IRC log of swxg on 2010-08-18

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Zakim, this will be 7994
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ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 August 2010
15:00:49 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's here?
15:00:49 [Zakim]
INC_SWXG()11:00AM has not yet started, MacTed
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, mischat, melvster, danbri, MacTed, karl, trackbot
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Zakim, this is 7994
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ok, MacTed; that matches INC_SWXG()11:00AM
15:01:00 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's here?
15:01:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +1.781.273.aaaa
15:01:14 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, mischat, melvster, danbri, MacTed, karl, trackbot
15:01:18 [mischat]
hello
15:01:29 [MacTed]
Zakim, aaaa is OpenLink_Software
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Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:01:36 [Zakim]
+OpenLink_Software; got it
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+MacTed; got it
15:01:52 [MacTed]
hi, mischa
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+??P2
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+ +1.510.931.aabb
15:02:15 [melvster]
zakim, +??P2 is me
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sorry, melvster, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
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+[Garlik]
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zakim, ??P2 is me
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+melvster; got it
15:02:32 [mischat]
zakim, Garlik is temporarily me
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+mischat; got it
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zakim, mute me
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mischat should now be muted
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Zakim, mute me
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MacTed should now be muted
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hi
15:03:28 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's here?
15:03:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see MacTed (muted), melvster, +1.510.931.aabb, mischat (muted)
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On IRC I see bblfish, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, melvster, danbri, MacTed, karl, trackbot
15:03:56 [melvster]
zakim, mute me
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melvster should now be muted
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yes
15:04:24 [MacTed]
Zakim, unmute me
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MacTed should no longer be muted
15:04:31 [hhalpin]
trackbot,start meeting
15:04:39 [MacTed]
hhalpin - already started...
15:04:43 [bblfish]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/StateOfSocialWeb#Authentication:_from_Passwords_to_WebIds
15:04:58 [bblfish]
*waves back*
15:05:27 [mischat]
excellent
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Zakim, mute me
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MacTed should now be muted
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+??P14
15:06:05 [hhalpin]
Zakim, ??P14 is hhalpin
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+hhalpin; got it
15:06:11 [mischat]
bblfish, it should probably go in here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity_Standards
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:)
15:06:19 [mischat]
nope
15:06:22 [hhalpin]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:22 [Zakim]
On the phone I see MacTed (muted), melvster (muted), +1.510.931.aabb, mischat (muted), hhalpin
15:06:28 [melvster]
i can scribe
15:06:31 [mischat]
yay
15:06:32 [bblfish]
ah ok. Let me see
15:06:36 [hhalpin]
chair: hhalpin
15:06:40 [hhalpin]
scribe: melvster
15:06:57 [melvster]
hhalpin: approve minutes
15:07:11 [melvster]
... any obections?
15:08:20 [mischat]
i can update on what I have been up to when ready
15:08:23 [hhalpin]
http://www.w3.org/2010/08/11-swxg-minutes.html
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APPROVED: http://www.w3.org/2010/08/11-swxg-minutes.html as minutes
15:08:41 [mischat]
zakim, unmute me
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mischat should no longer be muted
15:08:48 [melvster]
mishca: hello
15:09:06 [melvster]
... I put stubs in the technology areas, and think ive listed all the techs we want to talk about
15:09:12 [mischat]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Social_Web_Technologies_and_Standards
15:09:32 [melvster]
... some points im not sure about
15:09:37 [melvster]
... google connect
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google friend connect
15:09:52 [bblfish]
if you refresh I just popped in the section I wrote up on the other page
15:09:57 [melvster]
google friend connect i think has been discontinued
15:10:21 [melvster]
... maybe use facebook connect
15:10:33 [hhalpin]
http://openidconnect.com/
15:11:10 [melvster]
... xmpp has been dropped in a few times, and was headed under activity streams, but probably lies all over the place, not sure how to organize it
15:11:30 [melvster]
... gives you uri, authn, ability to send xml ... not quite sure where it leave
15:11:40 [melvster]
