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14:59:58 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this is SPARQL ←
15:00:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
15:00:01 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
15:00:03 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:04 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this is SPARQL ←
15:00:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:00:05 <trackbot> Date: 13 December 2011
15:00:07 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
15:00:09 <kasei> Zakim, who is talking?
Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is talking? ←
15:00:16 <cbuilara> zakim, who is on the phone
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:00:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cbuilara ←
15:00:19 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS ←
15:00:21 <trackbot> Sorry, LeeF, I don't understand 'trackbot, get with the program'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, LeeF, I don't understand 'trackbot, get with the program'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> kasei, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P10 (25%)
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P10 (25%) ←
15:00:23 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.310.729.aaaa, [IPcaller], MattPerry, ??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.310.729.aaaa, [IPcaller], MattPerry, ??P10 ←
15:00:36 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:00:37 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:00:45 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P10 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P10 is me ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:00:51 <AndyS> zakim, go faster
Andy Seaborne: zakim, go faster ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'go faster', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'go faster', AndyS ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:01:33 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
15:01:43 <swh> hm, one of those is me...
Steve Harris: hm, one of those is me... ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:02:10 <swh> Zakim, ??P17 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P17 is me ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> +swh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it ←
15:02:31 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, cbuilara, LeeF, pgearon, ??P14, swh, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, cbuilara, LeeF, pgearon, ??P14, swh, sandro ←
15:03:03 <LeeF> zakim, ??P14 is Olivier_
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ??P14 is Olivier_ ←
15:03:03 <Zakim> +Olivier_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Olivier_; got it ←
15:03:29 <LeeF> Regrets: AxelPolleres, chimezie, bglimm
15:04:38 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
15:04:43 <LeeF> zakim, pick a scribe, please
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, pick a scribe, please ←
15:04:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Olivier_
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Olivier_ ←
15:04:54 <LeeF> scribenick: Olivier_
(Scribe set to Olivier Corby)
15:05:20 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-06
PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-06 ←
15:06:14 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-06
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-06 ←
15:06:29 <LeeF> next week's meeting is 12/20 at 10:00am EST
Lee Feigenbaum: next week's meeting is 12/20 at 10:00am EST ←
15:06:46 <swh> I'm at risk for next week
Steve Harris: I'm at risk for next week ←
15:06:49 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
15:06:57 <LeeF> ack ??P17
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ??P17 ←
15:06:59 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
15:07:15 <LeeF> pgearon: at risk next week
Paul Gearon: at risk next week [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:07:52 <LeeF> LeeF: next week we will be voting on most documents publication, let me know if you won't be here
Lee Feigenbaum: next week we will be voting on most documents publication, let me know if you won't be here [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:08:04 <pgearon> q-
Paul Gearon: q- ←
15:09:02 <LeeF> www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall
Lee Feigenbaum: www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall ←
15:09:08 <LeeF> topic: query
15:10:39 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:10:59 <Olivier_> Some small text changes still needed, minor changes
Some small text changes still needed, minor changes ←
15:11:27 <bglimm> Sorry for only being on IRC. I just wanted to mention that my part1 has all been addressed and I hope to send part 2 tonight
Birte Glimm: Sorry for only being on IRC. I just wanted to mention that my part1 has all been addressed and I hope to send part 2 tonight ←
15:11:48 <AndyS> birte, great, thanks
Andy Seaborne: birte, great, thanks ←
15:11:50 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:11:50 <bglimm> Talking about the Query review in case that wasn't clear
Birte Glimm: Talking about the Query review in case that wasn't clear ←
15:11:53 <swh> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:12:10 <Olivier_> Reread aggregate section needed ?
