Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference -- 25 Aug 2010

<trackbot> Date: 25 August 2010

<mischat> LAME !

<mischat> can't connect to the UK bridge

<mischat> "all circuits are busy now"

<MacTed> mischat - using that number? (which I hope is the new/current one)

<mischat> yeah

<MacTed> special.

<cperey> Zakim aaaa is me

<cperey> well, tough!

<MacTed> :-)

<cperey> thank you!

<cperey> cperey will need to leave by 17h30

<cperey> me!

<hhalpin> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 25 August 2010

<hhalpin> Alexandre?

might be me

<hhalpin> Fabien?

not sure, I'm on skype

<hhalpin> scribe?

well, skype from ireland so that might not be me :)

have to leave at 5 but yes I can

<hhalpin> PROPOSED: to approve minutes from August 18th meeting.

hhalpin: W3C looking closely in the identity space

<hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-minutes.html

hhalpin: one curent item on WebID / OpenID and next updates

<hhalpin> The next telecon is David Recordon and Dick Hardt.

<mischat> maybe

hhalpin: Renato would be interesting in meeting 1h ahead
... if people interested and want to chat

<hhalpin> http://odrl.net/

<mischat> +1 to meeting 1h ahead

hhalpin: policy language group
... looking at ODRL and RIF

<hhalpin> mega-meeting

hhalpin: hold a mega-meeting next week around these topics

<hhalpin> over ODRL and OpenID/WebID/OpenID Connect

hhalpin: openID, webID, OpenID connect, etc

<mischat> +1 interested

<hhalpin> APPROVED: Meeting next week 1 hour early, staying for 2 hours, over ODRL and ID efforts

<hhalpin> +1

<MacTed> +1

<hhalpin> APPROVED: http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-minutes.html as the true meeting minutes of August 18th

hhalpin: action items
... geographical maps of the Social Web landscape

cperey: not seen any
... work about diversity
... many smaller networks are no longer active
... caused by the adoption of larger networks
... landscape still very rich in certain geographies
... but not sure of source we can cite

<mischat> http://www.ignitesocialmedia.com/2009-social-network-analysis-report/

<mischat> ^^

<mischat> hhalpin: ^^

there's a ICWSM2010 paper by Facebook on facebook demography

cperey: social network in china
... or western europe, etc.

http://www.aaai.org/ocs/index.php/ICWSM/ICWSM10/paper/view/1534

ePluribus: Ethnicity on Social Networks

<mischat> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

<mischat> Zakim: unmute me

check picture 2 on the pdf I've sent as well

<hhalpin> http://www.paulmc.org/whatithink/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/social_map.png

<mischat> http://cdn.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/TheGeoSocialUniversev2_JESS3-640.jpg

<mischat> melvin's link ^^

<mischat> i.e. orkut in iran and brazil

cperey: other networks deepely adopted in some geographies
... do we need to argue if skype is social network ?

hhalpin: definion of the social web

MacTed: said that it goes beyond HTTP and the browser
... but dont think that having an email makes someone part of a social network
... e.g. no way of friending anyone in the google network

<hhalpin> "Social platforms refers to the total environment in which the user can interact with their social connections and social media, publish social media, and use social applications. It is a collection or group of features that can be used by a social application. The social platform is often centered on a Web site available over the Web, and one type of social platform is a social networking site. A social platform is analogous to Facebook or LinkedIn social n

<hhalpin> etworking sites, but also may managed locally by the user (perhaps via their browser), or a combination of the two alternatives. "

<mischat> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#The_Terminology

<mischat> http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/zCBPI/hash/d3fsv5it.gif

<mischat> facebook's places logo looks like a 4 in a square

<mischat> t

hhalpin: reason is that we want to separate applications from providers (data, profiles, etc.)

