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19:50:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
19:50:07 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2010
19:50:21 <Holger> Regrets: Oscar, Manfred
19:50:27 <Holger> Chair: Holger
19:50:40 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:50:56 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meeting
19:51:04 <Holger> agenda+ Next steps for SSN Ontology
19:51:12 <Holger> agenda+ XG Report
19:51:21 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
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19:55:49 <Payam> zakim, ??p4 is me
19:55:49 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
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19:56:30 <Holger> zakim, ??P5 is me
19:56:30 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
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19:56:44 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phonne?
19:56:44 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Holger.
19:56:50 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
19:56:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +90505925aabb, Payam, Holger
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19:58:22 <laurent_oz> ??P6
19:58:53 <Danh_DERI> +90505925aabb is me
19:59:19 <laurent_oz> +??P6 is me
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20:01:31 <Holger> Regrets: Oscar, Manfred, Kevin
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20:01:54 <Arthur> zakim, ??P8 is me
20:01:54 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
20:01:57 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
20:02:09 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +61.4.097.8.aacc (9%)
20:03:21 <Zakim> +??P9
20:03:32 <krzysztof_j> zakim, ??P9 is me
20:03:32 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
20:03:50 <kerryt> zakim, +61.4.097.8 is me
20:03:50 <Zakim> +kerryt; got it
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20:05:58 <michael> zakim, ??P10 is me
20:05:58 <Zakim> +michael; got it
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20:07:00 <kerryt> zakim, who's making noise?
20:07:16 <Zakim> kerryt, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
20:07:32 <Holger> agenda?
20:07:49 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aadd
20:10:02 <Holger> ScribeNick: Payam
20:10:49 <Payam> Laurent to add terminology to the wiki
20:11:04 <laurent_oz> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Sensor_types#Status_of_SensorML
20:11:04 <laurent_oz> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Sensor_types#Metrology.2C_Measurement_and_Ontology
20:12:08 <Payam> Laurent: there is no recent progress to SensorML 
20:13:07 <laurent_oz> +q
20:13:40 <Payam> Laurent: there is co-relation between semantic markup and use case 2 - data discovery
20:14:15 <Payam> Cory: with can take the same approach with data discovery use case 
20:15:38 <laurent_oz> Technical use case for the Semantic Markup deliv.
20:15:39 <laurent_oz> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Review_of_semantic_annotation_proposals
20:15:50 <Payam> Laurent: looking at semantic annotation appendix- using of URN's in OGC related standards 
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20:16:41 <Payam> Laurent: there are different types of URN's- in which context it will be used for individual calsses or properties 
20:17:26 <Zakim> + +0797376aaee
20:17:38 <krp> zakim, +0797376aaee is me
20:17:38 <Zakim> +krp; got it
20:17:56 <Payam> Laurent: new possibility is adapting semantic web standard(?)
20:17:59 <Payam> +q
20:18:34 <laurent_oz> -q
20:18:54 <Holger> ack Payam
20:20:31 <Payam> Laurent: there are SW standards such as SKOS which can be used 
20:21:42 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
20:21:55 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +90505925aabb (18%), ??P6 (100%), kerryt (9%)
20:22:27 <Payam> Payam: the properties in SKOS are those such as broader, narrower, relatd; are those suffcient for what we need to annotation?
20:22:35 <kerryt> +q
20:23:21 <Holger> ack kerryt
20:24:05 <Payam> Kerry: Laurent view is valid from OGC point of view; if we can stick to using SW standards
20:25:19 <Payam>  Laurent: we want to provide a solution that makes a corret use of W3C standards
20:26:02 <Payam> Kerry: if we really need using URN's?
20:27:02 <Payam> next item in the agenda: Next steps for SSN Ontology
20:28:11 <Payam> Michael: the new version includes some changes- subsystem relation, concept sensor, sensing device are added
20:28:12 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:28:47 <Payam> other changes are: adding object properites- in has been updates according the results of last couple of weeks discussions
20:29:25 <Payam> Arthour: what is relation between sensing and process?