Reread aggregate section needed ? ←
15:12:43 <bglimm> I read the aggregate section again and I am mostly happy (some minor comments)
Birte Glimm: I read the aggregate section again and I am mostly happy (some minor comments) ←
15:12:48 <LeeF> ack swh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack swh ←
15:13:20 <Olivier_> Concerns exist about aggregate section
Concerns exist about aggregate section ←
15:15:25 <Olivier_> Include a note about it
Include a note about it ←
15:15:53 <AndyS> LeeF: Will buy everyone a beer if there is a serious bug in aggregates
Lee Feigenbaum: Will buy everyone a beer if there is a serious bug in aggregates [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:16:06 <Olivier_> We may publish it as LC next week
We may publish it as LC next week ←
15:16:19 <sandro> sandro: It might be good to include a note like, "This algebra has not yet been thoroughly reviewed. If you think you found a mistake, please send in a comment."
Sandro Hawke: It might be good to include a note like, "This algebra has not yet been thoroughly reviewed. If you think you found a mistake, please send in a comment." [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:16:21 <LeeF> LeeF: birte to get in her review tonight, andy and steve to address points, group to decide on query LC2 next week
Lee Feigenbaum: birte to get in her review tonight, andy and steve to address points, group to decide on query LC2 next week [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:16:43 <LeeF> topic: Entailment
15:17:17 <bglimm> Markus review is addressed and I am awaiting Axel's
Birte Glimm: Markus review is addressed and I am awaiting Axel's ←
15:17:32 <LeeF> bglimm, Axel's review was sent 2 days ago
Lee Feigenbaum: bglimm, Axel's review was sent 2 days ago ←
15:17:40 <LeeF> have you had a chance to look at it yet?
Lee Feigenbaum: have you had a chance to look at it yet? ←
15:17:46 <bglimm> Ups, then I overlooked it. Will check again
Birte Glimm: Ups, then I overlooked it. Will check again ←
15:17:54 <bglimm> No, I didn't see it
Birte Glimm: No, I didn't see it ←
15:18:00 <LeeF> Here's the link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0338.html
Lee Feigenbaum: Here's the link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0338.html ←
15:18:18 <LeeF> If you could take a quick look and let us know if it looks manageable to resolve these comments this week, that would be great
Lee Feigenbaum: If you could take a quick look and let us know if it looks manageable to resolve these comments this week, that would be great ←
15:18:24 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:18:30 <bglimm> I only saw a question about synchronising the wording between Query and Ent. Reg. regarding the conditions (E-consitency etc)
Birte Glimm: I only saw a question about synchronising the wording between Query and Ent. Reg. regarding the conditions (E-consitency etc) ←
15:18:49 <LeeF> topic: Update
15:18:51 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:18:57 <AndyS> zakim, ??P1 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:18:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:19:46 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:20:01 <LeeF> pgearon: working through the 2nd half of Matt's review
Paul Gearon: working through the 2nd half of Matt's review [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:20:04 <Olivier_> Some minor changes still needed
Some minor changes still needed ←
15:20:06 <LeeF> LeeF: please check if there is anything non-editorial
Lee Feigenbaum: please check if there is anything non-editorial [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:20:07 <bglimm> Seems all managable
Birte Glimm: Seems all managable ←
15:20:09 <Zakim> +MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry ←
15:20:28 <bglimm> I'll have Ent. Reg. ready next week then
Birte Glimm: I'll have Ent. Reg. ready next week then ←
15:20:34 <LeeF> MattPerry: mainly editorial - one thing was a clarification of words of SHOULD/MUST
Matthew Perry: mainly editorial - one thing was a clarification of words of SHOULD/MUST [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:20:48 <pgearon> just finished looking, and it's all fine
Paul Gearon: just finished looking, and it's all fine ←
15:21:14 <LeeF> LeeF: pgearon to finish matt's review shortly and matt to review the changes to see if OK to publish
Lee Feigenbaum: pgearon to finish matt's review shortly and matt to review the changes to see if OK to publish [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:21:34 <LeeF> topic: service description
15:22:08 <LeeF> LeeF: chimezie sent his review last week, what's outstanding?
