13:57:44 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/20-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/20-sparql-irc ←
13:58:11 <AxelPolleres> zakim, this will be sparql
Axel Polleres: zakim, this will be sparql ←
13:58:11 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
13:58:32 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←
13:58:37 <Zakim> + +1.312.863.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.312.863.aaaa ←
13:58:40 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aabb ←
13:58:44 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Axel Polleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
13:59:08 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aacc ←
13:59:13 <pgearon> Zakim, +1.312.863.aaaa is me
Paul Gearon: Zakim, +1.312.863.aaaa is me ←
13:59:13 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon; got it ←
13:59:20 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aacc is me
Zakim, aacc is me ←
13:59:20 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
13:59:24 <Zakim> + +0186528aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186528aadd ←
13:59:27 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me
Greg Williams: Zakim, aabb is me ←
13:59:27 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
13:59:31 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
13:59:34 <bglimm> Zakim, who am I
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who am I ←
13:59:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who am I', bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who am I', bglimm ←
13:59:51 <bglimm> Zakim, who am I?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who am I? ←
13:59:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bglimm.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bglimm. ←
14:00:18 <Zakim> - +0186528aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +0186528aadd ←
14:00:33 <Zakim> + +7.950.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.950.aaee ←
14:00:35 <kasei> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Greg Williams: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, +7.950.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, +7.950.aaee ←
14:00:41 <AxelPolleres> Agenda is at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-20
Agenda is at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-20 ←
14:00:47 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-20
AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-20 ←
14:00:58 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:01:06 <AndyS> zakim, ??P13 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
14:01:06 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:01:15 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
14:01:19 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??p14 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??p14 is me ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:01:25 <AndyS> (probably - zakim is slow)
Andy Seaborne: (probably - zakim is slow) ←
14:01:35 <SteveH_> I dialed in about 1 min ago, anyone see my ID?
Steve Harris: I dialed in about 1 min ago, anyone see my ID? ←
14:01:37 <Zakim> + +0186528aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186528aaff ←
14:01:47 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aaff is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aaff is me ←
14:01:47 <AndyS> zakim, please mute me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, please mute me ←
14:01:52 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
14:01:55 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should now be muted ←
14:01:56 <Zakim> + +049261287aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +049261287aagg ←
14:01:59 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:02:00 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:02:08 <SimonS> Zakim, aagg is me
Simon Schenk: Zakim, aagg is me ←
14:02:11 <Zakim> +SimonS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonS; got it ←
14:02:21 <AndyS> zakim, please unmute me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, please unmute me ←
14:02:21 <Zakim> AndyS should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should no longer be muted ←
14:02:35 <AxelPolleres> still waiting for lee for a minute or two, otherwise we might just start.
still waiting for lee for a minute or two, otherwise we might just start. ←
14:03:21 <Zakim> + +49.238.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.238.aahh ←
14:03:34 <LukeWM> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:03:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, +7.950.aaee, AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm (muted), SimonS, +49.238.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, +7.950.aaee, AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm (muted), SimonS, +49.238.aahh ←
14:04:18 <SteveH> Zakim, aaee is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, aaee is [Garlik] ←
14:04:18 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
14:04:27 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM ←
14:04:27 <Zakim> +SteveH, LukeWM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, LukeWM; got it ←
14:04:39 <bglimm> I can scribe
Birte Glimm: I can scribe ←
14:04:43 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:04:43 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:04:48 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, +49.238.aahh is me
Olivier Corby: Zakim, +49.238.aahh is me ←
14:04:48 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it ←
14:04:56 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Olivier Corby: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, [Garlik], AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm, SimonS, OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, [Garlik], AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm, SimonS, OlivierCorby ←
14:04:58 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM ←
14:04:59 <bglimm> Scribe: bglimm
(Scribe set to Birte Glimm)
14:05:00 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:05:10 <bglimm> Topic: Adiministrative
14:05:27 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-13
PROPOSED: approve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-13 ←
14:05:28 <bglimm> s/Adiministrative/Administrative/
s/Adiministrative/Administrative/ ←
14:05:42 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approved http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-13
RESOLVED: approved http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-13 ←
14:05:42 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Suggest to approve last week's minutes
Axel Polleres: Suggest to approve last week's minutes ←
14:05:59 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:06:01 <Zakim> -??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P34 ←
14:06:05 <bglimm> ... next week might be difficult for a meeting because of ISWC
... next week might be difficult for a meeting because of ISWC ←
14:06:15 <AndyS> Regrets for next week.
