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15:01:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7994
15:01:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference
15:01:22 <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2010
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15:01:52 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:01:52 <Zakim> INC_SWXG()11:00AM has not yet started, MacTed
15:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, trackbot
15:01:57 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 7994
15:01:57 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches INC_SWXG()11:00AM
15:02:00 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see OpenLink_Software, DKA
15:02:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, trackbot
15:02:06 <rreck> macted eh?
15:02:09 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:02:09 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
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15:02:29 <MacTed> rreck - yep, I'm in a few WG/XGs
15:02:41 <Zakim> +Garlik
15:02:42 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:02:45 <rreck> new to this one i think
15:02:48 <Zakim> +??P14
15:02:53 <melvster> zakim, ??P14 is me
15:02:53 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
15:02:58 <rreck> harry, i have sent you mucho important emails
15:03:00 <mischat> zakim, Garlik is temporarily me
15:03:00 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
15:03:12 <mischat> zakim, mute me
15:03:12 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
15:03:14 <MacTed> rreck - no, not new ... been here for months  :-)
15:03:26 <Zakim> -DKA
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15:04:05 <bblfish> hi
15:04:24 <rreck> i am in the wrong channel?
15:04:44 <hhalpin> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, mischat (muted), bblfish, melvster
15:04:48 <rreck> harry the emails are for you so dont sweat it
15:04:58 <hhalpin> Did we lose DKA?
15:05:04 <mischat> yeah i think we did 
15:05:06 <mischat> he said hello 
15:05:08 <hhalpin> Sigh;
15:05:14 <mischat> and doesn't seem to be online now 
15:05:17 <hhalpin> Strange.
15:05:33 <hhalpin> Well give him 5 minutes and we cancel meeting.
15:05:49 <hhalpin> I will incorporate all proposed edits into the final report before next meeting
15:06:10 <Zakim> +DKA
15:06:25 <bblfish> hi
15:06:31 <rreck> macted, i guess i just know who you are in rl now
15:06:35 <mischat> Zakim: who is on the call 
15:06:49 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:06:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, mischat (muted), bblfish, melvster, DKA
15:06:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, MacTed, tlr, FabGandon, karl, trackbot
15:06:52 <mischat> zakim, un mute me
15:06:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'un mute me', mischat
15:07:04 <rreck> if there is no meeting maybe i should volunteer to scribe :-)
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15:07:08 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute mischat
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15:07:28 <mischat> zakim, mute me
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15:08:19 <mischat> zakim, unmute me
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15:08:55 <Zakim> +cperey
15:08:59 <mischat> zakim, mute me 
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15:09:35 <mischat> so DKA was a the submitt
15:09:40 <mischat> s/a/at/
15:09:50 <mischat> there were 35 participants 
15:10:03 <hhalpin> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:10:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, mischat (muted), bblfish, melvster, DKA, cperey
15:10:10 <Zakim> +rreck
15:10:14 <mischat> the focus was on projects which had code being produced 
15:10:19 <rreck> zakim, mute me
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15:10:44 <mischat> DKA's project onesocialweb was consider one of the projects which are producing code in the space of distributed social networks
15:11:37 <melvster> salmon
15:11:38 <mischat> talks included updates from the various projects, slides should be on the federatted social web submit website 
15:11:53 <mischat> including ostatus, pubhubsub, webfinger
15:12:06 <mischat> diaspora, and appleseed, gnusocial 
15:12:11 <mischat> buddycloud
15:12:41 <mischat> quite a large set of people from the mozilla project
15:12:58 <mischat> swat test
15:12:59 <mischat> ?
15:13:04 <mischat> social web asset test ?
15:13:58 <mischat> People are working towards a set of tests to allow for communications between different social web projects 
15:14:28 <mischat> the plan is to make the projects pass these SWAT tests, by sept 30th 2010, to show interoperability between the various players in that space 
15:14:35 <mischat> the workshop had three goals 
15:14:44 <mischat> 1: Bring people together in this space 
15:15:09 <mischat> 3: To promote standards to allow for interoperability between the various social web components 
15:15:15 <bblfish> what is the URL for that summit
15:15:16 <bblfish> ?
15:15:21 <mischat> sorry 
15:15:36 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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15:15:38 <mischat> bblfish: http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/Main_Page
15:15:51 <mischat> SWAT test http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0
15:16:04 <mischat> SWAT0 Compliance Test by Sept 30 or bust. Join us to take the challenge! 
15:16:08 <MacTed> s/social web asset test/social web acid test/
15:16:17 <mischat> nice one MacTed 
15:16:31 <mischat> any questions for people in IRC 
15:16:40 <mischat> zakim, umute me 
15:16:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', mischat
15:16:45 <mischat> zakim, unmute me 
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15:17:09 <mischat> http://ostatus.org/
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15:17:13 <DKA> http://ostatus.org
15:17:14 <mischat> welcome DKA
15:17:28 <mischat> http://ostatus.org/sites/default/files/ostatus-1.0-draft-1-specification.html
15:17:38 <MacTed> any chance of a headphone instead of speaker, mischat?