Lee Feigenbaum: chimezie sent his review last week, what's outstanding? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:22:15 <LeeF> kasei: remaining issue is wording on property feature
Gregory Williams: remaining issue is wording on property feature [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:23:12 <Olivier_> Some open issues
Some open issues ←
15:23:20 <Olivier_> not substantive
not substantive ←
15:25:28 <LeeF> LeeF: for property features, suggest changing to "Relates an instance of sd:Service to a resource representing an implemented feature that extends the SPARQL Query or Update language and that is accessed by using the named property."
Lee Feigenbaum: for property features, suggest changing to "Relates an instance of sd:Service to a resource representing an implemented feature that extends the SPARQL Query or Update language and that is accessed by using the named property." [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:27:05 <Olivier_> It may be published next week
It may be published next week ←
15:27:33 <Olivier_> topic: graph protocol
15:27:33 <LeeF> topic: graph store protocol
15:27:41 <LeeF> LeeF: sandro, do you have anything to add beyond what's in email?
Lee Feigenbaum: sandro, do you have anything to add beyond what's in email? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:27:50 <LeeF> sandro: not much; probably OK with most things but concerned with POST being append
Sandro Hawke: not much; probably OK with most things but concerned with POST being append [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:28:19 <LeeF> sandro: the question here is what should happen if you POST to a graph resource
Sandro Hawke: the question here is what should happen if you POST to a graph resource [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:28:28 <LeeF> ... in general in REST, that's up in the air - you send a message to the thing and what happens depends on the thing
Lee Feigenbaum: ... in general in REST, that's up in the air - you send a message to the thing and what happens depends on the thing ←
15:28:47 <LeeF> ... if the thing is a piece of a SPARQL database, saying that a reasonable thing to do is append to the graph seems ok
Lee Feigenbaum: ... if the thing is a piece of a SPARQL database, saying that a reasonable thing to do is append to the graph seems ok ←
15:29:06 <LeeF> ... at linked enterprise workshop, people are using RDF and REST with other applications / data models
Lee Feigenbaum: ... at linked enterprise workshop, people are using RDF and REST with other applications / data models ←
15:29:13 <LeeF> ... there are a lot of other things that you might want to do
Lee Feigenbaum: ... there are a lot of other things that you might want to do ←
15:29:27 <LeeF> ... so i'd like to keep POST open - give the ability to POST a message to something asking it to do something
Lee Feigenbaum: ... so i'd like to keep POST open - give the ability to POST a message to something asking it to do something ←
15:29:32 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:29:33 <LeeF> ... can always append with PATCH
Lee Feigenbaum: ... can always append with PATCH ←
15:29:41 <LeeF> ... suggest we back off on this specification
Lee Feigenbaum: ... suggest we back off on this specification ←
15:29:51 <LeeF> ... recognize problems with PATCH - it's new, not implemented by IE9 (from JavaScript)
Lee Feigenbaum: ... recognize problems with PATCH - it's new, not implemented by IE9 (from JavaScript) ←
15:29:57 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:30:30 <LeeF> kasei: worried about making this change because we explicitly went through this and made PATCH informative because we were worried about the newness/widespread support with PATCH, and thought we had consensus on POST as append
Gregory Williams: worried about making this change because we explicitly went through this and made PATCH informative because we were worried about the newness/widespread support with PATCH, and thought we had consensus on POST as append [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:30:53 <LeeF> sandro: i supporeted that, but 2 new bits of information
Sandro Hawke: i supporeted that, but 2 new bits of information [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:31:04 <LeeF> ... 1) people using this with things other than RDF store
Lee Feigenbaum: ... 1) people using this with things other than RDF store ←
15:31:09 <LeeF> ... 2) people at workshop happy with using PATCH
Lee Feigenbaum: ... 2) people at workshop happy with using PATCH ←
15:33:13 <LeeF> LeeF: steve, do you implement POST to a graph?
