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19:54:10 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
19:54:10 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
19:54:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:   SSN XG
19:54:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair:     Laurent
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19:55:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jun/0015.html
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19:56:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html
19:57:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> Regrets: Luis, Krzysztof
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19:59:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> Messages from Ted Guild (W3C): The France and UK Zakim bridge numbers +33.4.89.06.34.99 and 
19:59:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> +44.117.370.6152 are reported to not accept tone dialing to enter the conference codes.
19:59:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... We apologize for the inconvenience while the above services are unavailable.
19:59:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... The US Zakim bridge number +1.617.761.6200 remains fully operational.
20:00:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... (dated Monday 14 Juned)
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20:08:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: review of previous meeting minutes and comments
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20:11:22 <krp> Sorry, having trouble getting on
20:12:37 <david> i can scribe
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20:13:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> scribenick: david
20:13:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Status of ACTION-30 Define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered 
20:13:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/actions/30
20:16:18 <david> Laurent:  Note on namespace - Requesting a location from W3C where the ontology can physically be located.  See notes in aforementioned link.
20:16:26 <kerry> +1
20:16:28 <david> +1
20:16:31 <cory> +1
20:16:36 <michael> +1
20:17:56 <david> Laurent:  Using ontology for : 1) importing into tools (e.g. Protege); 2) for use in linked data
20:19:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> Keep watching progress of this action through http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/actions/30
20:20:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Definition of examples for the XG deliverable
20:21:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/8
20:23:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent commenting on the example slide 4
20:24:39 <david> Laurent: discussion of slide 3 & 4 of Semantically-enabled Standard Development (ref. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/7/7e/Semantically-enabled_Standard_Development-27May.pdf) regarding comparison on two sensors with differences in performances for specific conditions
20:26:44 <david> Laurent: referring to slide 5, where more information would be beneficial for Severe Thunderstorm event and why semantic markup would be beneficial
20:26:50 <cory> +q
20:27:08 <kerry> +q
20:27:12 <david> Laurent: Is this use case beneficial? do we need others?  which?
20:27:38 <david> cory:  Do we have O&M documents that have these recordings?
20:27:46 <david> Laurent: no.
20:28:30 <david> cory: sensor discovery is the current working example
20:28:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack cory 
20:29:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack kerry
20:31:26 <david> Kerry: is the modeling of the event out of scope?
20:32:43 <david> Laurent:  How can we balance development ontology with validation against real world use cases?
20:36:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> +q
20:37:04 <david> discussion of modeling the event vs. formalization in the ontology (e.g. hail, rainfall - these are already imported so are not an issue)
20:38:28 <krp> Sorry, not on call: can't get past the welcome message. Thought it was my phone (new contract) but have tried others and I'm having the same issue.
20:38:47 <kerry> I know this -- ring the us number!!!
20:38:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack laurent
20:39:11 <david> us number:  +1.617.761.6200
20:39:28 <krp> ah, I'm at home.. the US number would be... expensive...
20:39:44 <kerry> talk to us on irc then?
20:39:47 <michael> +q
20:40:05 <krp> Yeah, just looking through the scrollback
20:40:57 <david> Laurent: described a nasty weather event - hail, freezing rain (which breaks power lines)
20:41:29 <kerry> +q
20:41:47 <david> cory:  has O&M data that can be used
20:43:24 <david> michael: do we know what sensors were used in the BOM (see page 5 of the slides)?  ...will we have accuracy, etc
20:44:28 <david> michael:  Is there a real world example with the data available for an event?  does not necessarily need to be an extreme event.
20:44:59 <david> laurent:  this case was picked due to performance of sensor
20:45:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
20:45:36 <david> michael:  proposes finding an example event with real data, real sensor
20:45:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack kerry
20:47:10 <david> kerry: ??can't hear
20:47:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> Kerry: talking about examples related to CSIRO project: Phenonet (Agriculture Meteo) and Hydro
20:49:36 <david> cory:  re: using O&M data, have name, location, time of use (no accuracy, etc)
20:49:58 <david> Laurent: more sensor info may be available
20:50:42 <krp> What do you need from the examples? (is it different sensor behaviour based on conditions?)
