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13:46:12 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 13:46:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-irc 13:46:37 <ivan> ivan has left #rdfa 13:47:12 <manu> manu has changed the topic to: RDFa WG Telecon. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0194.html (manu) 13:47:15 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0194.html 13:47:22 <manu> trackbot, start meeting 13:47:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:47:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332 13:47:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes 13:47:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference 13:47:27 <trackbot> Date: 25 March 2010 13:47:43 <manu> Chair: Manu Sporny 13:52:29 <jeffs> jeffs has joined #rdfa 14:00:16 <Knud> Knud has joined #rdfa 14:01:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), manu 14:01:27 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 14:01:28 <ShaneM> ShaneM has joined #rdfa 14:01:34 <Zakim> + +03539149aaaa 14:01:36 <Zakim> +??P6 14:01:50 <Zakim> + +1.415.524.aabb 14:01:52 <manu> zakim, I am ??P6 14:01:52 <Zakim> +manu; got it 14:02:21 <jeffs> zakim, I am aabb 14:02:21 <Zakim> +jeffs; got it 14:02:33 <Zakim> +McCarron 14:02:42 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM 14:02:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it 14:03:41 <manu> zakim, who is making noise? 14:03:53 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +03539149aaaa (40%), manu (100%), jeffs (3%) 14:04:54 <Zakim> +knud; got it 14:07:22 <manu> zakim, pick a victim 14:07:22 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose manu 14:07:26 <manu> zakim, pick a victim 14:07:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose knud (muted) 14:07:50 <Benjamin> Benjamin has joined #rdfa 14:08:33 <manu> Present: Jeff, Manu, Shane, Abhijit, Knud, Benjamin 14:14:32 <Benjamin> scribenick: Benjamin 14:14:33 <Benjamin> Topic: Action Items 14:08:19 <manu> ACTION: Shane to prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD 14:08:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01]. 14:08:57 <manu> ACTION: Jeff to prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 14:08:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2010-04-01]. 14:10:00 <Zakim> + +49.631.205.7.aacc 14:10:28 <Knud> zakim, aacc is Benjamin 14:10:28 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it 14:11:44 <manu> ACTION: Shane to prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. 14:11:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01]. 14:12:40 <Benjamin> scribenick: Benjamin 14:13:24 <manu> ACTION: Benjamin to prepare RDFa API document for FPWD 14:13:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Prepare RDFa API document for FPWD [on Benjamin Adrian - due 2010-04-01]. 14:14:24 <manu> April 1st - Editors have a FPWD Editors Draft document published via 14:14:26 <manu> a W3C URL (though cvs.w3.org) 14:14:28 <manu> April 8th - Any Editors Draft corrections are made 14:14:30 <manu> April 15th - Notification to W3C Pubs to publish RDFa WG FPWDs 14:14:31 <manu> April 22nd - Slack time 14:15:12 <Benjamin> manu: Does this timeline for creating first drafts of FPWD drafts look good? Any objections to the timeline? 14:15:35 <Benjamin> ... three documents by April, 15 14:15:39 <jeffs> +1 on timeline & tasks 14:16:04 <Benjamin> ... any changes on the agenda? 14:16:00 <Benjamin> Topic: RDFa Vocabulary Proposal in FPWD 14:16:22 <manu> http://doodle.com/uqe9pxru7eu8n7d8 14:17:43 <Benjamin> Manu: The straw poll items that have strong support are going to be part of the RDFa 1.1 FPWD specification 14:18:01 <jeffs> I can live with the external documents part, and I am very hesitant with pulling in external documents. 