Lee Feigenbaum: steve, do you implement POST to a graph? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:33:16 <LeeF> swh: yes, it's append for us
Steve Harris: yes, it's append for us [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:33:32 <LeeF> LeeF: sandro, the IBM implementation handles POST to a collection, not a graph, right?
Lee Feigenbaum: sandro, the IBM implementation handles POST to a collection, not a graph, right? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:33:50 <LeeF> sandro: yes, i'm thinking about the implications of that general idea extended to POSTing to graph
Sandro Hawke: yes, i'm thinking about the implications of that general idea extended to POSTing to graph [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:33:58 <LeeF> sandro: steve, would you have problems changing to using PATCH for append?
Sandro Hawke: steve, would you have problems changing to using PATCH for append? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:34:00 <kasei> PATCH seems pretty underspecified in the document right now. I assume this would require a big change to the document from its current state...?
Gregory Williams: PATCH seems pretty underspecified in the document right now. I assume this would require a big change to the document from its current state...? ←
15:34:14 <LeeF> swh: not enthusiastic about it given lack of support in HTTP libraries and need to change existing code
Steve Harris: not enthusiastic about it given lack of support in HTTP libraries and need to change existing code [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:35:50 <LeeF> AndyS: I believe that PATCH is the open-ended one, lets you send any sort of change to a resource, not just append
Andy Seaborne: I believe that PATCH is the open-ended one, lets you send any sort of change to a resource, not just append [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:37:31 <LeeF> sandro: will think about this & see if there is a more compelling argument by next week
Sandro Hawke: will think about this & see if there is a more compelling argument by next week [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:38:06 <LeeF> sandro: ...a collection is also a graph
Sandro Hawke: ...a collection is also a graph [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:38:20 <LeeF> sandro: ...so POST to that particular graph means something different
Sandro Hawke: ...so POST to that particular graph means something different [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:38:28 <LeeF> AndyS: Where is that specified?
Andy Seaborne: Where is that specified? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:46:11 <sandro> sandro: I think this protocol does or should apply to RDF+REST everywhere -- not just being SPARQL. And collections should be a kind of graph.
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Sandro Hawke: I think this protocol does or should apply to RDF+REST everywhere -- not just being SPARQL. And collections should be a kind of graph. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:47:18 <sandro> sandro: so POST to collecition (a kind of graph) is different from POST to other graphs?
Sandro Hawke: so POST to collecition (a kind of graph) is different from POST to other graphs? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:49:53 <sandro> "Protocol enhancements for update. The group will also define protocol to update RDF graphs using ReSTful methods. "
Sandro Hawke: "Protocol enhancements for update. The group will also define protocol to update RDF graphs using ReSTful methods. " ←
15:50:21 <sandro> from http://www.w3.org/2011/05/sparql-charter
Sandro Hawke: from http://www.w3.org/2011/05/sparql-charter ←
15:50:32 <AndyS> AndyS: I see no evidence presented that a collection IS a graph. It may have a partial representation as a graph (c.f. RDFa)
Andy Seaborne: I see no evidence presented that a collection IS a graph. It may have a partial representation as a graph (c.f. RDFa) [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:50:36 <LeeF> LeeF: Suggestion is to ask Sandro to produce a proposed change and decide on it next week; also happy to facilitate an out-of-band discussion between now and then for interested parties
Lee Feigenbaum: Suggestion is to ask Sandro to produce a proposed change and decide on it next week; also happy to facilitate an out-of-band discussion between now and then for interested parties [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:50:40 <sandro> sandro: If that's what we're doing here, I think we need to keep in mind the bigger picture, beyond just SPARQL.
Sandro Hawke: If that's what we're doing here, I think we need to keep in mind the bigger picture, beyond just SPARQL. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:51:19 <sandro> LeeF: Anyone on the call interested in joining a call on this?
Lee Feigenbaum: Anyone on the call interested in joining a call on this? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:51:34 <sandro> Lee: Sandro, Andy, Lee, Steve... anyone else?
