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13:29:52 <ivan> zakim, this will be swcg
13:29:52 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_CG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
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13:30:13 <ivan> Topic: SW CG Telco, 2010-01-27
13:30:17 <ivan> Chair: Ivan
13:30:22 <ivan> Scribe: Chris
13:31:03 <ivan> Regrets: Dave, Lee
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13:58:51 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
13:58:51 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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13:58:54 <Zakim> +Ivan
13:59:52 <Zakim> +??P8
13:59:54 <manu> zakim, I am ??P8
13:59:54 <Zakim> +manu; got it
14:00:08 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
14:00:29 <Zakim> +ChrisW
14:00:54 <ChrisW> Scribe: ChrisW
14:00:54 <ivan> scribenick: ChrisW
14:01:04 <ChrisW> scribenick: ChrisW
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14:03:05 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:03:24 <Zakim> +mscottm
14:05:28 <ChrisW> scott marshall co-charing SWHCLS IG 
14:06:09 <ChrisW> Sandro Hawke, W3C staff contact for RIF, OWL, Sparql, e-gov
14:06:33 <ChrisW> Michael Housenblas from DERI co-chairing RDFRDB
14:06:57 <Zakim> +??P13
14:07:16 <ChrisW> Manu will be co-chairing RDFa WG
14:07:30 <ivan> Topic: Previous minutes
14:07:31 <mhausenblas> s/Housenblas/Hausenblas
14:07:35 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swcg-minutes.html
14:07:37 <TomB> zakim, ??P13 is me
14:07:37 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
14:07:44 <mhausenblas> s/RDFRDB/RDB2RDF
14:08:00 <ivan> Topic: next meeting
14:08:13 <ChrisW> tnx
14:08:13 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept last meeting minutes
14:08:33 <ChrisW> Next meeting in 4 weeks, 24 Feb
14:09:29 <ivan> Topic: HCLS IG
14:12:48 <ChrisW> mscottm: there is a legal entity here (pistoya alliance?) that will stay in touch with W3C
14:13:03 <ChrisW> ...: 6 task forces, 100 people. 
14:13:55 <ChrisW> ...: Bio-rdf working on federation, focused on specific UCs like micro array data
14:14:43 <ChrisW> ... terminology would like "shared names" to be used for "serving terminologies"
14:15:26 <ChrisW> ... linking open drug data for pharma
14:15:38 <TomB> s/pistoya/Pistoia/
14:16:37 <ChrisW> ... clinical observations interop looking at bridging clinical to hospitals with specific technologies
14:16:39 <mhausenblas> q+ re SWObject and RDB2RDF liaison 
14:17:41 <ChrisW> ... translational medicine ontology would like to talk about basic entities in medice
14:19:08 <ChrisW> ... looking at linking from different kinds of data, e.g. text, micro arrays, mris, etc.
14:20:07 <ChrisW> ... NCBO serves up many medical ontologies but no rdf store
14:20:27 <ivan> ack mhausenblas 
14:20:27 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to discuss SWObject and RDB2RDF liaison
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14:20:29 <mhausenblas> ack me
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14:20:34 <ChrisW> s/rdf store/sparql endpoint/
14:20:34 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/26-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03
14:21:02 <Zakim> +??P2
14:21:08 <danbri> zakim, ??P2 is danbri
14:21:08 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
14:21:12 <ChrisW> mhausenblas: some synergy between something from eric and hcls
14:21:39 <IanH> Sorry to be late -- tr
14:21:44 <mhausenblas> s/something/RDB2RDF R2RML
14:21:48 <IanH> trying to dial in now
14:21:54 <ChrisW> mscottm: eric is in a project called uniprot, important proteins resource
14:22:06 <Zakim> +Ian_Horrocks
14:23:03 <ivan> topic: eGov
14:23:09 <IanH> zakim, mute me
14:23:09 <Zakim> Ian_Horrocks should now be muted
14:23:10 <mscottm> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/
14:24:08 <mscottm> A development that I am excited about is the collaborative effort involving HCLS and CWA and the Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics (SIB) to create a SPARQL endpoint for Uniprot. Such an endpoint could make it possible to perform essential bioinformatics information retrieval without ever leaving the comfort of your SPARQL query interface.
