IRC log of swcg on 2010-02-24
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- Meeting: SW CG Meeting
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- Chair: Ivan
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- Regrets: Tom, Michael
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- SW_CG()9:00AM has now started
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- +[IPcaller]
- 13:59:22 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voi[
- 13:59:23 [Zakim]
- I am sorry, ivan; I do not know a number for ivan-voi[
- 13:59:27 [manu]
- zakim, I am IPcaller
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- ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
- 13:59:35 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voip
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- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
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- +ChrisW
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- +Sandro
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- +mscottm
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- +[CubeSpace]
- 14:01:45 [jar]
- zakim, cubespace is jar
- 14:01:45 [Zakim]
- +jar; got it
- 14:05:03 [ivan]
- http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07
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- http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-site-meta-05
- 14:05:17 [mscottm]
- jar: 2 RFC drafts, at least 1 or both are in last call
- 14:06:05 [mscottm]
- ..these are related to linked data, and could provide a story
- 14:06:25 [ivan]
- scribenick: mscottm
- 14:06:30 [ivan]
- scribe: Scott
- 14:06:34 [mscottm]
- ..OpenID application and WebFinger is related
- 14:06:49 [mscottm]
- ..Let's start with CiteMeta and WebFinger
- 14:07:33 [mscottm]
- ..Everybody has a user id. WebFinger - Associate metadata with e-mail address.
- 14:08:20 [mscottm]
- WebFinger - take hostname out of e-mail address to recreate finger functionality
- 14:08:27 [jar]
- google for webfinger... look google code site
- 14:08:42 [ivan]
- http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/
- 14:09:02 [mscottm]
- jar: WebFinger is from Yahoo
- 14:09:53 [mscottm]
- ..You could perform an analogous exercise with RDF, i.e. with RDF, get FOAF files
- 14:10:20 [mscottm]
- ..1 piece of metadata that you're looking for is a public key.
- 14:11:22 [mscottm]
- CalDAV and Mozilla Autoconfig are using similar mechanisms to discover metadata
- 14:12:19 [mscottm]
- jar: Next about the 'link header', for providing typed links between resources, was in http 1.0, removed in http 1.1
- 14:13:00 [mscottm]
- ..It's the essence of Semantic Web because you're linking resources (no RDF but the essence is there)
- 14:13:46 [jar]
- link: vs. <link>
- 14:13:50 [mscottm]
- ..There is a certain response 'information ???'. How do you get triples for those resources?
- 14:14:31 [mscottm]
- ..If the doc has HTML, then it may give you a linked element, that points you to further information.
- 14:15:01 [mscottm]
- ..but it is hard/impractical to get the information from the doc itself
- 14:15:27 [mscottm]
- ..If the doc is text/plain, how do you find out who the author is?
- 14:16:06 [mscottm]
- ..It helps to have them separated (link and resource type).
- 14:16:42 [Zakim]
- -ChrisW
- 14:16:50 [mscottm]
- ..One possible solution: You could use a redirect service to provide the metadata.
- 14:16:53 [jar]
- <link> element may describe the representation (content), but not the resource per se
- 14:19:11 [mscottm]
- ..So, http 'link header' is another route to get metadata and all that's needed to make it work is a simple agreement (W3C note or something).
- 14:19:21 [ivan]
- q?
- 14:19:26 [manu]
- q+
- 14:19:43 [manu]
- http://payswarm.com/specs/web-api-discovery.html
- 14:20:05 [jar]
- cool
- 14:20:19 [ivan]
- q+
- 14:20:36 [ivan]
- ack manu
- 14:21:09 [mscottm]
- manu: [Q] We've got URL's that use a protocol, preferably using REST, maybe JSON. We're thinking about hanging an API Manifest off the web pages.
- 14:22:30 [mscottm]
- ..Keywords that are associated with different URL's via the protocol
- 14:23:08 [ivan]
- q?
- 14:23:16 [ivan]
- ack ivan
- 14:23:20 [manu]
- zakim, IPcaller is manu
- 14:23:20 [Zakim]
- +manu; got it
- 14:23:25 [manu]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is manu
- 14:23:25 [Zakim]
- sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
- 14:23:34 [manu]
- zakim, +IPcaller is manu
- 14:23:34 [Zakim]
- sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
- 14:24:48 [mscottm]
- ivan: [Q] You mentioned that TAG was interested by this. What is the legal status now? Could it be official in 6 months?
- 14:25:24 [mscottm]
- jar: It's out there and waiting for recommendation.
- 14:26:02 [mscottm]
- ivan: [Q2] Let's say that I want to set up my website to return link headers. Can I do that simply with apache?
- 14:26:20 [mscottm]
- jar: I've done it in apache and it's a one liner.
- 14:26:55 [mscottm]
- s/IETF/TAG/
- 14:27:55 [mscottm]
- jar: (IETF) There was some resistance to linked header but it's been generally accepted.
- 14:28:26 [mscottm]
- ivan: manu might want to pass that on to the RDF WG.
- 14:28:29 [jar]
- some on the TAG didn't want link: to compete with <link>
- 14:28:32 [ivan]
- q?
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- q=
- 14:28:57 [mscottm]
- All: thanks Jonathan!
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- -jar
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- Topic: Admin
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- Minutes of last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swcg-minutes.html
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- Topic: Next meeting
- 14:29:56 [manu]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 14:29:56 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see manu, Ivan, Sandro, mscottm
- 14:30:48 [ivan]
- Topic: AOB
- 14:31:29 [mscottm]
- manu: HTML 5 wanted to drop @ profile from head completely, as of last Friday that carried.
- 14:32:42 [mscottm]
- ..Julian, ???, and myself were proposing to bring profile back to HTML 5 and allow it on every element. RDFa will benefit. Microdata would probably benefit.
- 14:33:18 [mscottm]
- ivan: Noting that GRDDL becomes unusable without the @ for HTML 5
- 14:33:25 [manu]
- s/\?\?\?/Tantek/
- 14:33:54 [mscottm]
- ivan: Anything CG can/should do?
- 14:34:31 [mscottm]
- manu: We'll publish in about a month (March) so let's wait until everyone has something to consider.
- 14:37:29 [mscottm]
- scott: Shared Names is making progress on agreeing on a URI format for gene id's. Essential PURL infrastructure is almost there.
- 14:37:53 [mscottm]
- ivan: Maybe someone could talk about Shared Names at an upcoming SWCG meeting.
- 14:38:31 [Zakim]
- -manu
- 14:38:46 [sandro]
- sandro: No, RIF wont be at PR next meeting.
- 14:38:49 [mscottm]
- tx
- 14:38:57 [sandro]
- zakim, who is on the call
- 14:38:57 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro
- 14:38:59 [sandro]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 14:38:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Ivan, Sandro, mscottm
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- rssagent, draft minutes
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- -mscottm
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- +ChrisW
- 14:46:15 [danbri]
- oh my apologies; I forgot to send regrets :(
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-swcg-minutes.html ivan
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- -ChrisW
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- -Ivan
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- -Sandro
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- SW_CG()9:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Ivan, ChrisW, Sandro, mscottm, jar, manu
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