IRC log of swxg on 2010-08-04

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 7994

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ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()11:00AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference

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Date: 04 August 2010

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Zakim, who's here?

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INC_SWXG()11:00AM has not yet started, MacTed

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On IRC I see rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, trackbot

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Zakim, this is 7994

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ok, MacTed; that matches INC_SWXG()11:00AM

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Zakim, who's here?

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On the phone I see OpenLink_Software, DKA

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On IRC I see rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, trackbot

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macted eh?

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Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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+MacTed; got it

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rreck - yep, I'm in a few WG/XGs

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+Garlik

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+bblfish

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new to this one i think

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+??P14

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zakim, ??P14 is me

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+melvster; got it

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harry, i have sent you mucho important emails

15:03:00 [mischat]

zakim, Garlik is temporarily me

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+mischat; got it

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zakim, mute me

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mischat should now be muted

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rreck - no, not new ... been here for months :-)

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-DKA

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hi

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i am in the wrong channel?

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Zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see MacTed, mischat (muted), bblfish, melvster

15:04:48 [rreck]

harry the emails are for you so dont sweat it

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Did we lose DKA?

15:05:04 [mischat]

yeah i think we did

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he said hello

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Sigh;

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and doesn't seem to be online now

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Strange.

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Well give him 5 minutes and we cancel meeting.

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I will incorporate all proposed edits into the final report before next meeting

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+DKA

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hi

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macted, i guess i just know who you are in rl now

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Zakim: who is on the call

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Zakim, who's here?

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On the phone I see MacTed, mischat (muted), bblfish, melvster, DKA

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On IRC I see bblfish, rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, trackbot

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zakim, un mute me

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I don't understand 'un mute me', mischat

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if there is no meeting maybe i should volunteer to scribe :-)

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Zakim, unmute mischat

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mischat should no longer be muted

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zakim, mute me

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mischat should now be muted

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zakim, unmute me

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mischat should no longer be muted

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+cperey

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zakim, mute me

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so DKA was a the submitt

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s/a/at/

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there were 35 participants

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Zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see MacTed, mischat (muted), bblfish, melvster, DKA, cperey

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+rreck

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the focus was on projects which had code being produced

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zakim, mute me

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rreck should now be muted

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DKA's project onesocialweb was consider one of the projects which are producing code in the space of distributed social networks

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salmon

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talks included updates from the various projects, slides should be on the federatted social web submit website

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including ostatus, pubhubsub, webfinger

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diaspora, and appleseed, gnusocial

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buddycloud

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quite a large set of people from the mozilla project

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swat test

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?

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social web asset test ?

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People are working towards a set of tests to allow for communications between different social web projects

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the plan is to make the projects pass these SWAT tests, by sept 30th 2010, to show interoperability between the various players in that space

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the workshop had three goals

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1: Bring people together in this space

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3: To promote standards to allow for interoperability between the various social web components

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what is the URL for that summit

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?

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sorry

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Zakim, mute me

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MacTed should now be muted

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bblfish: http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/Main_Page

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SWAT test http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0

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SWAT0 Compliance Test by Sept 30 or bust. Join us to take the challenge!

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s/social web asset test/social web acid test/

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nice one MacTed

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any questions for people in IRC

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zakim, umute me

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I don't understand 'umute me', mischat

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zakim, unmute me

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mischat should no longer be muted

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http://ostatus.org/

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http://ostatus.org

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welcome DKA

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http://ostatus.org/sites/default/files/ostatus-1.0-draft-1-specification.html

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any chance of a headphone instead of speaker, mischat?