14:24:10 <ChrisW> Sandro: UK revealed a "data.gov.uk" website
14:24:40 <mhausenblas> Michael: main difference is that UK is decentralised in principle
14:24:49 <danbri> I very much recommend Jeni Tennison's post about this work - http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/140
14:24:58 <mhausenblas> +1, great summary
14:25:18 <ChrisW> Sandro: lots of data in RDF
14:25:36 <ChrisW> ... egov IG will run 6 projects, 3 are linked data
14:26:07 <mhausenblas> q+ to as re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0033.html
14:26:16 <ChrisW> ... how to link data, strategies for adopting rdf/ld, egov demo
14:26:44 <ChrisW> ...IG open to public
14:26:53 <ivan> ack mhausenblas 
14:26:53 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to as re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0033.html
14:26:53 <mhausenblas> ack me
14:30:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: for Austria and Ireland I can say that there is something happening, yes
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14:30:41 <danbri> see http://mailman.few.vu.nl/pipermail/dutchsemweb-l/2010-January/000018.html [dutchsemweb-l] Topic announce for Semantic Web Meetup on February 12th
14:30:47 <danbri> [dutchsemweb-l] Topic announce for Semantic Web Meetup on February 12th
14:30:53 <danbri> Schedule :
14:30:53 <danbri> 13h00-14h00 Keynote (TBA)
14:30:55 <danbri> 14h00-14h30 Lightning talks (one slide and 2 minutes per talk)
14:30:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: we at DERI prepare it for IE and AT is covered by http://gov.opendata.at
14:30:57 <danbri> 14h30-16h00 Breakouts - split in hands-on/discussion groups.
14:30:59 <danbri> 16h00-16h15 Presentations on the results of the breakout groups
14:31:01 <danbri> 16h15-17h00 Group wide discussion
14:31:03 <danbri> 17h00-.......... Drinks
14:31:04 <ChrisWelty> scribenick: ChrisWelty
14:31:08 <ivan> Topic: RDFa
14:31:24 <IanH> ack
14:31:31 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
14:31:31 <Zakim> Ian_Horrocks should no longer be muted
14:33:25 <ChrisWelty> manu: version of rdfa published in 2008 for xhtml
14:34:33 <ChrisWelty> ... looking at rdfa in html5
14:34:45 <ChrisWelty> ... 15 implementations of rdfa
14:35:09 <danbri> on which, by far the most enthusiastic rdf-implementor for microdata is benjamin nowack - http://bnode.org/blog/2010/01/26/microdata-semantic-markup-for-both-rdfers-and-non-rdfers - i think he overstates things a bit, but he has taken a serious look
14:35:16 <ChrisWelty> ... rdfa adopted by yahoo, digg, ... others
14:35:23 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/rdfa-wg-charter
14:35:40 <ChrisWelty> ... hope to update rdfa to make authoring easier
14:36:13 <ChrisWelty> ... some design decisions coming from micro data
14:37:33 <ChrisWelty> ... also looking at improving URI references
14:37:38 <mhausenblas> minor nit: the link "previous charter" at http://www.w3.org/2009/11/rdfa-wg-charter in fact points to http://www.w3.org/2003/12/swa/dawg-charter.html which is not intended, I think
14:37:45 <ChrisWelty> ... an rdfa javascript api
14:38:28 <danbri> q+ to ask which browser makers said they like microdata api
14:38:39 <ChrisWelty> ... enabling extraction of triples from browsers
14:38:47 <ivan> ack danbri 
14:38:47 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask which browser makers said they like microdata api
14:39:56 <danbri> ah http://blog.foolip.org/2009/08/23/microformats-vs-rdfa-vs-microdata/
14:40:38 <ChrisWelty> manu: some uptake of microdata api from browser vendors
14:40:51 <danbri> will be interesting to compare it with http://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/ 
14:41:17 <ivan> q?
