IRC log of html-a11y on 2010-01-28

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 28 January 2010
15:58:28 [oedipus]
regrets: Denis_Boudreau,Chaals,Eric_Carlson,Laura_Carlson,Steven_Faulkner,Kelly_Ford,Markku_Hakkinen,Bruce_Lawson,Aurélien_Levy,Sylvia_Pfieffer,David_Singer,Maciej_Stachowiak
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+Gregory_Rosmaita
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+ +0207388aaaa
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zakim, call janina
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ok, janina; the call is being made
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+Janina
16:00:08 [oedipus]
zakim, aaaa is Marco_Ranon
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+Marco_Ranon; got it
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zakim, drop janina
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Janina is being disconnected
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-Janina
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zakim, call janina
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ok, janina; the call is being made
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+Janina
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+Cooper
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+??P8
16:01:14 [Ben]
zakim, ??P8 is Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
16:01:22 [janina]
regrets: Denis Boudreau, Maciej Stachowiak, David Singer, Bruce Lawson, Markku Hakkinen, Eric Carlson, Kelly Ford, aur�en levy, steven faulkner
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+Matt
16:01:45 [janina]
Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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Chair: Janina_Sajka
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agenda: this
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agenda+ Actions Review
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agenda+ reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)
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agenda+ Proposed Consensus Procedures http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
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agenda+ Bugs Review; Grouping; Timelines http://www.w3.org/mid/20100127001325.GE5619@sonata.rednote.net
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agenda+ Proposed Face to Face in U.K.
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agenda+ Table Summary http://www.w3.org/mid/C7412B925ACA454EADB3B6ECF5B960E810F776@TK5EX14MBXC139.redmond.corp.microsoft.com
16:01:55 [janina]
agenda+ next meeting, confirm date/time, choose scribe
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agenda+ New Business
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agenda+ be done
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16:02:41 [oedipus]
zakim, please choose a victim
16:02:41 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Cooper
16:02:51 [oedipus]
zakim, please choose a victim
16:02:51 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Marco_Ranon
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zakim, please choose a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gregory_Rosmaita
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scribe: Marco_Ranon
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+??P22
16:05:13 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P22 is Jon_Gunderson
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+Jon_Gunderson; got it
16:05:21 [Marco_Ranon]
action 2 left open
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Sorry, couldn't find user - 2
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/6
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/2
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/8
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-Jon_Gunderson
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/11
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12
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+??P1
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/16 on Jon G
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+??P16
16:06:38 [Joshue]
zakim, ??P1
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I don't understand '??P1', Joshue
16:06:40 [kliehm]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/
16:06:54 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P22 is Jon_Gunderson
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I already had ??P22 as ShaneM, MichaelC
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zakim, ??P16 is Jon_Gunderson
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+Jon_Gunderson; got it
16:07:11 [Joshue]
zakim, ??P1 is Joshue
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+Joshue; got it
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue should now be muted
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16:09:40 [Marco_Ranon]
no sub teams report today
16:10:09 [kliehm]
Re: ACTION-16 Please check out http://www.wait-till-i.com/2008/01/08/generating-charts-from-accessible-data-tables-using-the-google-charts-api/
16:10:39 [oedipus]
s/no sub teams/JS: no sub teams/
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JS: next item, working on proposed consensus document
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+Cynthia_Shelly
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http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/html/consensus-procedures.html
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JS: Consensus needs to be more than 50 percent plus 1. need to find the sufficient percentage
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+ +1.617.300.aabb - is perhaps WGBH?
16:14:32 [gfreed]
617-300 is wgbh.
16:14:33 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: we want to stop discussing the same issues indefinitely but allow for constructive discussion
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
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JS: any feedback on this document?
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q?
16:15:42 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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+Mike
16:16:31 [Marco_Ranon]
Jon: how do we know when we are ready to submit a decision to WG?