hhalpin: lives everywhere just like HTTP
15:12:07 [melvster]
... in general there's some movement, PuSH / Atom and XMPP are two stacks
15:12:41 [melvster]
mischat: ill try and find a place for it
15:13:17 [melvster]
... content standards (tags, reviewing, ratings, like, ogp) and activity standards ... not too sure of the difference
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... activity standards, Ostatus, atom, xmpp
15:14:08 [melvster]
... not sure tagging or liking something is any different from activity streams ... not sure how people feel about it
15:14:16 [melvster]
hhalpin: my feeling is that you're right
15:14:20 [Zakim]
+??P6
15:14:21 [AlexPassant]
Zakim, ??P6 is me
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+AlexPassant; got it
15:14:25 [melvster]
mischat: maybe use sharing standards
15:14:56 [melvster]
hhalpin: seems a logical separation between profile data, and activity data, e.g. FOAF has profile fields, but maybe not tagging
15:15:07 [melvster]
mischat: there's a whole profile section
15:15:31 [melvster]
... licensing ... i think we should cover CC stuff
15:15:42 [melvster]
... havent discussed data commons
15:16:00 [melvster]
hhalpin: happy to mention items that we havent convered in a telecon
15:16:15 [melvster]
mischat: 2 other subsections ... accessiblity & i18n
15:16:31 [melvster]
hhalpin: accessibility people have a wiki
15:17:33 [melvster]
mischat: i18n ... ask richard aschieda ishida ... thats the name thing
15:18:01 [melvster]
... social technologies and standards ... added in a decentralized social networks list
15:18:39 [melvster]
hhalpin: we have a set of standards, then we have at least 3 interoperable impl.
15:18:54 [melvster]
... we should keep that list in, important for people to know what's going on
15:19:05 [melvster]
... try and list the standards
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... ill add personal data spaces
15:19:20 [MacTed]
Zakim, unmute me
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MacTed should no longer be muted
15:19:38 [melvster]
macted: i can add to that section
15:19:50 [melvster]
mischat: can i have some comments on the report as a whole
15:20:01 [melvster]
... dont describe what the social web is
15:20:09 [melvster]
...need a definition?
15:21:29 [melvster]
hhalpin: we do go into this, there's SNS which we call social platforms, but we dont want to limit it to a site, because standards are compatible with browsers, with operating systems, foaf etc.
15:21:41 [melvster]
macted: we did some snippets in the overview
15:22:17 [melvster]
mischat: seemed that we were describing the open social project
15:23:03 [melvster]
... for me it feels like it's talking about the open social API, allowing you to stick an API around a silo, not pitching it at a grand enough vision, we should be talking about data ownership
15:23:06 [bblfish]
agree
15:23:26 [melvster]
macted: does kind of say, everyone get your own server out, which assumes everyone wants to be a programmer
15:23:59 [melvster]
mischat: it is possible using current technology, to be part of a distributed social web, e.g. gnu social, onesocialweb ... not sure we go far enough into it
15:24:04 [mischat]
zakim, mute me
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mischat should now be muted
15:24:28 [mischat]
exactly
15:24:29 [melvster]
bblfish: important issue, i think thats what the social web is. it's not that everyone has to have their own server, but it should be possible
15:24:47 [mischat]
zakim, unmute me
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mischat should no longer be muted
15:25:09 [melvster]
hhalpin: we shouldnt say that people must have their own server, but that people could, but the most feasible way to achieve this is through standards
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15:25:21 [melvster]
... assuming other platforms take up these standards
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-AlexPassant
15:25:57 [melvster]
... need to operate on a level of abstraction that allows both possibilities
15:26:06 [melvster]
mischat: not sure that's clear from the report
15:26:21 [Zakim]
+??P4
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Zakim, ??P4 is me
15:26:22 [Zakim]
+AlexPassant; got it
15:26:31 [melvster]
... seems to suggest you cant have social functionality without going to a 3rd party
15:26:47 [bblfish]
I agree one should have a stronger statement of social web vision
15:26:50 [melvster]
hhalpin: agree, maybe that should go towards the end
15:27:11 [AlexPassant]
btw, I'm happy to write something about SMOB and how it uses FOAf, SIOC, etc to enable open social semweb
15:27:12 [melvster]
... before introducing examples
15:27:29 [melvster]
+1 smob
15:27:52 [melvster]
bblfish: need to get people's attention at the beginning
15:28:07 [melvster]
.. .vision that is strong
15:28:09 [mischat]
+1 bblfish
15:28:29 [melvster]
... not just giving people a feeling we were a committee and no one dared say anything that wasnt quite the air of the moment
15:28:38 [melvster]
... risk being irrelevant
15:28:45 [melvster]
mactad: only so much you can put at the beginning
15:29:05 [melvster]
hhalpin: maybe a few sentences why standards are important, to reference how you run your own server
15:29:42 [melvster]
macted: overview has much of that stuff in it, but not the first senteneces, perhaps a narrative, joe wants to do x, and cant etc ...