Andy Seaborne: Regrets for next week. ←
14:06:20 <bglimm> ... people will try to participate from there
... people will try to participate from there ←
14:06:36 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:06:43 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P34 is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P34 is me ←
14:06:43 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +KjetilK; got it ←
14:06:48 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:06:48 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:06:52 <bglimm> LeeF: We should still have a call. It is the lastbefore F2F.
Lee Feigenbaum: We should still have a call. It is the lastbefore F2F. ←
14:07:05 <bglimm> Topic: F2F
14:07:06 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.636.aaii ←
14:07:16 <Zakim> +SteveB
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveB ←
14:07:17 <chimezie> Zakim 636.aaii is me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim 636.aaii is me ←
14:07:28 <LukeWM> q+
Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←
14:07:30 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: seems we are a small group, but some people wish to participate remotely
Axel Polleres: seems we are a small group, but some people wish to participate remotely ←
14:07:34 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aaii is me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.636.aaii is me ←
14:07:34 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it ←
14:07:57 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:07:57 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
14:07:59 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
14:08:00 <bglimm> LeeF: we will only have normal telecon facilities
Lee Feigenbaum: we will only have normal telecon facilities ←
14:08:11 <bglimm> s/LeeF/EricP/
s/LeeF/EricP/ ←
14:08:41 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
14:08:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, [Garlik], AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm, SimonS, OlivierCorby, KjetilK (muted), chimezie (muted), SteveB
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei (muted), pgearon, AxelPolleres, [Garlik], AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm, SimonS, OlivierCorby, KjetilK (muted), chimezie (muted), SteveB ←
14:08:44 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM ←
14:08:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, LeeF, SteveH, SimonS, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgearon, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, ivan, LukeWM, bglimm, KjetilK, kjetil, AlexPassant, kasei, karl, iv_an_ru,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see chimezie, LeeF, SteveH, SimonS, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgearon, AxelPolleres, OlivierCorby, ivan, LukeWM, bglimm, KjetilK, kjetil, AlexPassant, kasei, karl, iv_an_ru, ←
14:08:47 <Zakim> ... ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP, trackbot ←
14:08:50 <LeeF> zakim, SteveB has LeeF, ericP
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, SteveB has LeeF, ericP ←
14:08:50 <Zakim> +LeeF, ericP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF, ericP; got it ←
14:08:51 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I hope everybody has rejoined the WG by now.
Axel Polleres: I hope everybody has rejoined the WG by now. ←
14:09:04 <bglimm> .... if not, please do so.
.... if not, please do so. ←
14:09:29 <bglimm> ... There is news for the team contacts
... There is news for the team contacts ←
14:09:32 <AndyS> q?
Andy Seaborne: q? ←
14:09:46 <bglimm> EricP: Sandro will take over for me. Ivan will be continuing
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Sandro will take over for me. Ivan will be continuing ←
14:09:53 <SimonS> q+
Simon Schenk: q+ ←
14:10:09 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, what is the code? ←
14:10:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro ←
14:10:12 <LeeF> Regarding F2F agenda - please see and reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0201.html
Lee Feigenbaum: Regarding F2F agenda - please see and reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0201.html ←
14:10:16 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:10:39 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Thanks from all of us to EricP for the work he has done.
Axel Polleres: Thanks from all of us to EricP for the work he has done. ←
14:10:42 <AndyS> Thanks to EricP (DAWG and SPARQL)
Andy Seaborne: Thanks to EricP (DAWG and SPARQL) ←
14:10:51 <bglimm> ... Sandro also joinded the call.
... Sandro also joinded the call. ←
14:11:27 <bglimm> Sandro: I should be at the second dy of the F2F
Sandro Hawke: I should be at the second dy of the F2F ←
14:11:46 <LeeF> ack LukeWM
Lee Feigenbaum: ack LukeWM ←
14:11:51 <AxelPolleres> birte, i can take over scribing
Axel Polleres: birte, i can take over scribing ←
14:11:57 <bglimm> Luke: I was wondering what remotely means for the F2F
Luke Wilson-Mawer: I was wondering what remotely means for the F2F ←
14:12:04 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Axel Polleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
14:12:15 <bglimm> Scribe: AxelPolleres
14:12:24 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:24 <Zakim> bglimm was not muted, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was not muted, bglimm ←
14:12:31 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:12:31 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:12:43 <AndyS> US is still daylight time?
