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<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2010
<dug> bonjour
<Bob> I am using full dns
<dug> ah, no w3c today
<dug> 571 is loud :-)
<gpilz> did they really need to stick the "context" into "customized, Compunetics, conferencing system" ?
<dug> No sympathy from me: http://bronx.ny1.com/content/top_stories/120391/claim--bronx-students-forced-to-clean-school-toilets
<dug> its a punishment! geez.
<Bob> scribe: Ashok
<Bob> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0007.html
<scribe> scribenick: Ashok
Agenda accepted
Toopic: Minutes from June 8
Approval of minutes of 2010-06-08
Approved w/o objection
Bob: Any objections?
No objections. Document will be published as Last Call document
Bob: How long shd last call
be?
... 3 or 4 weeks
No objections to 3 week Last Call.
<Bob> http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all
Bob: Who will volunteer to write abstracts?
Doug: I'll take a stab at it
<dug> ACTION: Doug to write up some abstracts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write up some abstracts [on Doug Davis - due 2010-06-22].
1-Issue-9610 Eventing: Support WS-Management's heartbeat events http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 -wsman
<Tom_Rutt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html
<Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html
TomRutt: Simplify d ... always send msg at regular intervals
WuChou: Using count may not good idea
TomRutt: Agrees with Wu
Rick: We would like to withdraw
proposal
... WS-Man would like to use it's existing mechanism
... also remove GetStatus option
Doug: Proposal is worthy of consideration for a primer ... later
<asoldano> +1
<dug> LOL poor martin
TomRutt: We do not need to remove what we have or not add a more general feature
<dug> its a miracle!
<MartinC> its also true
Gil: Keep alive is worse than
heartbeat
... increases shared state by a lot
Rick: The keep-alive uses a
maximum interval. If you implement as regular heartbeat the max
interval never exceeded
... can be implemented by alarm clock
... no need to keep distributed state
<dug> +1 to cwna and remove
Bob: Proposal to CNA and remove
... Option f.
... remove verify
TomRutt: Lets not take away what we have ... meets a general need
Bob: Do you want option e rather than f?
Doug: Disagrees. No need for what we added. That was for WS-Man. Will cause confusion
<Bob> ok, lets pick one
<Bob> e or f
Doug: Maybe we Doug, Can add later
<MartinC> who is going to implement getstatus?
Allesio: f
IBM: f
Microsoft: f
Fujistu: e
SoftwareAG: f
<dug> not just good work but great work :-)
Avaya: abstain
Oracle: f
Bob: We pick f
<dug> ack
<Bob> rr
RESOLUTION: Issue 9610 is resolved by removing the verify feature and reverting to oroginal state
<Bob> proposal at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=887
2-Issue-9609 Enum: Support WS-Management's optimization of Enumerations with small result sets http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9609 -wsman proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0006.html and in the bug list
TomRutt: Any changes to response in existing spec?
Rick: Yes
Doug: Looks like a large
premature optimization
... prefer to make pull an explicit enumerate
Bob: This is what we agreed to
TomRutt: Then why do we need enumerate
Doug: You would have a choice on the pull
Gil: Can we change to pull-enumerate?
<Tom_Rutt> q
Bob: Let's leave issue of the name aside to the time being
<dug> I'd be willing to writeup the proposal
Bob: would this meet your needs
... first pull alsways enumerate
... Can you write the proposal?
Doug: Yes
Li: Explains issue
<dug> LOL
Wu: make only subscribe/unsubscribe as manadtory all else optional
Doug: Should not get rid of
GetStatus
... Other mechanisms are not described in the spec
... defends GetStatus
... cost is negligible
Gil: Impl cost of GetStatus is
low
... optional features in the spec are bad
... Support GetStatus
TomRutt: +1
... GetStatus is fundamental
Bob: So we agree we can drop Renew
Doug: I don't think Renew is that critical but easy to implement
<Tom_Rutt> +1 to dug on keeping renew
Bob: You want to keep the whole set
Wu: Originally Renew and GetStatus were optional
Bob: Any objection toclosing with no action
Wu: We would like only 2 operations subscribe/unsubscribe
TomRutt: Optionality is evil
<gpilz> +1 to Tom
<dug> +1 to tom
<asoldano> +1
TomRutt: cost to implement is very low
Bob: CNA?
No objections. Issue closed with no action
<dug> status of WSDL pointers?
RESOLUTION: Issue 9781 closed with no action
Ram: There will a proposal soon.
<asoldano> bye
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