15:29:59 [melvster]
hhalpin: we have this in the user stories ... issue is that it gets very long
15:30:25 [melvster]
macted: just a hook to say, joe tries being social on the web, and fails, and gets trapped
15:30:51 [melvster]
hhalpin: what i try to do is saying what sort of things these standards enabled, not saying how bad the situation is now
15:31:02 [melvster]
macted: need something more compelling
15:31:17 [bblfish]
we have consensus: the document is huge :-)
15:31:17 [melvster]
... huge document, need a compelling thread that takes you through
15:31:24 [AlexPassant]
we may introduce that use-case with some current issues (e.g. remembering X passwords, deciding on which website to post pictures / stories / ... in order to reach A or B, etc.)
15:31:57 [melvster]
mischat: would be sad if we didnt talk about a social web without centralization
15:32:03 [melvster]
bblfish: need to make it more prominent
15:32:26 [melvster]
mischat: distributed is not prominent enough
15:32:48 [melvster]
+1 mischat, bblfish ... i think it's a great angle to make the report more unique/readable
15:33:21 [melvster]
bblfish: dont bash, be positive, turn it around and say the social web can be much bigger
15:33:44 [melvster]
... everything connected in one giant network
15:33:52 [melvster]
... make everyone richer
15:34:10 [melvster]
mischat: can i take a stab at that?
15:34:14 [melvster]
hhalpin: go for it
15:34:42 [melvster]
... need a compelling user story, more compelling definition of the social web, and that you can roll your own is an important angle
15:34:59 [melvster]
macted: inclined to say, this makes it possible for new ones to start, without having to reinvent
15:35:06 [melvster]
... e.g. everyone runs email
15:35:11 [melvster]
... how many run their own server?
15:35:28 [melvster]
... open, distributed, how many people do it ... i think you'll find the same with soc net stuff
15:36:18 [melvster]
bblfish: with email you send everyone an email, with phones you call anyone, with the web you can link to anyone, but with an SNS you cant, why cant it be the same?
15:37:30 [melvster]
.. when you're on one social network, you cant just link to someone else so that you just link to someone else, email is designed so everyone can have their own server
15:38:13 [melvster]
mischat: can imagine if GNU social was more mature, accounts would come with an email server, or social network server
15:38:25 [melvster]
macted: want to have control over the services
15:38:42 [melvster]
mischat: i can imagine isps doing this, and handing it out as an extra service
15:39:02 [melvster]
bblfish: people working for universities will want that profile
15:39:23 [danbri]
just lurking today sorry, but from #social-p2p,
15:39:25 [danbri]
<eridu> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15865/diaspora_pres.pdf
15:39:36 [danbri]
update on diaspora's progress with ostatus
15:39:41 [melvster]
... need to say the paragraph in such a way as to make people think they can become part of a bigger thing
15:40:15 [melvster]
hhalpin: im hearing 3 different paragraphs ... need to go through the stub list
15:40:35 [melvster]
... 1. intro (inc. definition of social web + henry's ideas)
15:40:43 [Zakim]
-AlexPassant
15:40:47 [melvster]
... maybe with mischa too
15:41:04 [melvster]
bblfish: may need to cut it down
15:41:41 [hhalpin]
ACTION: bblfish and mtuffield to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards
15:41:41 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-161 - And mtuffield to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards [on Henry Story - due 2010-08-25].