Andy Seaborne: US is still daylight time? ←
14:12:46 <AndyS> EU is not.
Andy Seaborne: EU is not. ←
14:12:49 <AxelPolleres> Lee: dialing into west coast might be challenging. we will see how we can arrange the schedule.
Lee Feigenbaum: dialing into west coast might be challenging. we will see how we can arrange the schedule. ←
14:13:25 <AxelPolleres> ... we should gather as many issues as possible now, to put the important things in the morning slot, to enable some overlap.
... we should gather as many issues as possible now, to put the important things in the morning slot, to enable some overlap. ←
14:14:08 <AxelPolleres> discussion about daylght saving time...
discussion about daylght saving time... ←
14:14:12 <pgearon> November 1
Paul Gearon: November 1 ←
14:14:24 <AxelPolleres> Axel: think next week in Europe, one but next week US
Axel Polleres: think next week in Europe, one but next week US ←
14:14:28 <pgearon> Daylight time ends on Sunday, November 1 at 2 a.m.
Paul Gearon: Daylight time ends on Sunday, November 1 at 2 a.m. ←
14:14:40 <LeeF> ack SimonS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonS ←
14:15:34 <AxelPolleres> SimonS: too many issues lately, axel convinced me to stay until FPWD, but will take a break until spring then.
Simon Schenk: too many issues lately, axel convinced me to stay until FPWD, but will take a break until spring then. ←
14:15:48 <AxelPolleres> ... hope to rejoin then, will be at ISWC.
... hope to rejoin then, will be at ISWC. ←
14:16:02 <AxelPolleres> Lee: thanks, paul will continue as update editor.
Lee Feigenbaum: thanks, paul will continue as update editor. ←
14:16:22 <pgearon> :-)
Paul Gearon: :-) ←
14:16:27 <AxelPolleres> Paul: have CVS access now, don't see a problem with that.
Paul Gearon: have CVS access now, don't see a problem with that. ←
14:16:39 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:16:39 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted ←
14:16:56 <AxelPolleres> ericP: 3 more days to register for TPAC, costs 50$ per day.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 3 more days to register for TPAC, costs 50$ per day. ←
14:17:13 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/
http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/ ←
14:17:42 <AxelPolleres> eric: if you are late, more expensive and unsure
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if you are late, more expensive and unsure ←
14:18:22 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaison
14:18:36 <AxelPolleres> Lee: we'll meet hcls at TPAC
Lee Feigenbaum: we'll meet hcls at TPAC ←
14:19:01 <AxelPolleres> eric: we'll care about federation, path expression
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we'll care about federation, path expression ←
14:19:30 <AxelPolleres> simons: I had some chat with hcls some time ago, can give a summary
Simon Schenk: I had some chat with hcls some time ago, can give a summary ←
14:20:08 <AxelPolleres> ... they are split into subgroups. results are 5-6 different knowledge bases, which need to be connected (by federation)
... they are split into subgroups. results are 5-6 different knowledge bases, which need to be connected (by federation) ←
14:20:09 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:20:16 <AndyS> q+ to ask that this be described in email
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask that this be described in email ←
14:20:28 <AxelPolleres> ... will probably need more than what we currently have under basic federation.
... will probably need more than what we currently have under basic federation. ←
14:20:42 <AxelPolleres> paul: where are we going with federation?
Paul Gearon: where are we going with federation? ←
14:21:06 <AxelPolleres> lee: basic federation is a time-allowed feature, no actual meetings yet.
Lee Feigenbaum: basic federation is a time-allowed feature, no actual meetings yet. ←
14:21:14 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:21:24 <AxelPolleres> paul: this is something I'd want to get involved with.
Paul Gearon: this is something I'd want to get involved with. ←
14:21:58 <SimonS> +1 Paul
Simon Schenk: +1 Paul ←
14:22:02 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:22:02 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask that this be described in email
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask that this be described in email ←
14:22:08 <AxelPolleres> ... passing bindings between queries (paul pls summarise)
... passing bindings between queries (paul pls summarise) ←
14:22:25 <pgearon> I'd like to summarize in an email, if that's OK
Paul Gearon: I'd like to summarize in an email, if that's OK ←
14:22:34 <AxelPolleres> andy: would be good to have the requirements written up.
