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14:56:29 <Andi> zakim, this will be aapi
14:56:29 <Zakim> ok, Andi; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:40 <Andi> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:57:01 <Andi> scribe: Andi
14:57:13 <Andi> Meeting: AAPI 
14:59:39 <Andi> davidb, I'm ready whenever Cynthia gets here but I'm not dialing in until she does
14:59:51 <davidb> ok me too
15:02:20 <Andi> I only have 1/2 hour today
15:02:24 <Andi> I'm on vacation :)
15:03:21 <Andi> s/davidb, I'm ready whenever Cynthia gets here but I'm not dialing in until she does//
15:03:40 <Andi> s/I'm on vacation :)//
15:03:55 <Andi> s/I only have 1//
15:04:04 <Andi> s/2 hour today//
15:04:26 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi
15:05:12 <Andi> s/ok me too//
15:05:22 <Andi> rrsagent, off
15:10:27 <Zakim> +??P14
15:10:58 <Andi> zakim, ??P14 is David_Bolter
15:10:58 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
15:12:22 <Andi> topic: Tracker Issues and Actions http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
15:14:05 <Andi> Issue 59: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/59
15:14:58 <Andi> db: whether an event causes something to happen on the desktop is up to the desktop
15:15:08 <Andi> MC: user agent would need to tell the OS something
15:15:16 <Andi> MC: need to set expectations about that
15:15:27 <Andi> MC: even if we don't feel they can be made normative
15:15:59 <Andi> DB: if turn on showsounds, which sounds are actually shown today?
15:17:17 <Andi> AS: Cynthia already has action 166 on this issue
15:18:15 <Andi> issue 66: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/61
15:18:24 <Andi> MC: taken care of by forming this task force
15:18:37 <Andi> AS: and decided the UAIG would be normative
15:18:48 <Andi> MC: planning for UAIG to go to LC when WAI-ARIA spec goes to CR
15:20:52 <Andi> issue 80: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/80
15:21:06 <Andi> MC: sounds like it is just a work item - could migrate to a bug
15:21:22 <Andi> action: Andi to create a bug for this and close the issue
15:22:10 <Andi> issue 86: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/86
15:22:27 <Andi> DB: on an implementation level, it's solvable but is the problem what is in the spec
15:22:28 <Andi> ?
15:22:51 <davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#spinbutton
15:23:00 <Andi> DB: looks in spec - says min and max are required
15:23:10 <Andi> MC: one option is to change the spec so they are not required
15:23:17 <Andi> MC: would be topic for Monday meeting
15:24:04 <Andi> MC: even for things that are not technically required, you have to provide them for things to work right
15:24:40 <Andi> DB: at this stage, could we change the values from decimal to string?
15:24:44 <Andi> MC: pretty strong change, why?
15:25:05 <Andi> DB: don't know that I want to, just wondered if it could be on the table for spin values that are not decimals
15:25:15 <Andi> DB: you can still give a decimal value based on the index
15:25:32 <Andi> MC: didn't realize there were spin buttons that didn't have decimal values
15:25:46 <Andi> DB: for example, days of the week
15:26:39 <Andi> MC: sounds like this could be something to consider for ARIA 2.0
15:27:05 <Andi> DB: in progress bar, we added aria-valuetext for these kinds of cases
15:27:24 <Andi> MC: think valuemin and valuemax are not required on progress bars
15:27:43 <Andi> DB: think there is similarity between progress bars, sliders, and spin buttons
15:27:54 <Andi> DB: look different but model is the same
15:28:38 <Andi> action: David to raise this with the ARIA task force
15:29:05 <Andi> issue 87: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/87
15:29:10 <Andi> related to issue 86
15:29:18 <Andi> David to include when raising issue with ARIA TF
15:30:22 <Andi> issue 88: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/88
15:30:31 <Andi> DB: most important thing is not allowing the action to happen
15:31:48 <Andi> action: bug - David to look at issue 88 and current UAIG draft and make a suggested edit
15:32:10 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
15:32:12 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:32:13 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:32:15 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended
15:32:16 <Zakim> Attendees were David_Bolter, Cooper, +1.512.423.aaaa, Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:32:18 <Andi> zakim, bye
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15:32:23 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:32:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi
15:32:37 <Andi> chair: Andi
15:32:40 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:32:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi
15:33:25 <Andi> rrsagent, bye
15:33:25 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-actions.rdf :
15:33:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi to create a bug for this and close the issue [1]
15:33:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-irc#T15-21-22
15:33:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to raise this with the ARIA task force [2]
15:33:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-irc#T15-28-38
15:33:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bug - David to look at issue 88 and current UAIG draft and make a suggested edit [3]
15:33:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-aapi-irc#T15-31-48