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zakim, mute me

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ok MacTed

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sorry, and thanks

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np

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there was a new draft around the webfinger

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called privacy over webfinger which came out before the submit

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http://ostatus.org/sites/default/files/ostatus-1.0-draft-1-specification.html

15:20:25 [MacTed]

I'd think this is less "security between requester and answerer" and more "privacy of info, i.e., who can check my status"

15:20:47 [mischat]

nice one DKA

15:21:05 [mischat]

i recall last week, mention of the Higgin's people not being invited to the summit

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DKA: ^^

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hehe

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Zakim, unmute me

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DKA: said he talked about what was going on in our XG, and told people about the work we are doing

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http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web

15:22:45 [mischat]

http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web

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ah

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http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0

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DKA the google group for the submit, is now open, and people should be focusing on the development of the SWAT0 test

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people should join the group

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http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web/browse_thread/thread/1d8e3a6e33f62605

15:24:08 [mischat]

google was there, facebook was there

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' Privacy-over-Webfinger Draft '

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there was a cross section of big and small organisations working in the social space

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interoperability is the key thing to come out of the workshop

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the SWAT test is not tied down to standards, for example the onesocialweb people are looking at adapting the test to operate over the xmpp

15:26:09 [mischat]

any other questions for DKA from irc ?

15:27:58 [mischat]

MacTed: brings up the point that he feels that the social web summit was a bit inclusive

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and the most RDF friends (he says with his semantic web hat on)

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s/friends/friendly/

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ohhh : Mobile hack weekend in london http://overtheair2010.eventbrite.com/

15:31:12 [mischat]

bblfish: can you give that update ?

15:32:04 [bblfish]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport

15:32:56 [cperey]

I think that the technologies section is the weakest

15:33:13 [mischat]

YAY to git

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+1

15:33:22 [cperey]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Social_Web_Technologies_and_Standards

15:33:30 [rreck]

+1

15:35:13 [melvster]

impressed so far

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i like what i see so far

15:35:21 [mischat]

it requires work, but sofar so good

15:35:30 [cperey]

flow is pretty good, if you mean that the topics which need to be discussed are there

15:35:56 [rreck]

yeah impressed is the word i should have used

15:36:00 [cperey]

but there's still a lot left to write

15:36:25 [cperey]

+1 to what DKA is saying (guest speakers overview is missing)

15:36:30 [mischat]

DKA: thinks that there is gap insofar as there is no guest speaker overview

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+1

15:36:42 [cperey]

it's not consistent either

15:37:22 [rreck]

he is gone i think

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cperey, consistent how ? language?

15:37:34 [mischat]

DKA: harry isn't in the room

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on irc

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s/web summit was a bit inclusive/web summit was a bit exclusive/

15:37:52 [cperey]

inconsistent depth/detail coverage

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(that was re 11:27:58)

15:38:41 [cperey]

current status should be reflected in the report

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15:39:17 [DKA]

we need list of talks

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries

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which include salmon, pubhubsub, webfinger

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activitystreams

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Identity standards

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and FOAF! :)

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profile standards

15:40:23 [rreck]

we had more than 7 speakers?

15:40:26 [melvster]

is in the OStatus spec

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content standards

15:40:34 [mischat]

yup we definitely did rreck

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privacy standards

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activity standards

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but i fear that i wont cover them all

15:41:25 [DKA]

ACTION: Henry to do a para on foaf+ssl and webid

15:41:25 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-150 - Do a para on foaf+ssl and webid [on Henry Story - due 2010-08-11].

15:41:29 [mischat]

we should discuss what I have done next week and then work on

15:41:38 [melvster]

im happy to help write up the talk timbl gave us about what he is doing at MIT / CSail , im tabulator dev team, so im up to date

15:41:52 [mischat]

zakim, unmute me

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mischat should no longer be muted

15:42:45 [DKA]

ACTION: mischa to put stubs in for technologies discussed into final report...

15:42:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-151 - Put stubs in for technologies discussed into final report... [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2010-08-11].

15:43:24 [mischat]

zakim, mute me

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mischat should now be muted

15:43:30 [melvster]

mischa ... ill contact you, maybe i can help out with that too

15:43:57 [mischat]

cool

15:44:14 [mischat]

these are the original "discussion topics" we set out when we started the XG

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics

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i wonder if they should be revisited

15:44:55 [melvster]

one question: it's only a month left, right ... should we start circulating the draft to a wider audience ...

