-26].
16:58:54 <hhalpin> hhalpin: we are OK with publishing, right?
16:58:59 <mhausenblas> Michael:
16:59:01 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: yes, assuming that proposal is implemented
16:59:25 <hhalpin> juan: any updates on semantics telecons?
16:59:33 <hhalpin> ericP: Thursday 2 PM?
17:00:02 <hhalpin> ... 2PM EST
17:00:39 <Zakim> -Souri
17:01:07 <hhalpin> ericP: shortname?
17:01:12 <hhalpin> R2ML?
17:01:30 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/
17:01:36 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-r2rml/
17:01:44 <hhalpin> hhalpin: or just www.w3.org/TR/r2rml?
17:01:56 <hhalpin> short is better IMHO
17:02:06 <cygri> +1 hhalpin
17:02:20 <MacTed> short is better ... except that it removes the context of rdb2rdf docs
17:02:26 <hhalpin> mhausenblas: 2 of Nov no telecon.
17:02:44 <betehess> +1 to rdb2rdf-r2rml
17:03:02 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
17:03:17 <hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting
17:03:17 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:03:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been EricP, mhausenblas, +1.512.232.aaaa, juansequeda, PatH, cygri, Alexandre, hhalpin, MacTed, nunolopes, Souri, Seema, soeren, Marcelo
17:03:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:03:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:03:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:03:19 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/19-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
17:03:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to take care of pubrule check and init publication with W3C team contacts [1]
17:03:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-57-46
17:03:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: hhalpin to help with publication process [2]
17:03:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-58-46