IRC log of swcg on 2010-02-24

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13:30:30 [ivan]
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Meeting: SW CG Meeting
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Chair: Ivan
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Regrets: Tom, Michael
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SW_CG()9:00AM has now started
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+[IPcaller]
13:59:22 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-voi[
13:59:23 [Zakim]
I am sorry, ivan; I do not know a number for ivan-voi[
13:59:27 [manu]
zakim, I am IPcaller
13:59:27 [Zakim]
ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
13:59:35 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-voip
13:59:35 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+ChrisW
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+Sandro
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+mscottm
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+[CubeSpace]
14:01:45 [jar]
zakim, cubespace is jar
14:01:45 [Zakim]
+jar; got it
14:05:03 [ivan]
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07
14:05:09 [ivan]
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-site-meta-05
14:05:17 [mscottm]
jar: 2 RFC drafts, at least 1 or both are in last call
14:06:05 [mscottm]
..these are related to linked data, and could provide a story
14:06:25 [ivan]
scribenick: mscottm
14:06:30 [ivan]
scribe: Scott
14:06:34 [mscottm]
..OpenID application and WebFinger is related
14:06:49 [mscottm]
..Let's start with CiteMeta and WebFinger
14:07:33 [mscottm]
..Everybody has a user id. WebFinger - Associate metadata with e-mail address.
14:08:20 [mscottm]
WebFinger - take hostname out of e-mail address to recreate finger functionality
14:08:27 [jar]
google for webfinger... look google code site
14:08:42 [ivan]
http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/
14:09:02 [mscottm]
jar: WebFinger is from Yahoo
14:09:53 [mscottm]
..You could perform an analogous exercise with RDF, i.e. with RDF, get FOAF files
14:10:20 [mscottm]
..1 piece of metadata that you're looking for is a public key.
14:11:22 [mscottm]
CalDAV and Mozilla Autoconfig are using similar mechanisms to discover metadata
14:12:19 [mscottm]
jar: Next about the 'link header', for providing typed links between resources, was in http 1.0, removed in http 1.1
14:13:00 [mscottm]
..It's the essence of Semantic Web because you're linking resources (no RDF but the essence is there)
14:13:46 [jar]
link: vs. <link>
14:13:50 [mscottm]
..There is a certain response 'information ???'. How do you get triples for those resources?
14:14:31 [mscottm]
..If the doc has HTML, then it may give you a linked element, that points you to further information.
14:15:01 [mscottm]
..but it is hard/impractical to get the information from the doc itself
14:15:27 [mscottm]
..If the doc is text/plain, how do you find out who the author is?
14:16:06 [mscottm]
..It helps to have them separated (link and resource type).
14:16:42 [Zakim]
-ChrisW
14:16:50 [mscottm]
..One possible solution: You could use a redirect service to provide the metadata.
14:16:53 [jar]
<link> element may describe the representation (content), but not the resource per se
14:19:11 [mscottm]
..So, http 'link header' is another route to get metadata and all that's needed to make it work is a simple agreement (W3C note or something).
14:19:21 [ivan]
q?
14:19:26 [manu]
q+
14:19:43 [manu]
http://payswarm.com/specs/web-api-discovery.html
14:20:05 [jar]
cool
14:20:19 [ivan]
q+
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ack manu
14:21:09 [mscottm]
manu: [Q] We've got URL's that use a protocol, preferably using REST, maybe JSON. We're thinking about hanging an API Manifest off the web pages.
14:22:30 [mscottm]
..Keywords that are associated with different URL's via the protocol
14:23:08 [ivan]
q?
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ack ivan
14:23:20 [manu]
zakim, IPcaller is manu
14:23:20 [Zakim]
+manu; got it
14:23:25 [manu]
zakim, [IPcaller] is manu
14:23:25 [Zakim]
sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
14:23:34 [manu]
zakim, +IPcaller is manu
14:23:34 [Zakim]
sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
14:24:48 [mscottm]
ivan: [Q] You mentioned that TAG was interested by this. What is the legal status now? Could it be official in 6 months?
14:25:24 [mscottm]
jar: It's out there and waiting for recommendation.
14:26:02 [mscottm]
ivan: [Q2] Let's say that I want to set up my website to return link headers. Can I do that simply with apache?
14:26:20 [mscottm]
jar: I've done it in apache and it's a one liner.
14:26:55 [mscottm]
s/IETF/TAG/
14:27:55 [mscottm]
jar: (IETF) There was some resistance to linked header but it's been generally accepted.
14:28:26 [mscottm]
ivan: manu might want to pass that on to the RDF WG.
14:28:29 [jar]
some on the TAG didn't want link: to compete with <link>
14:28:32 [ivan]
q?
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q=
14:28:57 [mscottm]
All: thanks Jonathan!
14:29:03 [Zakim]
-jar
14:29:13 [ivan]
Topic: Admin
14:29:28 [ivan]
Minutes of last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swcg-minutes.html
14:29:51 [ivan]
Topic: Next meeting
14:29:56 [manu]
zakim, who is on the call?
14:29:56 [Zakim]
On the phone I see manu, Ivan, Sandro, mscottm
14:30:48 [ivan]
Topic: AOB
14:31:29 [mscottm]
manu: HTML 5 wanted to drop @ profile from head completely, as of last Friday that carried.
14:32:42 [mscottm]
..Julian, ???, and myself were proposing to bring profile back to HTML 5 and allow it on every element. RDFa will benefit. Microdata would probably benefit.
14:33:18 [mscottm]
ivan: Noting that GRDDL becomes unusable without the @ for HTML 5
14:33:25 [manu]
s/\?\?\?/Tantek/
14:33:54 [mscottm]
ivan: Anything CG can/should do?
14:34:31 [mscottm]
manu: We'll publish in about a month (March) so let's wait until everyone has something to consider.
14:37:29 [mscottm]
scott: Shared Names is making progress on agreeing on a URI format for gene id's. Essential PURL infrastructure is almost there.
14:37:53 [mscottm]
ivan: Maybe someone could talk about Shared Names at an upcoming SWCG meeting.
14:38:31 [Zakim]
-manu
14:38:46 [sandro]
sandro: No, RIF wont be at PR next meeting.
14:38:49 [mscottm]
tx
14:38:57 [sandro]
zakim, who is on the call
14:38:57 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro
14:38:59 [sandro]
zakim, who is on the call?
14:38:59 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ivan, Sandro, mscottm
14:39:11 [ivan]
rssagent, draft minutes
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-mscottm
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+ChrisW
14:46:15 [danbri]
oh my apologies; I forgot to send regrets :(
14:47:45 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-swcg-minutes.html ivan
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-ChrisW
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-Ivan
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-Sandro
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SW_CG()9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Ivan, ChrisW, Sandro, mscottm, jar, manu
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