Andy Seaborne: would be good to have the requirements written up. ←
14:23:33 <AxelPolleres> action: paul to summarize federated querying in HCLS together with simonS in email thread
ACTION: paul to summarize federated querying in HCLS together with simonS in email thread ←
14:23:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Summarize federated querying in HCLS together with simonS in email thread [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-10-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-124 - Summarize federated querying in HCLS together with simonS in email thread [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-10-27]. ←
14:23:49 <ericP> -> http://swobjects.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/swobjects/trunk/tests/7tm_receptors/flat/q.rq example of HCLS federation (using GRAPH instead of SERVICE but that will change soon)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://swobjects.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/swobjects/trunk/tests/7tm_receptors/flat/q.rq example of HCLS federation (using GRAPH instead of SERVICE but that will change soon) ←
14:23:54 <AxelPolleres> topic: fpwd
14:24:02 <AxelPolleres> topic: query
14:24:08 <AxelPolleres> lee: query all set
Lee Feigenbaum: query all set ←
14:24:12 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:24:17 <AxelPolleres> q-
q- ←
14:24:44 <AxelPolleres> lee: all documents need to be consistent with the new naming scheme, we do that in the process of applying pubrules with eric.
Lee Feigenbaum: all documents need to be consistent with the new naming scheme, we do that in the process of applying pubrules with eric. ←
14:25:10 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ ←
14:25:11 <AxelPolleres> topic: update
14:25:26 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ ←
14:25:41 <SimonS> q+
Simon Schenk: q+ ←
14:25:45 <AxelPolleres> luke: should we also move the urls in CVS?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: should we also move the urls in CVS? ←
14:26:01 <AxelPolleres> Lee: can we move that?
Lee Feigenbaum: can we move that? ←
14:26:05 <AxelPolleres> Eric: can be done
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can be done ←
14:26:27 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee and EricP to move update editor's draft to -1.1 URL
ACTION: Lee and EricP to move update editor's draft to -1.1 URL ←
14:26:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - And EricP to move update editor's draft to -1.1 URL [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-125 - And EricP to move update editor's draft to -1.1 URL [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-27]. ←
14:26:28 <AndyS> (Or remove the version completely in case ... :-()
Andy Seaborne: (Or remove the version completely in case ... :-() ←
14:26:35 <AxelPolleres> Paul: all updated in CVS
Paul Gearon: all updated in CVS ←
14:26:43 <SimonS> q-
Simon Schenk: q- ←
14:27:14 <AxelPolleres> Luke: small comments, but nothing critical. section 4.1 has a note which might be changed into an issue.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: small comments, but nothing critical. section 4.1 has a note which might be changed into an issue. ←
14:27:38 <AxelPolleres> SimonS: think I changed all into issues this morning.
Simon Schenk: think I changed all into issues this morning. ←
14:27:40 <LukeWM> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/#sec_examples
Luke Wilson-Mawer: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/#sec_examples ←
14:28:29 <AxelPolleres> SimonS: I changed the note to refer to section 2.1, in section 2.1 you have four related issues...
Simon Schenk: I changed the note to refer to section 2.1, in section 2.1 you have four related issues... ←
14:28:41 <AxelPolleres> Luke: ok, that's fine for me.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: ok, that's fine for me. ←
14:29:21 <AxelPolleres> Luke:other thing, mentioned graph graph patterns which weren't there
Luke Wilson-Mawer: other thing, mentioned graph graph patterns which weren't there ←
14:29:34 <AxelPolleres> SimonS: it is actually there , production 25
Simon Schenk: it is actually there , production 25 ←
14:30:25 <AxelPolleres> Lee: the "red stuff" (stylesheet related) will be fixed today
Lee Feigenbaum: the "red stuff" (stylesheet related) will be fixed today ←
14:31:02 <AndyS> q+ about XSLT
Andy Seaborne: q+ about XSLT ←
14:31:18 <AxelPolleres> ... which is a result of XSL not being complete.