<cperey> +1 with what Harry is saying

hhalpin: apps, broswers,
... is there something better ?

cperey: about to redesign things that already exist

hhalpin: try to address the social service concept

<hhalpin> "Social Applications are functions of a social platform. Examples of social applications include real-time messaging, a community game, vCard import function, and a travel tracking feature. One possible social application is the management of a user�s profile (see the distributed profile figure). Social applications may be bound to a particular social platform (Facebook and FBXML) or capable of running across multiple social platforms (OpenSocial). Note th

<hhalpin> at the difference between a social platform and a social applicatin is often fuzzy, as some platforms do not allow third-party applications, and some platforms are indistinguishable from their applications. "

cperey: social application concept is about what a social platfor enables

<hhalpin> social application ?= social platform?

<hhalpin> social application ?= social services?

<hhalpin> another term?

MacTed: concerned by social platforms
... need several serices to be a platform

<hhalpin> The Web as a platform is kinda of the W3C logo...

<hhalpin> HTML5, for example...

cperey: services tend to be inherent in the network
... authentication, financial services, etc.

<hhalpin> The Web is defined is as a space of URI.

<hhalpin> mailto:, xmpp:

<hhalpin> that sort of thing.

<hhalpin> Web=URIs

<hhalpin> URI space, "Social Web"

<melvster> sorry im late, dialing in

<cperey> I'm glad that people are thinking about terminology

<cperey> but it feels like january 2010 all over again

<cperey> We had at least one meeting about ths!!

<mischat> Social Web is OK to me

hhalpin: relabelling ? changing definition ?

<cperey> yes, I agree

<cperey> I just know (from experience) that there is baggage wtih many of the options!!!!

<hhalpin> ACTION: DKA Shorten too long use-cases and see if he can reference in SWAT test cases. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Shorten too long use-cases and see if he can reference in SWAT test cases. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-09-01].

on the FSWS site

http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0

<hhalpin> http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0

I think so yes

<hhalpin> that is the most updated?

hhalpin: SWAT website

<cperey> http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0_-_strawman_protocol_flow

hhalpin: not specified

<hhalpin> if that's the latest - Evan...

<hhalpin> ACTION: [DONE] thibodue Write up a paragraph on OpenLink Dataspaces for final report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE]

<mischat> http://www.slideshare.net/factoryjoe/swat0-variant-flow

<mischat> ?

<hhalpin> ACTION: [DONE] For diaspora to talk about being included in final report (interoperable code-basess agreed to SWAT tests?). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action03]

hhalpin: diaspora people will send some updates

<mischat> nope

<mischat> tomorrow :)

<mischat> nope

<mischat> sorry, will do it

<mischat> will mail the list

<mischat> yup, was planning to do it today, but that didn't happen

<hhalpin> ACTION: [DONE] bblfish and mischa to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action04]

MacTed: no progress on user stories

<mischat> i also need to also populdate the privacy technology section

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] bblfish and mischa to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action05]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [DONE] apassant Flesh out profile standards [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action06]

mischat: will provide input on profile standards
... XRDS, etc.

hhalpin: will try to work on it next week
... for more public review
... cperey : feeling on giving a mobile-centric view on the report
... or some section

cperey: claudio wanted to contributed that
... sent emails about that
... replying with suggestions

<hhalpin> ACTION: [DONE] hhalpin to pring richard ishida over accessibility [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action07]

<hhalpin> ACTION: venezia to do mobile paragraph [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - venezia

mischat: wasnt a big section on decentrlised networks
... will try to work on it

cperey: very much needed
... reflect what we're thinking about

<melvster> henry asked me to pass on regrets

<mischat> ah :)

<mischat> nice one toby

<hhalpin> W3C is interested in the identity space...