15:45:04 [mischat]

DKA: ^^?

15:45:05 [DKA]

claudio can you contribute to report?

15:45:33 [mischat]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/RequirementsAndUseCases-WorkArea

15:45:41 [DKA]

the use cases should be more prominent...

15:45:41 [mischat]

lots of them there ^^

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an appendix

15:45:48 [claudio]

yes I can

15:46:29 [cperey]

claudio: can you join the bridge or IRC what you would like to do?

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I'd be interested in contributing in the federation of open solcial network area or on the mobile SN ones

15:47:57 [DKA]

ACTION: Appelquist to integrate the use cases into an appendix.

15:47:57 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-152 - Integrate the use cases into an appendix. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-08-11].

15:48:04 [mischat]

DKA: thinks that we should point to the use cases, specially in the text when we are talking about real world examples of activities we should try and related them to topics we highlighted in the use case documents

15:49:03 [DKA]

claudio, we need some text in the report covering mobile-specific issues, or mobility in general and how it impacts the social web...

15:49:08 [mischat]

DKA: thinks we need text in the report about mobile issues, and how it impacts the social web

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Can you write something like that?

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if so i will hand you an action

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ok

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q+

15:50:07 [DKA]

ACTION: claudio to write some text on mobile-specific issues for the report.

15:50:07 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - claudio

15:50:12 [mischat]

zakim, unmute me

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mischat should no longer be muted

15:50:16 [DKA]

ack misch

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q?

15:50:46 [melvster]

cool!

15:52:54 [melvster]

yes, it's version 0.1 out

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i can cover gnu social

15:53:07 [melvster]

hmm mattl would be the best

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he's a member of this group

15:53:18 [melvster]

sure

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i can write up gnu social for the report

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zakim, mute me

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mischat should now be muted

15:53:42 [DKA]

ACTION: melvin to write a blurb for the report on gnu social

15:53:42 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-153 - Write a blurb for the report on gnu social [on Melvin Carvalho - due 2010-08-11].

15:54:07 [mischat]

are there any other key burning issues from people on IRC and not on the call ?

15:54:48 [bblfish]

ok

15:54:54 [cperey]

+1 one seeing lots of progress on this next week!

15:54:57 [melvster]

thanks!

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thank you DKA!!

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bye

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-DKA

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-MacTed

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-bblfish

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-mischat

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-rreck

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-melvster

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oops -

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Shall I generate the minutes?

15:55:37 [DKA]

trackbot, make minutes

15:55:37 [trackbot]

Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

15:55:41 [mischat]

yeah

15:55:47 [DKA]

trackbot, generate minutes

15:55:47 [trackbot]

Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

15:55:59 [DKA]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:55:59 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-minutes.html DKA

15:56:25 [DKA]

RRSAgent, make minutes public

15:56:25 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', DKA. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:57:43 [DKA]

rrsagent, publish minutes

15:57:43 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-minutes.html DKA

15:57:57 [DKA]

rrsagent make logs world-visible

15:58:04 [DKA]

rrsagent, make logs world-visible

15:58:16 [DKA]

trackbot, close meeting

15:58:16 [trackbot]

Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

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15:58:22 [DKA]

trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

15:58:22 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been DKA, MacTed, bblfish, melvster, mischat, cperey, rreck

15:58:23 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:58:23 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-minutes.html trackbot

15:58:24 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-actions.rdf :

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Henry to do a para on foaf+ssl and webid [1]

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-41-25

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: mischa to put stubs in for technologies discussed into final report... [2]

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-42-45

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Appelquist to integrate the use cases into an appendix. [3]

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-47-57

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: claudio to write some text on mobile-specific issues for the report. [4]

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-50-07

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: melvin to write a blurb for the report on gnu social [5]

15:58:24 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-53-42

15:58:39 [Zakim]

-cperey

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INC_SWXG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were DKA, MacTed, bblfish, melvster, mischat, cperey, rreck