14:42:26 <mscottm> 1+
14:42:59 <ChrisWelty> ivan: having rdfa specified for xml languages in general
14:44:06 <ChrisWelty> ... odf already uses rdfa
14:44:08 <danbri> q+ to ask about scope of xml languages (I looked at xmltv examples this week, and their use of attributes makes me wonder how rdfa would fit) 
14:44:59 <ivan> ack danbri 
14:44:59 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask about scope of xml languages (I looked at xmltv examples this week, and their use of attributes makes me wonder how rdfa would fit)
14:45:15 <mhausenblas> other RDFa host languages see http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Host_Languages
14:45:16 <ChrisWelty> danbri: all XML langs?
14:45:53 <danbri> eg http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat ?
14:46:07 <danbri>   <programme start="20080715003000 -0600" stop="20080715010000 -0600" channel="I10436.labs.zap2it.com"> ...</>
14:46:15 <ChrisWelty> ivan: scope is to define attributes so that any xml lang can pick them up
14:46:24 <IanH> zakim, mute me
14:46:24 <Zakim> Ian_Horrocks should now be muted
14:49:18 <ChrisWelty> manu: will work with some better than others.  XMLTV format is a good example
14:50:20 <ivan> topic: aob
14:50:25 <ChrisWelty> Topic: AOB
14:50:41 <ChrisWelty> Tom: looking at incubator group on semantic libraries
14:50:58 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask re the CH XG
14:51:10 <manu> s/is a good example/is an example of something that RDFa may not be a good solution./g
14:51:49 <danbri> q+ to say 'semantic' is a word that hasn't worked well
14:52:07 <ivan> ack mhausenblas 
14:52:07 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask re the CH XG
14:52:35 <ivan> q+
14:52:41 <mscottm> antoine?
14:52:42 <ivan> ack danbri 
14:52:42 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to say 'semantic' is a word that hasn't worked well
14:52:58 <TomB> Antoine Isaac
14:53:02 <mscottm> tx
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14:53:22 <manu> +1
14:53:25 <mhausenblas> +1
14:53:36 <manu> q+
14:53:45 <mhausenblas> maybe CH Data XG ?
14:54:05 <danbri> I like 'Cultural Heritage'
14:54:10 <mhausenblas> let's not overuse linked yadayada, though
14:54:17 <mhausenblas> yep, I think CH is good
14:54:19 <danbri> leave 'Semantic Web' as a techincal term in stds community
14:54:23 <sandro> q+
14:54:25 <mhausenblas> maybe only CH XG?
14:54:33 <sandro> q-
14:54:33 <ivan> ack manu
14:55:11 <sandro> I also think "Semantic" is a problem, but we can't just rename everything.   Introducing Linked Data in parallel is our best bet, which is what we're doing.
14:55:24 <sandro> Also, "Semantic" does help get funding for some folks.
14:56:44 <ivan> ack ivan
14:57:27 <ChrisW> ivan: last week f2f meeting in NY visited NY Times
14:58:06 <ChrisW> evan sandhaus is the contact
14:58:18 <sandro> evan@nytimes.com
14:59:02 <IanH> OK -- bye!
14:59:04 <Zakim> -ChrisW
14:59:06 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
14:59:07 <Zakim> -Ian_Horrocks
14:59:09 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:59:10 <Zakim> -manu
14:59:18 <Zakim> -mscottm
14:59:22 <Zakim> -danbri
15:01:22 <Zakim> -TomB
15:01:26 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:01:28 <Zakim> SW_CG()9:00AM has ended
15:01:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, manu, mhausenblas, ChrisW, Sandro, mscottm, TomB, danbri, Ian_Horrocks
15:01:33 <ivan> zakim, bye
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15:01:45 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swcg-minutes.html ivan
15:01:55 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
15:02:03 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swcg-minutes.html ivan
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