IRC log of ssn on 2010-05-19
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- Zakim, this will be 7769
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- ok, trackbot; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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- Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
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- Date: 19 May 2010
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- agenda+ Roll call
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- agenda+ Actions from last meetings
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- agenda+ Operational/survival range and restrictions
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- agenda+ Deployments, Systems and Devices
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- agenda+ AOB
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- Chair: Holger
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- Regrets: Cory, Luis
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- INC_SSN()4:00PM has now started
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- zakim, +61.3.623.2.aaaa is me
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- +Holger; got it
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- zakim, IPcaller is me
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Holger, david, Arthur, krzysztof_j, krp
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- On IRC I see krp, krzysztof_j, Arthur, kelsey, Zakim, RRSAgent, Holger, trackbot
- 20:09:45 [krzysztof_j]
- hi
- 20:12:27 [Holger]
- agenda?
- 20:14:03 [krzysztof_j]
- iam
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- -krzysztof_j
- 20:14:46 [Holger]
- ScribeNick: krp
- 20:15:45 [krp]
- Topic: email to Luis re: MMI ontology
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- Holger: sent email; Luis not on call
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:OperatingModel.png
- 20:16:51 [krp]
- Holger: not heard from Payam on operation/survival model
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- 20:17:18 [krzysztof_j]
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- +krzysztof_j; got it
- 20:17:50 [krp]
- Holger: has anyone heard anything from Payam regarding the operating model?
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
- 20:18:50 [krp]
- Topic: alignment of MMI device and platform ontologies and SSN
- 20:19:08 [krp]
- Holger: MMI are aware of the alignment issues; work is in progress
- 20:20:55 [krp]
- Holger: how are deployments being handled? Attached to platform or instrument?
- 20:21:35 [krp]
- ... how are sub-deployments being handled in relation to a new deployment?
- 20:22:06 [krp]
- Which wiki page is this, Holger?
- 20:22:19 [Holger]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
- 20:25:45 [krzysztof_j]
- ack, in this case it is a process
- 20:26:20 [krp]
- Holger: is deployment a state... a lifetime of a system
- 20:26:57 [krp]
- krp: Is deployment an event.. a process that happens to the installation
- 20:26:59 [krzysztof_j]
- yes, i would think so
- 20:28:10 [krzysztof_j]
- entity:sensor participatesIn process:deployment
- 20:28:46 [krp]
- Can you re-deploy the same system instance?
- 20:28:50 [krzysztof_j]
- ack
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- Holger: the deployment is putting the sensors in the field, not the time the sensor is in the field
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- krzysztof_j: and the configuration of the sensors for that environment
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- Holger: three options: the act of putting the system in the field
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- ... the time the system is in the field
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- ... the configuration of the system for that environment
- 20:33:35 [krp]
- indeed - does it matter
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- ?
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- kelsey: we need to remember that many sensor are not static. Data from them moves in space and time.
- 20:40:55 [krp]
- In the wider framework of: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts
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- Holger: would it make sense to have an act of deployment, which is a process? Construction and deconstruction
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- 20:42:56 [michael]
- zakim, IPcaller is me
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- +michael; got it
- 20:43:44 [kelsey]
- installed = commissioned and uninstalled = decomissioned?
- 20:43:55 [krp]
- yes, that's clear terminology
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- Arthur: should be some way to represent that the sensor is deployed in one place, and then another
- 20:50:32 [michael]
- I can - but you'll have to catch me up on the bits I just missed
- 20:50:44 [krp]
- What is the intention of the diagram on the wiki from MMI?
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- in relation to whether it's the event of deployment
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- or is it trying to solve being able to resolve when and where an observation was made
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- ?
- 20:51:49 [krp]
- Right.. so what we care about is where the *measurement* was made..
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- ... but we're talking about devices and systems
- 20:53:43 [michael]
- +q
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- Holger: we next need to look at time
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- ack michael
- 20:55:04 [krp]
- michael: dolce has the idea of moving through space and time... so is a location fixed in both time and space?
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- krzysztof_j: entities participating over the lifetime
- 20:56:17 [krzysztof_j]
- locations are participants in the lifetime/deployment of the sensor
- 20:57:16 [krp]
- how is a lifetime scoped? would a given system have more than one? (lifetime ~=deployment?)
- 20:57:34 [kelsey]
- yes
- 20:57:39 [krzysztof_j]
- +1
- 20:58:50 [krp]
- so lifetime/deployment is scoped as between commissioning and decommissioning?
- 20:59:04 [krzysztof_j]
- ok
- 20:59:30 [krzysztof_j]
- yes
- 21:01:21 [krp]
- arthur and holger: lifetime is perhaps misleading, but can define deployment in terms of (de)commissioning
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- kelsey: what is the relationship between the system lifetime and that of the constituent devices
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- do we have to decide if we can model both cases?
- 21:04:21 [michael]
- agreed, those are options our model should allow
- 21:04:35 [krp]
- right, to whatever granularity is appropriate
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- +q
- 21:05:29 [krp]
- Yes, many thanks!
- 21:05:47 [krzysztof_j]
- YES, thanks holger!
- 21:05:49 [kelsey]
- Thank you Holger and best wishes in your new pursuits!
- 21:05:57 [krp]
- michael: thanks to Holger for his work chairing the group
- 21:06:59 [krzysztof_j]
- bye bye
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Holger, david, Arthur, krzysztof_j, krp, michael
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-ssn-minutes.html Holger
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items