15:42:01 [MacTed]
tthibodeau
15:42:05 [Zakim]
+??P4
15:42:07 [AlexPassant]
Zakim, ??P4 is me
15:42:07 [Zakim]
+AlexPassant; got it
15:42:13 [melvster]
... 2. paragraph user story saying, ' i cant connect to peoples profiles ' ... export data etc.
15:42:22 [melvster]
... aslo in the introduction
15:42:23 [hhalpin]
ACTION: thibodeau to add to intro a "user story" of why current approaches don't work.
15:42:23 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-162 - Add to intro a "user story" of why current approaches don't work. [on Ted Thibodeau - due 2010-08-25].
15:42:55 [melvster]
... what else are we missing?
15:43:06 [melvster]
... maybe semantic microblogging
15:43:23 [melvster]
... maybe go through technology list and assign people to stubs
15:43:50 [melvster]
mischat: how about subsections, e.g. identity subsection ... what about openid connect, xauth etc.
15:44:35 [melvster]
... im happy to take some of these sections
15:44:45 [melvster]
... maybe alex could do sioc foaf vcard profile section ...
15:44:46 [AlexPassant]
sounds good
15:44:57 [AlexPassant]
yes, but really bad voip so rather typing, sorry
15:45:03 [hhalpin]
ACTION: bblfish to flesh out and draft identity section
15:45:03 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-163 - Flesh out and draft identity section [on Henry Story - due 2010-08-25].
15:45:17 [AlexPassant]
apassant on W3C
15:45:24 [mischat]
AlexPassant: are you on the call ?
15:45:47 [hhalpin]
ACTION: apassant to flesh out profile standards
15:45:47 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-164 - Flesh out profile standards [on Alexandre Passant - due 2010-08-25].
15:45:52 [danbri]
re semweb/blogs background,, http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/open_demonstrators/hp-requirements-specification.html might be useful. (and more inhttp://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/intro.html)
15:46:08 [melvster]
... privacy standards?
15:46:09 [AlexPassant]
mischat: yes, but got a really bad connection so skype is almost unaudible sorry
15:46:18 [melvster]
.. i can do that
15:46:26 [melvster]
hhalpin: a short paragraph for each one
15:46:38 [melvster]
140 characters max :)
15:46:57 [hhalpin]
ACTION: mtuffield to privacy section
15:46:57 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - mtuffield
15:47:13 [melvster]
WebAccessControl
15:48:13 [AlexPassant]
re. privacy you can look at some references in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/trustprivacy.html
15:48:31 [mischat]
thanks Alex
15:48:37 [melvster]
hhalpin: get it drafted by end of august, internal review, then public review
15:48:58 [melvster]
:)
15:49:04 [melvster]
probably yes
15:49:08 [melvster]
btw: http://esw.w3.org/WebAccessControl
15:49:51 [hhalpin]
ACTION: hhalpin and melvster to review activity standards
15:49:51 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-165 - And melvster to review activity standards [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-08-25].
15:50:56 [melvster]
hhalpin: activity standards ... there's push and pull
15:51:18 [melvster]
... content and activities
15:51:32 [melvster]
... maybe streams is better than activities
15:52:57 [melvster]
... could mail oshani to add references to her work
15:53:06 [melvster]
... licensing issues\
15:53:27 [hhalpin]
ACTION: mtuffied to ask oshani over writing up licensing issues for final report.
15:53:27 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - mtuffied
15:53:28 [melvster]
oshani is on #dig right now ...
15:53:35 [hhalpin]
ACTION: mtuffield to ask oshani over writing up licensing issues for final report.