15:17:49 <mischat> zakim, mute me
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15:17:53 <mischat> ok MacTed 
15:18:00 <MacTed> sorry, and thanks
15:18:04 <mischat> np
15:18:40 <mischat> there was a new draft around the webfinger 
15:18:50 <mischat> called privacy over webfinger which came out before the submit
15:19:31 <mischat> http://ostatus.org/sites/default/files/ostatus-1.0-draft-1-specification.html
15:20:25 <MacTed> I'd think this is less "security between requester and answerer" and more "privacy of info, i.e., who can check my status"
15:20:47 <mischat> nice one DKA 
15:21:05 <mischat> i recall last week, mention of the Higgin's people not being invited to the summit
15:21:10 <mischat> DKA: ^^
15:21:31 <mischat> hehe
15:21:36 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
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15:22:15 <mischat> DKA: said he talked about what was going on in our XG, and told people about the work we are doing 
15:22:38 <DKA> http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web
15:22:45 <mischat> http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web
15:22:46 <mischat> ah 
15:23:20 <DKA> http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0
15:23:26 <mischat> DKA the google group for the submit, is now open, and people should be focusing on the development of the SWAT0 test 
15:23:37 <mischat> people should join the group
15:23:44 <melvster> http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web/browse_thread/thread/1d8e3a6e33f62605
15:24:08 <mischat> google was there, facebook was there 
15:24:09 <melvster> '         Privacy-over-Webfinger Draft      '
15:24:30 <mischat> there was a cross section of big and small organisations working in the social space 
15:24:49 <mischat> interoperability is the key thing to come out of the workshop
15:25:57 <mischat> the SWAT test is not tied down to standards, for example the onesocialweb people are looking at adapting the test to operate over the xmpp
15:26:09 <mischat> any other questions for DKA from irc ?
15:27:58 <mischat> MacTed: brings up the point that he feels that the social web summit was a bit inclusive
15:28:32 <mischat> and the most RDF friends (he says with his semantic web hat on)
15:28:41 <mischat> s/friends/friendly/
15:29:37 <mischat> ohhh : Mobile hack weekend in london http://overtheair2010.eventbrite.com/
15:31:12 <mischat> bblfish: can you give that update ?
15:32:04 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
15:32:56 <cperey> I think that the technologies section is the weakest
15:33:13 <mischat> YAY to git 
15:33:15 <mischat> +1
15:33:22 <cperey> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Social_Web_Technologies_and_Standards
15:33:30 <rreck> +1
15:35:13 <melvster> impressed so far
15:35:21 <rreck> i like what i see so far
15:35:21 <mischat> it requires work, but sofar so good
15:35:30 <cperey> flow is pretty good, if you mean that the topics which need to be discussed are there
15:35:56 <rreck> yeah impressed is the word i should have used
15:36:00 <cperey> but there's still a lot left to write
15:36:25 <cperey> +1 to what DKA is saying (guest speakers overview is missing)
15:36:30 <mischat> DKA: thinks that there is gap insofar as there is no guest speaker overview
15:36:39 <mischat> +1 
15:36:42 <cperey> it's not consistent either
15:37:22 <rreck> he is gone i think
15:37:22 <mischat> cperey, consistent how ? language?
15:37:34 <mischat> DKA: harry isn't in the room 
15:37:36 <mischat> on irc 
15:37:49 <MacTed> s/web summit was a bit inclusive/web summit was a bit exclusive/
15:37:52 <cperey> inconsistent depth/detail coverage
15:38:14 <MacTed> (that was re 11:27:58)
15:38:41 <cperey> current status should be reflected in the report
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15:39:17 <DKA> we need list of talks
15:39:21 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries
15:40:02 <mischat> which include salmon, pubhubsub, webfinger
15:40:11 <mischat> activitystreams 
15:40:19 <cperey> Identity standards
15:40:20 <melvster> and FOAF! :)
15:40:23 <cperey> profile standards
15:40:23 <rreck> we had more than 7 speakers?
15:40:26 <melvster> is in the OStatus spec
15:40:33 <cperey> content standards
15:40:34 <mischat> yup we definitely did rreck 
15:40:52 <cperey> privacy standards
15:40:57 <cperey> activity standards
15:41:16 <mischat> but i fear that i wont cover them all 
15:41:25 <DKA> ACTION: Henry to do a para on foaf+ssl and webid
15:41:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Do a para on foaf+ssl and webid [on Henry Story - due 2010-08-11].
15:41:29 <mischat> we should discuss what I have done next week and then work on 
15:41:38 <melvster> im happy to help write up the talk timbl gave us about what he is doing at MIT / CSail , im tabulator dev team, so im up to date
15:41:52 <mischat> zakim, unmute me
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15:42:45 <DKA> ACTION: mischa to put stubs in for technologies discussed into final report...