14:18:33 <Benjamin> Toby and Jeff do not agree with having an external document 14:19:54 <Benjamin> Jeff: it's more a hesitation than disagreement 14:21:20 <jeffs> expressed my concerns about having external document(s) and liking of xmlns: namespace approach 14:22:17 <Benjamin> Manu: We have discussed much on this concern on the mailing list - the downsides with having an external document. There is support to put it in the FPWD, let's do that and then see how the community responds to the FPWD. 14:23:25 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100305/ 14:23:48 <Benjamin> ... Ivan is going to update the document above 14:24:16 <Benjamin> ... a similar version is in the rdfa.info wiki 14:25:15 <jeffs> I see no consensus on the 'combination of prefixes and keywords into a single "list of mappings" concept' proposal 14:25:22 <Benjamin> ... we should keep prefixes and keywords in separate documents. Any objections on not combining prefixes/keywords in the FPWD document? 14:25:25 <Benjamin> ... No objections, moving on. 14:25:28 <Knud> Topic: @token Proposal in FPWD 14:26:36 <Benjamin> ... token proposal is not going into the RDFa 1.1 document, no support for it as of right now. Any objections to @token proposal not going in RDFa document? 14:27:01 <Benjamin> ... Hearing none, let's move on. 14:27:16 <Benjamin> Topic: Default prefix proposal in FPWD 14:28:06 <manu> <div vocab="http://example.org/vocab#"><span property="foo">prop</span></div> 14:28:30 <manu> <> http://example.org/vocab#foo "prop" . 14:28:59 <Knud> vocab is good 14:29:01 <jeffs> vocab is simple and expressive 14:29:10 <Benjamin> Shane: I really like vocab 14:30:14 <Benjamin> manu: vocab is going to be in RDFa 1.1 FPWD spec 14:31:01 <jeffs> +1 to keeping sep until more discussion 14:31:46 <Benjamin> ... prefixes and keywords are kept separate for now 14:32:36 <Benjamin> ShaneM: No objections to keep them separate for now 14:32:40 <Benjamin> Topic: Alternative to xmlns: in FPWD 14:33:08 <manu> General agreement that RDFa 1.1 should have a mechanism to express mappings that does not depend on xmlns: (for example: @token, @vocab or @map) 14:33:24 <Benjamin> manu: We haven't really talked about the exact mechanism behind this 14:34:21 <manu> One option: prefix="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../" token="Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person" 14:35:03 <manu> Second option: prefix="foaf: http://xmlns.com/.../" <--- prefixes can only be set, tokens are only set in RDFa Profile documents. 14:35:22 <Benjamin> ... explains options for defining prefixes and tokens 14:35:44 <manu> Third option: map="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../; Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person;" 14:36:35 <jeffs> I do not think we have talked about this enough to do much of anything "on paper" 14:37:36 <jeffs> the previous stuff has an effect upon this issue 14:39:15 <Zakim> +??P7 14:39:28 <Benjamin> ... Ok, then an alternative to xmlns: is not going into the FPWD RDFa 1.1 Core document yet, but there is strong support for such a mechanism. We'll work out the details over the next couple of weeks. 14:40:10 <Benjamin> Manu: Do Shane and Benjamin feel that they have enough information to proceed with editing the documents. Is there anything else they need to complete RDFa Core 1.1 FPWD, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 FPWD and RDFa DOM API FPWD? 14:41:13 <Benjamin> ... We have a tight schedule 14:40:10 <Benjamin> ... Ok, we're expecting draft FPWD documents to be available in W3C CVS by next Thursday. We'll review, make changes and get them to W3C Pubs by April 15th. Meeting adjourned. 14:41:36 <Zakim> -knud 14:41:40 <Zakim> -jeffs 14:43:25 <Benjamin> rrsagent, make minutes 14:43:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin 14:44:00 <Zakim> -Benjamin 14:53:18 <mgylling> mgylling has joined #rdfa 15:11:24 <markbirbeck> markbirbeck has joined #rdfa 15:21:07 <Zakim> -ShaneM 15:21:09 <Zakim> -manu 15:21:12 <Zakim> -??P7 15:21:14 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 15:21:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +03539149aaaa, +1.415.524.aabb, manu, jeffs, ShaneM, knud, +49.631.205.7.aacc, Benjamin # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000123