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13:50:09 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 13:50:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-rdfa-irc 13:50:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:50:11 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #rdfa 13:50:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332 13:50:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 13:50:14 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference 13:50:14 <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2011 13:50:57 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0089.html 13:51:12 <manu1> Chair: Manu 13:55:08 <Benjamin> Benjamin has joined #rdfa 14:02:17 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 14:02:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:02:23 <manu1> zakim, i am IPcaller 14:02:23 <Zakim> ok, manu1, I now associate you with [IPcaller] 14:02:40 <Zakim> +??P22 14:02:41 <Zakim> -??P22 14:02:41 <Zakim> +??P22 14:02:49 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P22 14:02:49 <Zakim> +webr3; got it 14:02:51 <Zakim> +??P24 14:02:57 <ivan> zakim, ??P24 is me 14:02:58 <Zakim> +ivan; got it 14:04:25 <Zakim> +ivan.a 14:05:05 <manu1> zakim, ivan.a is benjamin 14:05:05 <Zakim> +benjamin; got it 14:05:26 <Benjamin> scribenick: benjamin 14:05:37 <manu1> Present: Ivan, Nathan, Benjamin, Manu, MarkB 14:05:39 <manu1> Regrets: Steven, ShaneM, Knud 14:06:04 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call? 14:06:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], webr3, ivan, benjamin 14:07:08 <Benjamin> Topic: Remaining 1st Last Call Issues 14:07:55 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8 14:07:58 <Benjamin> Manu: We have a number of official responses that we're waiting on for the comment submitter to respond. We have asked them to respond at least once, in some cases we've asked them to respond several times, we have publicly announced several times when we were going into 2nd Last Call. I think it's safe to close these issues as we've taken them into account, agreed to make changes based on most of the comments, and implemented those changes in the RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 documents. 14:12:34 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84. 14:12:48 <manu1> +1 14:12:50 <Benjamin> Benjamin: +1 14:12:52 <ivan> +1 14:12:53 <webr3> +1 14:12:55 <manu1> RESOLVED: Close the following issues, official response was sent, multiple reminders to respond were sent to each comment submitter: ISSUE-46, ISSUE-66, ISSUE-67, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-72, ISSUE-73, ISSUE-74, ISSUE-76, ISSUE-78, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-80, ISSUE-81, ISSUE-82, ISSUE-84. 14:13:31 <Benjamin> manu: next issue is described on mailing list 14:13:38 <manu1> Subtopic: XML+RDFa spec bug 14:13:40 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0100.html 14:17:21 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/#evaluation-context 14:18:31 <manu1> Step 13: the parent subject is set to the value of new subject, if non-null, or the value of the parent subject of the current evaluation context; 14:19:32 <webr3> step 6: "otherwise, if parent object is present, new subject is set to the value of parent object. Additionally, if @property is not present then the skip element flag is set to 'true';" 14:21:39 <manu1> Manu: Woops, I misread the specification - there is no issue with 2-level nesting and subjects being set. 14:21:39 <manu1> Ivan: The tests are correct and the spec is consistent. 14:21:52 <markbirbeck> markbirbeck has joined #rdfa 14:22:44 <Benjamin> rrsagent, make minutes 14:22:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin 14:23:29 <manu1> Ivan: Separate concern - do we want to set the new subject to the document for XML+RDFa? 14:23:40 <manu1> Ivan: Concerned about adding this at such a late stage. 14:25:38 <manu1> PROPOSAL: XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject. 14:25:47 <webr3> +1 14:25:48 <ivan> +1 14:25:49 <manu1> +1 14:25:52 <Benjamin> Benjamin: +1 14:25:57 <manu1> RESOLVED: XML+RDFa does not assume an about="" on the root element. If authors want to generate a triple, they must explicitly set the subject. 14:26:27 <manu1> Topic: IRI vs URI Reference 14:26:27 <manu1> Ivan: Do we want to resolve the issues that Mischa raised? 14:29:02 <Benjamin> manu: I think they're editorial. The reason we use URI references instead of IRIs is because we are more concerned about the value space (which URI References discuss) than we are about the lexical space (which IRIs discuss). We wanted to talk about URIs as a sequences of characters that RDFa Processors generate. 