IRC log of ssn on 2010-06-16

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19:53:58 [laurent_lefort_cs]
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19:54:10 [laurent_lefort_cs]
zakim, this will be inc_ssn
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ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: SSN XG
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Chair: Laurent
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jun/0015.html
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+ +1.206.662.aaaa
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zakim, +1.206.662.aaaa is me
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+david; got it
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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html
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Regrets: Luis, Krzysztof
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Messages from Ted Guild (W3C): The France and UK Zakim bridge numbers +33.4.89.06.34.99 and
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+44.117.370.6152 are reported to not accept tone dialing to enter the conference codes.
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... We apologize for the inconvenience while the above services are unavailable.
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... The US Zakim bridge number +1.617.761.6200 remains fully operational.
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... (dated Monday 14 Juned)
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+[IPcaller]
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+??P3
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zakim, [IPCaller] is me
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+laurent_lefort_cs; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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-laurent_lefort_cs
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zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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+michael; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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+ssahoo2
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zakim, ssahoo2 is me
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+cory; got it
20:08:58 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Topic: review of previous meeting minutes and comments
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20:11:22 [krp]
Sorry, having trouble getting on
20:12:37 [david]
i can scribe
20:12:45 [Zakim]
+kerry
20:13:20 [laurent_lefort_cs]
scribenick: david
20:13:29 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Topic: Status of ACTION-30 Define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered
20:13:29 [laurent_lefort_cs]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/actions/30
20:16:18 [david]
Laurent: Note on namespace - Requesting a location from W3C where the ontology can physically be located. See notes in aforementioned link.
20:16:26 [kerry]
+1
20:16:28 [david]
+1
20:16:31 [cory]
+1
20:16:36 [michael]
+1
20:17:56 [david]
Laurent: Using ontology for : 1) importing into tools (e.g. Protege); 2) for use in linked data
20:19:09 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Keep watching progress of this action through http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/actions/30
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Topic: Definition of examples for the XG deliverable
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/8
20:23:16 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Laurent commenting on the example slide 4
20:24:39 [david]
Laurent: discussion of slide 3 & 4 of Semantically-enabled Standard Development (ref. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/7/7e/Semantically-enabled_Standard_Development-27May.pdf) regarding comparison on two sensors with differences in performances for specific conditions
20:26:44 [david]
Laurent: referring to slide 5, where more information would be beneficial for Severe Thunderstorm event and why semantic markup would be beneficial
20:26:50 [cory]
+q
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+q
20:27:12 [david]
Laurent: Is this use case beneficial? do we need others? which?
20:27:38 [david]
cory: Do we have O&M documents that have these recordings?
20:27:46 [david]
Laurent: no.
20:28:30 [david]
cory: sensor discovery is the current working example
20:28:32 [laurent_lefort_cs]
ack cory
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ack kerry
20:31:26 [david]
Kerry: is the modeling of the event out of scope?
20:32:43 [david]
Laurent: How can we balance development ontology with validation against real world use cases?
20:36:36 [laurent_lefort_cs]
+q
20:37:04 [david]
discussion of modeling the event vs. formalization in the ontology (e.g. hail, rainfall - these are already imported so are not an issue)
20:38:28 [krp]
Sorry, not on call: can't get past the welcome message. Thought it was my phone (new contract) but have tried others and I'm having the same issue.
20:38:47 [kerry]
I know this -- ring the us number!!!
20:38:58 [laurent_lefort_cs]
ack laurent
20:39:11 [david]
us number: +1.617.761.6200
20:39:28 [krp]
ah, I'm at home.. the US number would be... expensive...
20:39:44 [kerry]
talk to us on irc then?
20:39:47 [michael]
+q
20:40:05 [krp]
Yeah, just looking through the scrollback
20:40:57 [david]
Laurent: described a nasty weather event - hail, freezing rain (which breaks power lines)
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+q
20:41:47 [david]
cory: has O&M data that can be used
20:43:24 [david]
michael: do we know what sensors were used in the BOM (see page 5 of the slides)? ...will we have accuracy, etc
20:44:28 [david]
michael: Is there a real world example with the data available for an event? does not necessarily need to be an extreme event.
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laurent: this case was picked due to performance of sensor
20:45:34 [laurent_lefort_cs]
ack michael
20:45:36 [david]
michael: proposes finding an example event with real data, real sensor
20:45:38 [laurent_lefort_cs]
ack kerry
20:47:10 [david]
kerry: ??can't hear
20:47:19 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Kerry: talking about examples related to CSIRO project: Phenonet (Agriculture Meteo) and Hydro
20:49:36 [david]
cory: re: using O&M data, have name, location, time of use (no accuracy, etc)
20:49:58 [david]
Laurent: more sensor info may be available
20:50:42 [krp]
What do you need from the examples? (is it different sensor behaviour based on conditions?)