15:53:35 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - mtuffield
15:53:49 [mischat]
s/mtuffield/mtiffiel/ == (lame name typo)
15:53:52 [melvster]
hhalpin: ill ping richard on i18n
15:54:30 [melvster]
mischat: big section on distributed projects
15:54:31 [AlexPassant]
+1 for a list of codebases
15:54:33 [melvster]
i think it's done
15:54:37 [melvster]
in the gnu social wiki
15:54:41 [AlexPassant]
we could check FSWS invitees for getting such a list
15:54:44 [hhalpin]
ACTION: hhalpin to ping richard ishida over internationalization and track down accessibility
15:54:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-166 - Ping richard ishida over internationalization and track down accessibility [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-08-25].
15:54:45 [melvster]
let me find a link
15:55:03 [AlexPassant]
http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/FedAll2010/Invitations
15:55:14 [melvster]
one sec
15:55:54 [melvster]
arg ... it's down now ... will find the new one ..
15:56:04 [melvster]
was : http://www.gnu.org/software/social//Project_Comparison
15:56:15 [mischat]
thanks melvster
15:56:21 [melvster]
hhalpin: talking about a lightweight process
15:56:29 [melvster]
... more agile
15:56:37 [melvster]
... not tightly scoped
15:56:40 [melvster]
... can be code driven
15:56:50 [melvster]
... evan and chris messina may be interested
15:57:18 [melvster]
... need 3 codebases for ostatus
15:57:24 [melvster]
mischat: conclusions
15:57:33 [melvster]
... need to make a decision on what these are
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15:58:24 [melvster]
hhalpin: need core to be synced up
15:58:50 [melvster]
... privacy was too much to focus on, but we need to say something
15:59:01 [melvster]
... data handling workshop, privacy workshop report
15:59:31 [melvster]
... no one was talking about distributed social nets
16:00:00 [melvster]
bblfish: wasnt given time to speak, they were interested in APIs and javascript
16:00:18 [melvster]
... didnt get into the social webby party
16:00:22 [melvster]
s/party/part
16:00:31 [mischat]
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1lQvBDd0unAbV7LfxMp2XoXGm7HGPQX8cQd1cO2vz6iM&hl=en&authkey=CIzAkLEM&pli=1#
16:00:38 [mischat]
W3C Workshop on Privacy for Advanced Web APIs
16:00:38 [mischat]
^%^
16:00:40 [melvster]
... as soon as you have a distributed social web started, you'll have grass roots needs for it
16:01:09 [melvster]
mischat: privacy and security are different things
16:01:13 [bblfish]
yes, privacy =/= security
16:01:17 [melvster]
... privacy has to be looked at from the core
16:01:28 [melvster]
... e.g. w3c geo api, which was a failure
16:01:37 [melvster]
... which shows everyone everything
16:01:51 [melvster]
... ietf have a geo priv working group
16:02:07 [melvster]
... if you care about privacy you have to care from the beginning
16:02:20 [melvster]
bblfish: one talk about how privacy isnt access control
16:02:27 [melvster]
... but it does pre suppose access control
16:03:00 [melvster]
... first element in the stack is access control
16:03:11 [melvster]
... we have copyright
16:04:40 [melvster]
... if an agent comes to you
16:04:46 [melvster]
... you find out who it is
16:04:55 [melvster]
... if they say they understand a language
16:05:01 [melvster]
... so ill send you the terms
16:05:09 [Zakim]
-AlexPassant
16:05:18 [melvster]
... else give him the minimum
16:05:45 [mischat]
http://www.google.com/images?as_q=forest&hl=en&biw=1041&bih=598&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_st=y&tbs=isch:1,iur:fc
16:06:01 [mischat]
google images searches which can be used for commercial purposes
16:06:14 [melvster]
hhalpin: can we add that in?
16:06:19 [Zakim]
+??P9
16:06:21 [AlexPassant]
Zakim, ??P9 is me
16:06:21 [Zakim]
+AlexPassant; got it
16:07:02 [Zakim]
-AlexPassant
16:07:19 [bblfish]
ywa
16:07:20 [bblfish]
yes
16:07:27 [Zakim]
+??P9
16:07:28 [AlexPassant]
Zakim, ??P9 is me
16:07:29 [Zakim]
+AlexPassant; got it
16:07:57 [melvster]
mischat: use case your own terms of service ... sounds like science fiction?