14:29:43 <webr3> Nathan: What about relative URI-refs = ../ 14:29:59 <Benjamin> the issue of mischa is: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/87 14:31:00 <webr3> "URI" 14:31:10 <webr3> IRI or URI (no reference) 14:33:15 <Benjamin> Ivan: We state clearly in the specification that we don't allow relative references to be generated by the processor. 14:33:17 <Benjamin> manu: We should wait for Shane to be on the call for resolving this. 14:34:03 <Zakim> -benjamin 14:35:29 <Zakim> +benjamin 14:37:48 <manu1> Ivan: This is editorial in my view 14:37:51 <manu1> Manu: I agree 14:37:51 <Benjamin> ivan: The change is editorial, we should leave it to Shane in my view 14:38:40 <webr3> I agree too, editorial 14:39:12 <Benjamin> benjamin: as far as i understood it, it seems to be editorial 14:40:10 <Benjamin> Topic: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 2nd Last Call 14:40:11 <Benjamin> manu: Any other open issues before the second last call? 14:41:08 <Benjamin> the group is not aware of any open issues 14:41:34 <manu1> These are the documents we're asserting should go to 2nd Last Call: 14:41:43 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/ 14:41:49 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/xhtml-rdfa/ 14:43:47 <Benjamin> manu: Publication date will be march, 29 14:44:24 <manu1> PROPOSAL: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date. 14:44:45 <ivan> +1 14:44:46 <webr3> +1 14:44:46 <Benjamin> Benjamin: +1 14:44:48 <manu1> +1 14:45:08 <markbirbeck> +1 14:45:29 <manu1> Knud is a +1 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0099.html) 14:45:49 <manu1> RESOLVED: RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 should proceed into the 2nd Last Call with a publication date targeted at March 29th with a Last Call period of 3 weeks from the publication date. 14:47:19 <Benjamin> manu: We need to send out a 2nd LC notification as a W3C news item, right? 14:47:22 <Benjamin> ivan: yes 14:47:31 <manu1> Topic: RDFa API 14:48:24 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/ 14:48:25 <manu1> Manu: The updates were discussed on the mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Mar/0084.html 14:48:25 <manu1> Ivan: I like the changes, good direction - how do you get a list of all subjects or all types? 14:49:31 <webr3> document.getItemsByType(type) 14:50:01 <Benjamin> ivan: how do i know what types are availlable in the document 14:50:48 <ivan> Ivan: I think we need - document.getSubjects() 14:51:03 <Benjamin> ivan: you need a method like that to get all subjects available, otherwise you don't know what to query for... 14:51:18 <webr3> why does HTML not have that? document.getElementByID(id) how do I know the id's? 14:51:33 <webr3> how do you know which rel's, classes etc? 14:52:25 <Benjamin> ivan: For example I want to highlight the RDF triples in the document. But were do I start? 14:52:57 <webr3> use the RDF API?? 14:50:48 <ivan> Ivan: No, using the RDF API is an advanced feature - we have simplified the RDFa API down to something that doesn't even need to mention triples - that is a good thing, let's not over-complicate it. 14:54:31 <webr3> document.data.getItemsByWhatever( s , p , o ) 14:54:50 <webr3> (leave all null to get all objects) :) 14:55:44 <ivan> q+ 14:56:33 <manu1> ack ivan 14:56:54 <Benjamin> q+ 14:57:09 <webr3> it's just merging the functions .getItemBySubject(type) and .getItemsByProperty(property, optional value) together though? still cuts in two 14:59:41 <webr3> not the getElements... RDF API doesn't handle them, only RDFa API does 15:00:29 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/#document-data 15:01:58 <Benjamin> Manu: We may also rip .parse() out of there since we don't need it, we currently do this: 15:01:59 <manu1> var obj = document.data.parse("http://example.com"); 15:02:08 <manu1> document.data.rdfa.parse("http://example.com"); 15:02:25 <Benjamin> Manu: but we could do something like this to simplify things: 15:02:26 <manu1> var doc = CreateDocument(XMLHttpRequest("http://example.com")); 15:02:33 <manu1> doc.data.query(...); 15:02:57 <webr3> it's the "the keep can of worms closed" approach :) 15:05:44 <Zakim> -webr3 15:06:03 <Benjamin> rrsagent, make minutes 15:06:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin 15:09:34 <Benjamin> rrsagent, make minutes 15:09:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin 15:10:51 <Zakim> -benjamin 15:11:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/blog/admin.php?blog=13 15:12:16 <ivan> zakim, mute me 15:12:16 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted 15:12:18 <Zakim> -[IPcaller] 15:12:18 <Zakim> -ivan 15:12:18 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 15:12:20 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], webr3, ivan, benjamin # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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