20:51:06 [laurent_lefort_cs]
We need examples which uses different parts of the ontology for the 1st deliverable
20:51:40 [laurent_lefort_cs]
... and examples where we have the data and the info for the sensor (to illustrate the added value of the semantic markup)
20:52:13 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Laurent: Actions to continue this? Who should talk to who?
20:53:04 [krp]
Which parts of the ontology are lacking coverage? (personally I'm not using much sensor device descriptions, mostly observations, but I can ask others)
20:54:48 [david]
cory: using O&M data, and sensors used don't have info on range of measurement, accuracy, battery life, etc
20:54:49 [kerry]
But "overly simple" is also a valid example!
20:55:50 [david]
michael: should examples should be showing coverage of the ontology or to show how to use it?
20:55:55 [kerry]
Yes: to show how to use the ontology
20:56:25 [david]
Laurent: What do we need to show how to use it?
20:56:48 [cory]
+q
20:57:03 [david]
michael: capability of sensor related to some external condition, relating observations to that
20:57:48 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Micahel: citing the list of sub-parts of the ontology http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology
20:59:32 [laurent_lefort_cs]
ack cory
20:59:49 [david]
Laurent: survivability, mobility may need additional work after the other areas are covered
21:02:05 [david]
cory: need to decide what concepts in ontology to show examples - could add to device discovery use case
21:04:05 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Action: Laurent to sum up this discussion and call for contributions of examples especially on topics which are not well covered yet
21:04:05 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-31 - Sum up this discussion and call for contributions of examples especially on topics which are not well covered yet [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-06-23].
21:08:09 [krp]
kerry: is there a known issue with the UK bridge? (not sure if the call is winding up)
21:08:20 [kerry]
yes
21:08:25 [kerry]
and call is still going now
21:09:11 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Laurent: deciding to first work separately on the ontology and markup examples and then identify the gaps
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Topic: Semantic Markup Deliverable status
21:10:13 [kerry]
the draft report is a good place to do this!
21:10:19 [david]
cory: organized the draft report for the ontology deliverable - separated motivating use cases from the examples.
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/The_Report_in_Progress#Markup_and_Annotation
21:10:56 [david]
cory: aggregated examples and placed them in the above link
21:11:44 [david]
cory: will use the SWE standards
21:12:04 [david]
laurent: cory, do you need any assistance?
21:12:37 [michael]
...my sound just dropped out...
21:12:40 [kerry]
Laurent -- need to close off...
21:12:51 [david]
cory: motivation section might need additional work (e.g. motivating use cases)
21:13:13 [david]
cory: providing examples and annotating examples remain
21:13:32 [david]
laurent: focus on examples
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Topic: AOB
21:14:02 [kerry]
thank you & bye from me!
21:14:04 [krp]
is there anywhere to track progress on the UK bridge issue? (couldn't find anything on w3c site)
21:14:06 [michael]
bye
21:14:08 [cory]
bye
21:14:09 [Zakim]
-michael
21:14:19 [kerry]
krp -- dont recall info on that...
21:14:19 [Arthur]
bye
21:14:32 [kerry]
there was just an email
21:14:49 [kerry]
I can't now -- but I'll try to dig it up later today and fwd to the list
21:14:50 [Zakim]
-cory
21:14:51 [krp]
next week will be ok... it'll be an afternoon call so I'll be on campus
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-david
21:15:08 [kerry]
-kerry
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-kerry
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-Arthur
21:15:56 [krp]
yes
21:16:02 [krp]
though need to get away, it's late!
21:16:48 [laurent_lefort_cs]
Okay, we'll catch up the next time I'll do my best to complete what appears on the IRC. Thanks
21:17:28 [krp]
ok, thanks.
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disconnecting the lone participant, laurent_lefort_cs, in INC_SSN()4:00PM
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INC_SSN()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were david, laurent_lefort_cs, michael, Arthur, cory, kerry
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Action: Laurent to get updated information on the status of the European Zakim bridge from W3C
21:22:58 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-32 - Get updated information on the status of the European Zakim bridge from W3C [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-06-23].
21:24:34 [laurent_lefort_cs]
s/14 Juned/14 June/
21:25:05 [laurent_lefort_cs]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
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rrsagent, please generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
21:30:43 [laurent_lefort_cs]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, please generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
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