<mischat> openid is a nightmare to code !

hhalpin: WebID consolitating
... not sure about the status of InfoCards

<melvster> positive on WebID

<cperey> I'm thinking that there remains a lot of controversy on Web ID

<cperey> +1

<melvster> a WebID is simply a foaf:Person

<cperey> sorry guys, I need to sign off for today... sounds like this is really coming together, looking forwad to seeing/reading the final report

<mischat> bye cperey

mischat: no real comment, probably henry and melvster can check

hhalpin: one pinpoint of OpenID is that its' too complicated
... WebID sounds simplier
... but binding of the cert to the device is a non starter

<hhalpin> http://www.links.org/files/nigori-protocol.html

hhalpin: chat offline about it
... issue is sharing secret key

mischat: apple does something similar
... with MobileMe

<hhalpin> MobileMe...hmm...

mischat: gives the facility to backup machines
... everything encrypted
... GPG type
... 3rd party service with authentication w. username / pass
... they store they key to encrypt the data in the cloud
... as an individual, you dont have to deal with the keys

<mischat> like tor stuff i guess

<mischat> yeah sure

<mischat> +1 to that if it can be pulled off

<melvster> +1

<hhalpin> OStatus and SWAT

<hhalpin> What Evan thought people about moving OStatus to move to W3C....

<hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/2010/07/community

<mischat> yeah

<mischat> nice

<mischat> melvster: ?

hhalpin: W3C and Open Foundation re. standards

<melvster> Would love to see OStatus under W3C as royalty free

http://status.net/wiki/Semantic_OMB (done at the time of OMB)

<melvster> OStatus already mentions FOAF in its spec

<mischat> yay, +1 to melvster 's efforts?

I've put that few months ago, need to restart working on it

<mischat> +1 to that

would be happy to work on that - and have them in W3c

so +1

<mischat> mmm

<mischat> the report is public

<hhalpin> ACTION: work on the strategy document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - work

<mischat> ok

<hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin work on the strategy document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-168 - Work on the strategy document [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-09-01].

which guys mischat ?

thx

<hhalpin> http://www.movim.eu/

<melvster> movim.eu they were part of GNU Social at one stage ...

<mischat> http://wiki.movim.eu/index.php?title=Utilisateur:Grirgz/Movim_Colocation

mischat: there might be some code here

<hhalpin> The group would like to thank the following people who we consulted with over the lifetime of the Social Web Incubator Group in order to make this final report: Robin Berjon, Tim Berners-Lee, Joseph Bonneau, Marcos Caceres, Michael Cooper, Sam Critchley, Anita Doehler, Nathan Eagle, Kaliya Hamlin, Dick Hardt, Eran Hammer-Lahav, Yolanda Gil, Paul Groth, Lalana Kagal, Ros Lawler, Matt Lee, Chris Messina, Soren Preisbusch, Evan Prodromou, David Raggett, David R

<hhalpin> ecordon, Gregory Rosmaita, Janina Sajka, Luke Shepard, Joseph Smarr, Manu Sporny, Peter St. Andre, Simon Tenant, and Slim Trabelsi.

<mischat> melvin do you know about drumbeat?

<mischat> neither could I

<hhalpin> http://www.drumbeat.org/

<mischat> i guess i could try emailing

<mischat> Aza Raskin

<mischat> from mozilla

<mischat> i have met him before

<mischat> privacy icons

<hhalpin> http://www.drumbeat.org/project/privacy-icons

<mischat> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/Challenges/Privacy_Icons

<hhalpin> ACTION: mtuffield to get aza to talk to us by end of Sept. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mtuffield

<mischat> mtuffiel

<hhalpin> ACTION: mtuffiel to get aza to talk to us by end of Sept. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action12]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mtuffiel

<mischat> mtiffiel

<hhalpin> ACTION: mtiffiel to get aza to talk to us by end of Sept. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action13]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-169 - Get aza to talk to us by end of Sept. [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2010-09-01].

<hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to set up HTML5/Interaction domain telecon before Sept. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html#action14]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Set up HTML5/Interaction domain telecon before Sept. [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-09-01].

<hhalpin> that's it...

<hhalpin> meeting adjourned

<hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting

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Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference

25 Aug 2010

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