Lee Feigenbaum: Sandro, Andy, Lee, Steve... anyone else? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:52:27 <sandro> kasei: I'm with Andy in being kind of horrified that the SD is returned on a GET from the GraphStore
Gregory Williams: I'm with Andy in being kind of horrified that the SD is returned on a GET from the GraphStore [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:53:09 <sandro> kasei: I don't know how we got to there
Gregory Williams: I don't know how we got to there [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:53:23 <AndyS> There is an example of GET on the graph store URI in the POST section.
Andy Seaborne: There is an example of GET on the graph store URI in the POST section. ←
15:54:56 <sandro> kasei: The text seems to say you should return the SD *even if* the GraphStore doesn't implement SPARQL.
Gregory Williams: The text seems to say you should return the SD *even if* the GraphStore doesn't implement SPARQL. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:55:54 <LeeF> LeeF: need to discuss 5.8 of GSP -- Lee, Andy, kasei are surprised and worried about what's there
Lee Feigenbaum: need to discuss 5.8 of GSP -- Lee, Andy, kasei are surprised and worried about what's there [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:57:11 <kasei> the graph store protocol document also seems to suggest that SD be returned from an OPTIONS requests, which also might deserve its own discussion.
Gregory Williams: the graph store protocol document also seems to suggest that SD be returned from an OPTIONS requests, which also might deserve its own discussion. ←
15:57:16 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to try to organize a conversation on POSTing to a graph this week
ACTION: Lee to try to organize a conversation on POSTing to a graph this week ←
15:57:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-571 - Try to organize a conversation on POSTing to a graph this week [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-12-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-571 - Try to organize a conversation on POSTing to a graph this week [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-12-20]. ←
15:57:59 <LeeF> topic: Protocol
15:58:06 <LeeF> LeeF: remaining issues are editorial, specifically cleaning up references
Lee Feigenbaum: remaining issues are editorial, specifically cleaning up references [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:59:32 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:59:33 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
15:59:34 <Zakim> -swh
Zakim IRC Bot: -swh ←
15:59:35 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:59:38 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:59:39 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:59:40 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:59:41 <Zakim> -Olivier_
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier_ ←
15:59:42 <LeeF> LeeF: decide on most documents next week - please let me know if you won't be here
Lee Feigenbaum: decide on most documents next week - please let me know if you won't be here [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:59:42 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
15:59:43 <LeeF> Adjourned.
Lee Feigenbaum: Adjourned. ←
15:59:44 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:59:46 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, MattPerry, kasei, AndyS, LeeF, cbuilara, pgearon, sandro, swh, Olivier_
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, MattPerry, kasei, AndyS, LeeF, cbuilara, pgearon, sandro, swh, Olivier_ ←
16:21:29 <AndyS> LeeF - transport endpoint -- you mean http://services.data.gov.uk/transport/sparql ?
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Andy Seaborne: LeeF - transport endpoint -- you mean http://services.data.gov.uk/transport/sparql ? ←
16:23:56 <LeeF> AndyS, maybe, checking :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS, maybe, checking :-) ←
16:24:07 <LeeF> no, but let me try that one
Lee Feigenbaum: no, but let me try that one ←
16:24:36 <AndyS> IIRC There are 2+ hosted copies. Which one did you use?
Andy Seaborne: IIRC There are 2+ hosted copies. Which one did you use? ←
16:24:46 <LeeF> AndyS, i meant choosing "transportation" from the drop-down at http://data.gov.uk/sparql
Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS, i meant choosing "transportation" from the drop-down at http://data.gov.uk/sparql ←
16:25:30 <LeeF> the one you gave me gives a similarly empty response to my apparently broken / bit rotten query :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: the one you gave me gives a similarly empty response to my apparently broken / bit rotten query :-) ←
16:25:40 <LeeF> basically, i have a query in my tutorial that used to work, and now doesn't return any results
Lee Feigenbaum: basically, i have a query in my tutorial that used to work, and now doesn't return any results ←
16:25:49 <LeeF> and was trying to short-circuit the process of debugging it by asking those in the know :)
Lee Feigenbaum: and was trying to short-circuit the process of debugging it by asking those in the know :) ←
16:26:27 <AndyS> They are the same actually.