16:08:32 [melvster]
hhalpin: if these standards existed and were widely deployed, this would be possible ...
16:08:57 [melvster]
... privacy is how you expose your data
16:09:43 [melvster]
bblfish: idea is when you go to a website you have privacy icons in your browser
16:09:57 [mischat]
http://www.slideshare.net/azaraskin/mozilla-privacy-icons-project
16:10:05 [mischat]
Mozilla Privacy Icons Project ^^
16:10:29 [melvster]
mischat: images from google which have CC usage
16:10:37 [melvster]
... people have no idea what licenses are
16:10:54 [melvster]
... 'in your local web browser'
16:12:07 [melvster]
hhalpin: identity in the browser, has support
16:12:13 [melvster]
... w3c has support from browsers
16:12:32 [melvster]
bblfish: maybe the browser can have a web server
16:12:37 [melvster]
... then webid works automatically
16:12:46 [melvster]
opera unite uses a proxy
16:12:55 [melvster]
you've missed dyn dns too
16:13:37 [melvster]
skype does it all :)
16:13:46 [melvster]
560 million users too
16:13:55 [mischat]
SKY-pe ;)
16:14:02 [melvster]
:)
16:14:24 [melvster]
here you go: http://gitorious.org/social/pages/ProjectComparison
16:14:37 [mischat]
saw that in the other room
16:14:38 [mischat]
:)
16:15:02 [melvster]
harry take a look at that link
16:15:35 [melvster]
:)
16:15:39 [bblfish]
thants'a a lot of work on teh plate
16:15:39 [mischat]
you should do my scribing
16:16:28 [bblfish]
yes, will be going to blogtalk
16:16:31 [bblfish]
should be good
16:16:37 [MacTed]
grrr... ProjectComparison should be a table... hateful presentation
16:17:02 [melvster]
yes ill send it to you
16:17:11 [bblfish]
yes and which servers were using them
16:17:16 [melvster]
one sec
16:17:35 [melvster]
here you go: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AqtcXb4fZGyCdEtNSVJ0LXdvT3dBTHllOTZEbmZFaFE&hl=en#gid=0
16:17:37 [mischat]
thanks
16:17:47 [mischat]
nice one melvster
16:17:50 [melvster]
i use semantic microbloggin on a daily basis
16:17:59 [melvster]
it's like a twitter / identica client
16:18:08 [melvster]
but you can also subscribe to other semantic microblogs
16:18:11 [mischat]
will integrated your table into the report
16:18:13 [melvster]
and pings LOD / Sindice
16:18:15 [AlexPassant]
smob still running, I can write about it (how we're using FOAF, SIOC for interop). etc.
16:18:16 [melvster]
it works really well
16:18:20 [AlexPassant]
will wirte a paragrph on it
16:18:38 [AlexPassant]
that's about distributed architecture
16:18:59 [melvster]
AlexPassant - you might also want to look at the microblog tab in tabulator
16:19:04 [AlexPassant]
ok, perfect
16:19:09 [AlexPassant]
melvster: ah thanks for the pointer
16:19:15 [hhalpin]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
16:19:15 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been +1.781.273.aaaa, MacTed, +1.510.931.aabb, melvster, mischat, hhalpin, AlexPassant
16:19:16 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-actions.rdf :
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: bblfish and mtuffield to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards [1]
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-41-41
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: thibodeau to add to intro a "user story" of why current approaches don't work. [2]
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-42-23
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ACTION: bblfish to flesh out and draft identity section [3]
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-45-03
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: apassant to flesh out profile standards [4]
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-45-47
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mtuffield to privacy section [5]
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-46-57
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: hhalpin and melvster to review activity standards [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-49-51
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mtuffied to ask oshani over writing up licensing issues for final report. [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-53-27
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mtuffield to ask oshani over writing up licensing issues for final report. [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-53-35
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: hhalpin to ping richard ishida over internationalization and track down accessibility [9]
16:19:17 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-swxg-irc#T15-54-44
16:19:26 [melvster]
thanks!
16:19:51 [Zakim]
-AlexPassant