20:29:54 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:30:38 <Payam> [correcting previous line] Arthur: what is relation between a sensing and event
20:31:00 <Payam> Michael: sensor makes some observation
20:31:50 <krzysztof_j> yes
20:32:00 <Payam> Arthur: and other is relation between - having a top level class for event and process 
20:32:20 <Payam> Holger: maybe processes we have are different
20:32:33 <cory> +q
20:33:04 <Holger> ack cory
20:33:22 <michael> +q
20:33:30 <Payam> cory: from the wiki- observation is not a process - sensing is the process - this seem to be different from OGC's definition
20:33:37 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:33:51 <Holger> ack michael
20:34:12 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:34:33 <Payam> Cory: we have two different terms: sensing and observation
20:34:35 <krzysztof_j> but then observation is not an event
20:34:51 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:35:37 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:35:58 <cory> +1
20:36:04 <Payam> Michael, the observation we have got in the ontology is more the record and less the event
20:36:12 <krzysztof_j> (if this is interesting; i could try to make links to dolce for the next meetings)
20:36:26 <michael> sounds good
20:36:39 <Danh_DERI> +1
20:36:43 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:37:09 <michael> +q
20:37:35 <krzysztof_j> yes
20:38:30 <krp> Perhaps this would be good to have a summary mail to the list a few days before the next telcon so we can consider it
20:38:39 <krp> Seems like it's quite a subtle issue
20:39:17 <krp> +1, as this goes on, I'm less clear on what our events are!
20:39:26 <Payam> Michael: sensing is not an event
20:39:40 <krzysztof_j> (see D18, page 14 for the dolce top level (event,...))
20:39:53 <cory> +q
20:39:59 <laurent_oz> +q
20:40:38 <Payam> Michael: we may need to change our defintion of observation
20:40:39 <kerryt> michael: if an "event" is the same as a "record of an event" then the ontology is sound as is. is that what is wanted?
20:41:00 <michael> but they are different observations
20:41:25 <laurent_oz> The various meaning of Process (in the general sense) sourced from wikipedia are listed here
20:41:25 <laurent_oz> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Wikipedia_terms
20:42:01 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:42:17 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:42:23 <kerryt> -1
20:42:27 <Holger> ack michael
20:42:35 <Holger> ack cory
20:42:36 <michael> +q
20:42:45 <Holger> ack laurent_oz
20:42:46 <krp> +1 krzysztof
20:43:10 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:43:23 <kerryt> +1 krzystof: take to mailing list
20:43:23 <Payam> Action for all, to consider observation as record and observation as an event and how to represent it in the ontology
20:43:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for
20:43:36 <Holger> ack michael
20:43:50 <Payam> to continute the discussion in the mailing list
20:44:10 <Payam> Holger: where and how to extend the ontology
20:44:15 <michael> or the tracker
20:44:44 <Holger> agenda?
20:44:46 <Payam> Action for All, to think about next extention poit for the ontology
20:44:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for
20:45:15 <Payam> next item in the agenda:  XG Report
20:45:29 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/The_Report_in_Progress
20:45:36 <Payam> Kerry: partial report is avaialble on the wiki
20:46:40 <Payam> Kerry: all to look at the report and comment on it, also contact the editor of section is you like to contribute to it
20:48:36 <krp> +q
20:48:45 <krp> -q
20:49:29 <Payam> Action for All, to have a look at the report and send your comments to one of the editors
20:49:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for
20:49:40 <Payam> Action for All to have a look at the report and send your comments to one of the editors
20:49:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for
20:50:03 <Payam> Action All to have a look at the report and send your comments to one of the editors
20:50:03 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - All
20:50:33 <krzysztof_j> bye
20:50:34 <michael> thanks, bye
20:50:38 <cory> bye
20:50:40 <laurent_oz> bye
20:50:42 <krp> bye
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20:50:45 <Zakim> -michael
20:50:46 <kerryt> ye
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20:50:47 <Payam> Holger i have problems to create actions
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20:50:58 <kerryt> bye
20:51:02 <Zakim> -krp
20:51:03 <Zakim> -Holger
20:51:06 <Zakim> -Arthur
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20:51:17 <Holger> zakim, bye
20:51:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.416.364.aaaa, +90505925aabb, Payam, Holger, +61.4.097.8.aacc, Arthur, krzysztof_j, kerryt, michael, +1.937.775.aadd, krp
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20:51:25 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public 
20:51:35 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:51:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/19-ssn-minutes.html Holger
20:51:50 <Payam> Holger i have problems to create actions
20:51:56 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
20:51:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items