Andy Seaborne: They are the same actually. ←
16:26:53 <LeeF> ah ok
Lee Feigenbaum: ah ok ←
16:27:09 <LeeF> this query used to work but now returns no results:
Lee Feigenbaum: this query used to work but now returns no results: ←
16:27:10 <LeeF> PREFIX skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#>
Lee Feigenbaum: PREFIX skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#> ←
16:27:10 <LeeF> PREFIX roads: <http://transport.data.gov.uk/0/ontology/roads#>
Lee Feigenbaum: PREFIX roads: <http://transport.data.gov.uk/0/ontology/roads#> ←
16:27:10 <LeeF> SELECT ?cat_name (COUNT(DISTINCT ?thing) AS ?roads)
Lee Feigenbaum: SELECT ?cat_name (COUNT(DISTINCT ?thing) AS ?roads) ←
16:27:10 <LeeF> WHERE {
Lee Feigenbaum: WHERE { ←
16:27:10 <LeeF> ?thing a roads:Road ; roads:category ?cat .
Lee Feigenbaum: ?thing a roads:Road ; roads:category ?cat . ←
16:27:11 <LeeF> ?cat skos:prefLabel ?cat_name
Lee Feigenbaum: ?cat skos:prefLabel ?cat_name ←
16:27:14 <LeeF> }
Lee Feigenbaum: } ←
16:27:15 <LeeF> GROUP BY ?cat_name
Lee Feigenbaum: GROUP BY ?cat_name ←
16:27:18 <LeeF> and not sure what in particular changed...
Lee Feigenbaum: and not sure what in particular changed... ←
16:30:17 <AndyS> I see no roads:Road
Andy Seaborne: I see no roads:Road ←
16:30:56 <LeeF> right... so question is whether there is something that replaced it, or moved, or what
Lee Feigenbaum: right... so question is whether there is something that replaced it, or moved, or what ←
16:31:09 <LeeF> i tried to do a general query for the rdf:types in the dataset, but it timed out for me
Lee Feigenbaum: i tried to do a general query for the rdf:types in the dataset, but it timed out for me ←
16:32:05 <AndyS> The endpoint is run by Talis - you can ask on IRC freenode #talis (or maybe #kasabi) The time out is the platofmr's 30s time out but try LIMIT / OFFSET for slicing which might help.
Andy Seaborne: The endpoint is run by Talis - you can ask on IRC freenode #talis (or maybe #kasabi) The time out is the platofmr's 30s time out but try LIMIT / OFFSET for slicing which might help. ←
16:35:18 <AndyS> Their should be a dump somewhere close. I can't the ontology either to check URIs. Bad LD.
Andy Seaborne: Their should be a dump somewhere close. I can't the ontology either to check URIs. Bad LD. ←
16:35:33 <LeeF> thanks very much, Andy!
Lee Feigenbaum: thanks very much, Andy! ←
16:35:46 <AndyS> SELECT * { ?s <http://jena.hpl.hp.com/ARQ/property:version> ?y } works :-)
Andy Seaborne: SELECT * { ?s <http://jena.hpl.hp.com/ARQ/property:version> ?y } works :-) ←
16:36:31 <AndyS> Some SPARQL 1.1 features are turned off IIRC (to stop accidental DOS-isms).
Andy Seaborne: Some SPARQL 1.1 features are turned off IIRC (to stop accidental DOS-isms). ←
16:36:53 <AndyS> Did the query once work?
Andy Seaborne: Did the query once work? ←
16:41:09 <AndyS> Ah - see it did.