... which is a result of XSL not being complete. ←
14:31:37 <LeeF> I'd also like us to end up with a single XSLT, hoping to do that
Lee Feigenbaum: I'd also like us to end up with a single XSLT, hoping to do that ←
14:32:03 <LeeF> ack about
Lee Feigenbaum: ack about ←
14:32:04 <LeeF> ack XSLT
Lee Feigenbaum: ack XSLT ←
14:32:17 <AxelPolleres> Eric: if you find something wrong in the XSL, let us know, you'll catch us on IRC the next few hours.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if you find something wrong in the XSL, let us know, you'll catch us on IRC the next few hours. ←
14:32:20 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:33:02 <AxelPolleres> Andy: you change the XSL?
Andy Seaborne: you change the XSL? ←
14:33:10 <AxelPolleres> Lee: yes.
Lee Feigenbaum: yes. ←
14:33:20 <AndyS> Query document: XSLT: <b> <cite> and tables / boxes
Andy Seaborne: Query document: XSLT: <b> <cite> and tables / boxes ←
14:33:29 <AxelPolleres> Andy: i see some things removed, e.g. tables not having borders, etc.
Andy Seaborne: i see some things removed, e.g. tables not having borders, etc. ←
14:34:03 <bglimm> +1 to Andy
Birte Glimm: +1 to Andy ←
14:34:47 <AxelPolleres> Andy: we should have one style across all documents.... which is actually a good intent in the new W3C styles.
Andy Seaborne: we should have one style across all documents.... which is actually a good intent in the new W3C styles. ←
14:35:01 <ericP> those cursed systems folks have raised expectations
Eric Prud'hommeaux: those cursed systems folks have raised expectations ←
14:35:31 <bglimm> I would like to have elements for query and results in examples
Birte Glimm: I would like to have elements for query and results in examples ←
14:35:40 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let us know if you need some special items in the XSL
Lee Feigenbaum: let us know if you need some special items in the XSL ←
14:36:06 <AxelPolleres> topic: protocol
14:36:17 <LukeWM> q+
Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←
14:36:21 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ ←
14:36:39 <AxelPolleres> Lee: alex/andy pointed some minor things...
Lee Feigenbaum: alex/andy pointed some minor things... ←
14:36:42 <LeeF> ack LukeWM
Lee Feigenbaum: ack LukeWM ←
14:36:57 <AxelPolleres> ... I did some global search on "SOAP" and tackled that.
... I did some global search on "SOAP" and tackled that. ←
14:37:08 <AxelPolleres> Luke: some more remark on update.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: some more remark on update. ←
14:37:16 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/22
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/22 ←
14:37:40 <AxelPolleres> ... issue-22 doesn't belong to update.
... ISSUE-22 doesn't belong to update. ←
14:38:05 <LukeWM> pgearon, it's in section 4.1
Luke Wilson-Mawer: pgearon, it's in section 4.1 ←
14:38:05 <AxelPolleres> Lee: paul, can you remove ISSUE-22 from update.
Lee Feigenbaum: paul, can you remove ISSUE-22 from update. ←
14:38:33 <AxelPolleres> Lee: before closing that issue...
Lee Feigenbaum: before closing that issue... ←
14:39:05 <AxelPolleres> ... I want to have a call where we rush through issues, once we have FPWD out.
... I want to have a call where we rush through issues, once we have FPWD out. ←
14:39:19 <AxelPolleres> ... I saw that simon/kjetil created issues.
... I saw that simon/kjetil created issues. ←
14:39:34 <sandro> (I'm used to anyone can PROPOSE and issue, but only the chairs can declare it OPEN.)
Sandro Hawke: (I'm used to anyone can PROPOSE and issue, but only the chairs can declare it OPEN.) ←
14:39:45 <ericP> ISSUE+ don't abuse issues
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ISSUE+ don't abuse issues ←
14:39:56 <AxelPolleres> ... we might want to have a policy on that, please consider not adding issues, rather let's create/manage issues through chairs.
... we might want to have a policy on that, please consider not adding issues, rather let's create/manage issues through chairs. ←
14:39:57 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:40:26 <AxelPolleres> topic: http-update
14:40:27 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:40:33 <AxelPolleres> chime: no issues here
Chime Ogbuji: no issues here ←
14:40:33 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
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14:40:41 <AxelPolleres> lee: all set, thanks to chime.