20:51:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> We need examples which uses different parts of the ontology for the 1st deliverable
20:51:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... and examples where we have the data and the info for the sensor (to illustrate the added value of the semantic markup)
20:52:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: Actions to continue this? Who should talk to who?
20:53:04 <krp> Which parts of the ontology are lacking coverage? (personally I'm not using much sensor device descriptions, mostly observations, but I can ask others)
20:54:48 <david> cory: using O&M data, and sensors used don't have info on range of measurement, accuracy, battery life, etc
20:54:49 <kerry> But "overly simple" is also a valid example!
20:55:50 <david> michael:  should examples should be showing coverage of the ontology or to show how to use it?
20:55:55 <kerry> Yes: to show how to use the ontology
20:56:25 <david> Laurent: What do we need to show how to use it?
20:56:48 <cory> +q
20:57:03 <david> michael: capability of sensor related to some external condition, relating observations to that
20:57:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Micahel: citing the list of sub-parts of the ontology http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology
20:59:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack cory
20:59:49 <david> Laurent: survivability, mobility may need additional work after the other areas are covered
21:02:05 <david> cory:  need to decide what concepts in ontology to show examples - could add to device discovery use case
21:04:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> Action: Laurent to sum up this discussion and call for contributions of examples especially on topics which are not well covered yet
21:04:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Sum up this discussion and call for contributions of examples especially on topics which are not well covered yet [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-06-23].
21:08:09 <krp> kerry: is there a known issue with the UK bridge? (not sure if the call is winding up)
21:08:20 <kerry> yes
21:08:25 <kerry> and call is still going now
21:09:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: deciding to first work separately on the ontology and markup examples and then identify the gaps
21:09:26 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Semantic Markup Deliverable status 
21:10:13 <kerry> the draft report is a good place to do this!
21:10:19 <david> cory:  organized the draft report for the ontology deliverable - separated motivating use cases from the examples.
21:10:39 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/The_Report_in_Progress#Markup_and_Annotation
21:10:56 <david> cory: aggregated examples and placed them in the above link
21:11:44 <david> cory: will use the SWE standards 
21:12:04 <david> laurent: cory, do you need any assistance?
21:12:37 <michael> ...my sound just dropped out...
21:12:40 <kerry> Laurent -- need to close off...
21:12:51 <david> cory: motivation section might need additional work (e.g. motivating use cases)
21:13:13 <david> cory: providing examples and annotating examples remain
21:13:32 <david> laurent: focus on examples
21:13:42 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: AOB
21:14:02 <kerry> thank you  & bye from me!
21:14:04 <krp> is there anywhere to track progress on the UK bridge issue? (couldn't find anything on w3c site)
21:14:06 <michael> bye
21:14:08 <cory> bye
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21:14:19 <kerry> krp -- dont recall info on that...
21:14:19 <Arthur> bye
21:14:32 <kerry> there was just an email
21:14:49 <kerry> I can't now -- but I'll try to dig it up later today and fwd to the list
21:14:50 <Zakim> -cory
21:14:51 <krp> next week will be ok... it'll be an afternoon call so I'll be on campus
21:15:00 <Zakim> -david
21:15:08 <kerry> -kerry
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21:15:56 <krp> yes
21:16:02 <krp> though need to get away, it's late!
21:16:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Okay, we'll catch up the next time I'll do my best to complete what appears on the IRC. Thanks
21:17:28 <krp> ok, thanks.
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21:20:25 <Zakim> Attendees were david, laurent_lefort_cs, michael, Arthur, cory, kerry
21:22:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> Action: Laurent to get updated information on the status of the European Zakim bridge from W3C
21:22:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Get updated information on the status of the European Zakim bridge from W3C [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-06-23].
21:24:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/14 Juned/14 June/
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