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Jon: there should should be also counter proposals
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MichaelC: counter proposals should go in an appendix
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Cynthia_Shelly: ideally the cycle should take a month weeks
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MichaelC: two weeks for TF discussion
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16:22:39 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: we need to produce change request in the TF before we we are ready to submit to WG
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JS: email discussion is important as well as teleconfs
16:25:59 [Joshue]
thats fine
16:26:13 [gfreed]
sounds fine.
16:28:52 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: do we think we should run web survey ion consensus?
16:29:40 [Marco_Ranon]
Cynthia_Shelly: it was useful in WCAG, as deadline and single reference for discussion
16:30:21 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: can be used to manage the TF work
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JS: we would be able to approve a proposal or provide comments with a survey
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Cynthia_Shelly: survey before the teleconf so people not into the call can still provide feedback
16:33:00 [Marco_Ranon]
MichaelC: call for objections with survey
16:33:14 [Zakim]
+ +1.512.206.aacc
16:33:35 [AllanJ]
zakim, aacc is really allanj
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+allanj; got it
16:33:51 [Marco_Ranon]
MichaelC: call for consensus or for objection?
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JS: should be call for consensus
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Cynthia_Shelly: results of the survey ccould be passed on to the WG to show discussion behind a proposal
16:36:41 [kliehm]
I'm OK with it.
16:36:43 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: should we vote on this today? any objections?
16:36:48 [Marco_Ranon]
OK
16:36:55 [AllanJ]
no objection
16:36:56 [Joshue]
Its fine
16:37:16 [Marco_Ranon]
RESOLVED: the draft consensus procedures document was approved as amended
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JS: next topic, Bugs Review; Grouping; Timelines
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0292.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html
16:39:16 [Laura]
Bugs Proposed to be Accepted
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/accepted
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Bugs Proposed to be Rejected
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/rejected
16:40:09 [Marco_Ranon]
MichaelC: better to tackle the bugs by group
16:42:43 [Marco_Ranon]
MichaelC: there are 10 categories
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JS: questions about the grouping?
16:45:42 [MikeSmith]
amen to what Gregory just said
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q?
16:46:22 [Marco_Ranon]
Jon: suggesting to group by accessibility API mapping
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JS: Jon, do you want to lead on this project?
16:49:08 [Marco_Ranon]
Cynthia_Shelly: Cynthia_Shelly and SteveF already working on something like this
16:50:04 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: if we change group are we still sending a summary change proposal?
16:50:19 [Marco_Ranon]
Cynthia_Shelly: we should due to the importance of summary
16:51:52 [Laura]
Accessibility Change Proposal Status: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
16:53:23 [Laura]
If a change proposal is not completed by the deadline, the issue will be closed without prejudice & deferred to the next version of HTML.
16:56:18 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: need to forward decisions to the WG fairly quickly. Using the proposed groups ould help to focus on the single items
16:56:34 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: can we do that still considering accessibility API?
16:57:34 [Joshue]
zakim, unmute me
16:57:34 [Zakim]
Joshue should no longer be muted
16:57:37 [Joshue]
+q
16:59:21 [Joshue]
Joshue, to say that I agree with setting the rules for the cascade etc. @summary should be in the spec but we are aware of its limitations as a semantically rich long descriptor
16:59:23 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: should we add cascading to the ten topics to be considered after the other groups?
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-q
17:01:31 [Marco_Ranon]
Jon: cascade will help provide arguments for the importance of things like summary but also to explain how things should work re accessibility API
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-kliehm
17:02:07 [Marco_Ranon]
JS: we can add cascade to the other ten groups
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JS: proposing call for consensus on summarynext conf call
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-Jon_Gunderson
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-WGBH?
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MikeSmith: will chair next week
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-Matt
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bye y'all
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-Cooper
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-Gregory_Rosmaita
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-Ben_Caldwell
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-allanj
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
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-Janina
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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-Joshue
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-Marco_Ranon
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-Mike
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were kliehm, Gregory_Rosmaita, +0207388aaaa, Janina, Marco_Ranon, Cooper, Ben_Caldwell, Matt, Jon_Gunderson, Joshue, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.300.aabb, Mike,
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... +1.512.206.aacc, allanj
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