Lee Feigenbaum: all set, thanks to chime. ←
14:40:52 <AxelPolleres> topic: service description
14:40:52 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml
Greg Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml ←
14:41:36 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:41:48 <AlexPassant> q+ to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/service-description# being online before FPWD
Alex Passant: q+ to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/service-description# being online before FPWD ←
14:42:12 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/43
q+ to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/43 ←
14:42:19 <pgearon> Lee, I've removed issue 22
Paul Gearon: Lee, I've removed ISSUE-22 ←
14:42:27 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:42:27 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/43
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/43 ←
14:42:30 <LeeF> thanks, pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: thanks, pgearon ←
14:42:42 <KjetilK> should the document link to ISSUE-44?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: should the document link to ISSUE-44? ←
14:43:28 <LukeWM> which document, KjetilK ?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: which document, KjetilK ? ←
14:43:38 <KjetilK> LukeWM, the HTTP Update
Kjetil Kjernsmo: LukeWM, the HTTP Update ←
14:43:45 <LukeWM> ah, OK
Luke Wilson-Mawer: ah, OK ←
14:43:50 <bglimm> Should I add that issue to the entailments doc then?
Birte Glimm: Should I add that issue to the entailments doc then? ←
14:43:55 <AxelPolleres> Lee: if we flag ISSUE-43 now in SD, it might be confusing
Lee Feigenbaum: if we flag ISSUE-43 now in SD, it might be confusing ←
14:44:03 <bglimm> Ok
Birte Glimm: Ok ←
14:44:05 <AxelPolleres> Axel: fair enough
Axel Polleres: fair enough ←
14:44:22 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:44:29 <AlexPassant> LeeF: i'm on the queue :)
Lee Feigenbaum: i'm on the queue :) [ Scribe Assist by Alex Passant ] ←
14:44:33 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
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14:44:39 <AxelPolleres> Lee: birte, would be good to have the issue in the entailment doc.
Lee Feigenbaum: birte, would be good to have the issue in the entailment doc. ←
14:44:44 <LeeF> ack AlexPassant
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AlexPassant ←
14:44:44 <Zakim> AlexPassant, you wanted to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/service-description# being online before FPWD
Zakim IRC Bot: AlexPassant, you wanted to ask about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/service-description# being online before FPWD ←
14:45:23 <AlexPassant> either put the vocab online or mention that it's not here *yet*
Alex Passant: either put the vocab online or mention that it's not here *yet* ←
14:45:25 <AlexPassant> yes LeeF
Alex Passant: yes LeeF ←
14:45:39 <kasei> good catch. should also have agreement on the iri (?)
Greg Williams: good catch. should also have agreement on the iri (?) ←
14:45:39 <AxelPolleres> Alex: can we get the namespace http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/service-description# online before FPWD?
Alex Passant: can we get the namespace http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/service-description# online before FPWD? ←
14:45:56 <AxelPolleres> Eric: we could put a placeholder document
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we could put a placeholder document ←
14:46:03 <AlexPassant> yes
Alex Passant: yes ←
14:46:06 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
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14:46:30 <AxelPolleres> greg: I have just couned that URI, is it ok wirth everyone?
Greg Williams: I have just couned that URI, is it ok wirth everyone? ←
14:47:23 <AxelPolleres> ... is that inline with W3C naming convention?
... is that inline with W3C naming convention? ←
14:47:23 <sandro> this is a namespace? for XML or RDF?
Sandro Hawke: this is a namespace? for XML or RDF? ←
14:48:00 <sandro> www.w3.org/ns/service#
Sandro Hawke: www.w3.org/ns/service# ←
14:48:11 <sandro> www.w3.org/ns/sparql-service#
Sandro Hawke: www.w3.org/ns/sparql-service# ←
14:48:48 <sandro> yeah, I didn;'t mean to leave out "sparql"
Sandro Hawke: yeah, I didn;'t mean to leave out "sparql" ←
14:49:35 <AxelPolleres> andyS: maybe better to not block the namespace now, since it gives it more weight, we might not want that, unless we are sure about the namespace.
Andy Seaborne: maybe better to not block the namespace now, since it gives it more weight, we might not want that, unless we are sure about the namespace. ←
14:49:46 <sandro> There MUST be a document at the namespace URI if the namespace is used in a TR.
Sandro Hawke: There MUST be a document at the namespace URI if the namespace is used in a TR. ←
14:50:14 <sandro> yes, it can say "subject to change, etc"
Sandro Hawke: yes, it can say "subject to change, etc" ←
14:50:24 <AxelPolleres> sandro: pubrules prsecribe that there has to be a document at any namespace mentioned.