Andy Seaborne: Ah - see it did. ←
16:41:29 <AndyS> I'm not in the know but I know who to ask ...
Andy Seaborne: I'm not in the know but I know who to ask ... ←
16:43:11 <AndyS> I do know what code it being run .. but the data? A bit above my level of the stack.
Andy Seaborne: I do know what code it being run .. but the data? A bit above my level of the stack. ←
16:43:43 <LeeF> :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: :-) ←
16:43:53 <LeeF> would you be able to point me to who to ask about the data?
Lee Feigenbaum: would you be able to point me to who to ask about the data? ←
16:47:13 <AndyS> beobal (Sam Tunnicliffe - head of platform team at Talis) - we're on freenode #jena talking about it
Andy Seaborne: beobal (Sam Tunnicliffe - head of platform team at Talis) - we're on freenode #jena talking about it ←
16:51:34 <LeeF> having trouble connecting to freenode for some reason
Lee Feigenbaum: having trouble connecting to freenode for some reason ←
16:52:09 <AndyS> That's freenode. It's free and
Andy Seaborne: That's freenode. It's free and ←
17:56:05 <bglimm> SteveH, are you still on IRC?
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Birte Glimm: SteveH, are you still on IRC? ←
17:56:36 <SteveH> hi bglimm, yeah
Steve Harris: hi bglimm, yeah ←
17:56:47 <bglimm> What did Olivier mean with
Birte Glimm: What did Olivier mean with ←
17:56:47 <bglimm> Olivier_: Concerns exist about aggregate section
Olivier Corby: Concerns exist about aggregate section [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ] ←
17:56:47 <bglimm> [15:15] Olivier_: Include a note about it
Birte Glimm: [15:15] Olivier_: Include a note about it ←
17:57:18 <bglimm> I more or less finished reading the algebra and don't see major problems
Birte Glimm: I more or less finished reading the algebra and don't see major problems ←
17:57:25 <bglimm> am I overlooking something?
Birte Glimm: am I overlooking something? ←
17:57:50 <bglimm> Is that refering to the agg_i issue that also Andy pointed out in his email?
Birte Glimm: Is that refering to the agg_i issue that also Andy pointed out in his email? ←
17:58:24 <bglimm> E.g., what happens if a user uses ?agg1 in the query?
Birte Glimm: E.g., what happens if a user uses ?agg1 in the query? ←
18:13:35 <SteveH> bglimm, yes, just that conversation between you and Andy
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Steve Harris: bglimm, yes, just that conversation between you and Andy ←
18:13:42 <bglimm> ok
Birte Glimm: ok ←
18:13:44 <SteveH> bglimm, nothing new
Steve Harris: bglimm, nothing new ←
18:14:15 <bglimm> I was worried that there is something new since the scribe wasn't to informative
Birte Glimm: I was worried that there is something new since the scribe wasn't too informative ←
18:14:24 <bglimm> s/to/too/
18:16:41 <SteveH> yeah, sure
Steve Harris: yeah, sure ←
20:36:48 <AndyS> LeeF - did you get to the bottom of the cause of the lack of results of your query?
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Andy Seaborne: LeeF - did you get to the bottom of the cause of the lack of results of your query? ←
20:37:42 <LeeF> *just* this sec found time to start looking at it again
Lee Feigenbaum: *just* this sec found time to start looking at it again ←
20:37:49 <LeeF> basically just looks like totally different data then it used to be
Lee Feigenbaum: basically just looks like totally different data then it used to be ←
20:55:33 <AndyS> A small difference esp. if it wasn't reloaded. I did see they are running a customized ARQ
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Andy Seaborne: A small difference esp. if it wasn't reloaded. I did see they are running a customized ARQ ←
20:56:12 <AndyS> ... which looks mildly recent. But the mod (which is now in the codebase) is only for "order by" according to the logs.
Andy Seaborne: ... which looks mildly recent. But the mod (which is now in the codebase) is only for "order by" according to the logs. ←
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