15:42:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Put stubs in for technologies discussed into final report... [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2010-08-11].
15:43:24 <mischat> zakim, mute me 
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15:43:30 <melvster> mischa ... ill contact you, maybe i can help out with that too
15:43:57 <mischat> cool 
15:44:14 <mischat> these are the original "discussion topics" we set out when we started the XG 
15:44:14 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics
15:44:21 <mischat> i wonder if they should be revisited
15:44:55 <melvster> one question: it's only a month left, right ... should we start circulating the draft to a wider audience ...
15:45:04 <mischat> DKA: ^^?
15:45:05 <DKA> claudio can you contribute to report?
15:45:33 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/RequirementsAndUseCases-WorkArea
15:45:41 <DKA> the use cases should be more prominent...
15:45:41 <mischat> lots of them there ^^
15:45:48 <mischat> an appendix 
15:45:48 <claudio> yes I can
15:46:29 <cperey> claudio: can you join the bridge or IRC what you would like to do?
15:47:16 <claudio> I'd be interested in contributing in the federation of open solcial network area or on the mobile SN ones
15:47:57 <DKA> ACTION:  Appelquist to integrate the use cases into an appendix.
15:47:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-152 - Integrate the use cases into an appendix. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-08-11].
15:48:04 <mischat> DKA:  thinks that we should point to the use cases, specially in the text when we are talking about real world examples of activities we should try and related them to topics we highlighted in the use case documents 
15:49:03 <DKA> claudio, we need some text in the report covering mobile-specific issues, or mobility in general and how it impacts the social web...
15:49:08 <mischat> DKA: thinks we need text in the report about mobile issues, and how it impacts the social web
15:49:12 <DKA> Can you write something like that?
15:49:37 <DKA> if so i will hand you an action
15:49:48 <claudio> ok
15:50:05 <mischat> q+
15:50:07 <DKA> ACTION: claudio to write some text on mobile-specific issues for the report.
15:50:07 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - claudio
15:50:12 <mischat> zakim, unmute me
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15:50:16 <DKA> ack misch
15:50:19 <DKA> q?
15:50:46 <melvster> cool!
15:52:54 <melvster> yes, it's version 0.1 out
15:53:00 <melvster> i can cover gnu social
15:53:07 <melvster> hmm mattl would be the best
15:53:15 <melvster> he's a member of this group
15:53:18 <melvster> sure
15:53:24 <melvster> i can write up gnu social for the report
15:53:27 <mischat> zakim, mute me
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15:53:42 <DKA> ACTION: melvin to write a blurb for the report on gnu social
15:53:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Write a blurb for the report on gnu social [on Melvin Carvalho - due 2010-08-11].
15:54:07 <mischat> are there any other key burning issues from people on IRC and not on the call ?
15:54:48 <bblfish> ok
15:54:54 <cperey> +1 one seeing lots of progress on this next week!
15:54:57 <melvster> thanks!
15:54:58 <cperey> thank you DKA!!
15:55:00 <mischat> bye 
15:55:03 <Zakim> -DKA
15:55:04 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:55:04 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:55:06 <Zakim> -mischat
15:55:13 <Zakim> -rreck
15:55:14 <Zakim> -melvster
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15:55:21 <DKA> oops -
15:55:31 <DKA> Shall I generate the minutes?
15:55:37 <DKA> trackbot, make minutes
15:55:37 <trackbot> Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:55:41 <mischat> yeah 
15:55:47 <DKA> trackbot, generate minutes
15:55:47 <trackbot> Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:55:59 <DKA> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:55:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-minutes.html DKA
15:56:25 <DKA> RRSAgent, make minutes public
15:56:25 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', DKA.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:57:43 <DKA> rrsagent, publish minutes
15:57:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-minutes.html DKA
15:57:57 <DKA> rrsagent make logs world-visible
15:58:04 <DKA> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:58:16 <DKA> trackbot, close meeting
15:58:16 <trackbot> Sorry, DKA, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:58:21 <melvster> melvster has left #swxg
15:58:22 <DKA> trackbot, end meeting
15:58:22 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:58:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been DKA, MacTed, bblfish, melvster, mischat, cperey, rreck
15:58:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-minutes.html trackbot
15:58:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:58:24 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-actions.rdf :
15:58:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Henry to do a para on foaf+ssl and webid [1]
15:58:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-41-25
15:58:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mischa to put stubs in for technologies discussed into final report... [2]
15:58:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-42-45
15:58:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Appelquist to integrate the use cases into an appendix. [3]
15:58:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-47-57
15:58:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: claudio to write some text on mobile-specific issues for the report. [4]
15:58:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-50-07
15:58:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: melvin to write a blurb for the report on gnu social [5]
15:58:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-swxg-irc#T15-53-42
15:58:39 <Zakim> -cperey
15:58:41 <Zakim> INC_SWXG()11:00AM has ended
15:58:42 <Zakim> Attendees were DKA, MacTed, bblfish, melvster, mischat, cperey, rreck