Sandro Hawke: pubrules prsecribe that there has to be a document at any namespace mentioned. ←
14:50:27 <sandro> yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
14:50:54 <sandro> and note in the Spec where the NS is mentions.
Sandro Hawke: and note in the Spec where the NS is mentions. ←
14:50:55 <AxelPolleres> Lee: anybody unhappy with www.w3.org/ns/sparql-service# ?
Lee Feigenbaum: anybody unhappy with www.w3.org/ns/sparql-service# ? ←
14:51:02 <SteveH> +1 to +description
Steve Harris: +1 to +description ←
14:51:04 <LeeF> sparql-service# vs. sparql-service-description#
Lee Feigenbaum: sparql-service# vs. sparql-service-description# ←
14:51:08 <SteveH> it's a little confusing otherwise
Steve Harris: it's a little confusing otherwise ←
14:51:13 <AxelPolleres> greg: prefer service description.
Greg Williams: prefer service description. ←
14:51:26 <sandro> "description" seems redundant to me, but I'm new.
Sandro Hawke: "description" seems redundant to me, but I'm new. ←
14:51:34 <AxelPolleres> +1 to include description
+1 to include description ←
14:51:37 <ericP> +1 to apathy
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to apathy ←
14:51:45 <SteveH> +0 to apathy
Steve Harris: +0 to apathy ←
14:52:04 <AxelPolleres> Lee: www.w3.org/ns/sparql-service-description# be it
Lee Feigenbaum: www.w3.org/ns/sparql-service-description# be it ←
14:52:07 <LeeF> ACTION: Eric and Lee to request .../ns/sparql-service-description# and put a "subject to change" doc there
ACTION: Eric and Lee to request .../ns/sparql-service-description# and put a "subject to change" doc there ←
14:52:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - And Lee to request .../ns/sparql-service-description# and put a "subject to change" doc there [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-126 - And Lee to request .../ns/sparql-service-description# and put a "subject to change" doc there [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-27]. ←
14:52:27 <AxelPolleres> eric: HTML for now there.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: HTML for now there. ←
14:52:49 <AxelPolleres> ... anybody objecting to conneg there?
... anybody objecting to conneg there? ←
14:53:01 <sandro> html for now, RDFa and/or conneg later
Sandro Hawke: html for now, RDFa and/or conneg later ←
14:53:06 <kasei> LeeF, will you change that ns in the doc when you are making changes today, or should I?
Greg Williams: LeeF, will you change that ns in the doc when you are making changes today, or should I? ←
14:53:07 <AxelPolleres> sandro: we can do RDFa later on
Sandro Hawke: we can do RDFa later on ←
14:53:08 <AndyS> if RDFa, then RDF as well please.
Andy Seaborne: if RDFa, then RDF as well please. ←
14:53:16 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to update NS in serv. description document
ACTION: Lee to update NS in serv. description document ←
14:53:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Update NS in serv. description document [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-127 - Update NS in serv. description document [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-27]. ←
14:53:17 <sandro> plus 6 grddl transforms. :-)
Sandro Hawke: plus 6 grddl transforms. :-) ←
14:53:32 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
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14:53:37 <AxelPolleres> topic: entailment document
14:53:42 <AndyS> OK if server side ;-)
Andy Seaborne: OK if server side ;-) ←
14:53:52 <AxelPolleres> birte: all in CVS, looks alright for me.
Birte Glimm: all in CVS, looks alright for me. ←
14:54:03 <AxelPolleres> ... not sure how it looks for everyone.
... not sure how it looks for everyone. ←
14:54:06 <LeeF> to set access go to http://URI/URI/,access
Lee Feigenbaum: to set access go to http://URI/URI/,access ←
14:54:23 <AxelPolleres> eric: you should be able to set .access
Eric Prud'hommeaux: you should be able to set .access ←
14:54:29 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml
Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml ←
14:55:26 <sandro> I see it in CVS.
Sandro Hawke: I see it in CVS. ←
14:55:29 <AxelPolleres> birte: might be a commit issue.
Birte Glimm: might be a commit issue. ←
14:55:41 <AxelPolleres> eric: let's pick that up after the call on irc.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: let's pick that up after the call on irc. ←
14:56:02 <AndyS> I see it in CVS. last update Oct 20 15:42
Andy Seaborne: I see it in CVS. last update Oct 20 15:42 ←
14:56:11 <AxelPolleres> lee: did you address all the issues we talked about?
Lee Feigenbaum: did you address all the issues we talked about? ←
14:56:50 <AxelPolleres> birte: yes, but might need more reviewers, removed entailment regimes we haven't really worked on, just left RDF/RDFS
Birte Glimm: yes, but might need more reviewers, removed entailment regimes we haven't really worked on, just left RDF/RDFS ←
14:57:03 <AxelPolleres> lee: should be ok.
Lee Feigenbaum: should be ok. ←
14:57:07 <sandro> 7 years bad luck
Sandro Hawke: 7 years bad luck ←
14:57:32 <AxelPolleres> topic: overall fpwd issues
14:58:20 <AxelPolleres> eric: we will turn around a lot at grammar, how many docs have grammar in them?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we will turn around a lot at grammar, how many docs have grammar in them? ←
14:58:43 <sandro> weird. the mirrors say http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment doesn't exist, but when I did a an update -d on 2009/sparql it was created for me, with contents.
Sandro Hawke: weird. the mirrors say http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment doesn't exist, but when I did a an update -d on 2009/sparql it was created for me, with contents. ←
14:58:46 <LeeF> Regrets: IvanH, Orri
14:58:53 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:59:12 <AxelPolleres> andy/eric discussing grammar...
andy/eric discussing grammar... ←
15:00:10 <AxelPolleres> Andy: query isn't xmlspec'ed yet. is in HMTL, should be ok.
Andy Seaborne: query isn't xmlspec'ed yet. is in HMTL, should be ok. ←
15:00:22 <AxelPolleres> ... more important things than styling so far.
... more important things than styling so far. ←
15:01:05 <SteveH> +1 to aggregates
Steve Harris: +1 to aggregates ←
15:01:10 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:01:12 <AxelPolleres> Lee: 60mins up, would like to continue shortly about the aggregate issues.
Lee Feigenbaum: 60mins up, would like to continue shortly about the aggregate issues. ←
15:01:15 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
15:01:31 <AxelPolleres> andy: we may not agree, but let's start the issues.
Andy Seaborne: we may not agree, but let's start the issues. ←
15:01:50 <SteveH> not really , no
Steve Harris: not really , no ←
15:01:50 <AxelPolleres> Lee: almost all include we should include count.
Lee Feigenbaum: almost all include we should include count. ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:02:01 <AxelPolleres> ... do we have a starting point for that?
... do we have a starting point for that? ←
15:02:24 <AxelPolleres> Andy: shall we start with the relational one?
Andy Seaborne: shall we start with the relational one? ←
15:02:25 <AndyS> COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM
Andy Seaborne: COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM ←
15:02:33 <LukeWM> AVG?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: AVG? ←
15:02:56 <LeeF> GROUP_CONCAT
Lee Feigenbaum: GROUP_CONCAT ←
15:03:09 <LeeF> SAMPLE
Lee Feigenbaum: SAMPLE ←
15:03:09 <AxelPolleres> basically any XPATH/XQuery funct that accepts sequences could be allowed?
basically any XPATH/XQuery funct that accepts sequences could be allowed? ←
15:03:10 <AndyS> StsveH - can you define it in email? Still hazy on details (prob happy with it)
Andy Seaborne: StsveH - can you define it in email? Still hazy on details (prob happy with it) ←
15:03:30 <pgearon> first?
Paul Gearon: first? ←
15:03:33 <SteveH> AndyS, sure
Steve Harris: AndyS, sure ←
15:03:34 <AndyS> XP/XQ has issues in the details
Andy Seaborne: XP/XQ has issues in the details ←
15:03:37 <AxelPolleres> e.g. string-join
e.g. string-join ←
15:03:41 <AndyS> SteveH, ta
Andy Seaborne: SteveH, ta ←
15:03:46 <LeeF> STDDEV
Lee Feigenbaum: STDDEV ←
15:04:01 <AxelPolleres> lee: statistics, e.g. STDDEV
Lee Feigenbaum: statistics, e.g. STDDEV ←
15:04:17 <ericP> my pref would have been COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM, AVG, but i think a system that has debugging from the start is a very good developer draw
Eric Prud'hommeaux: my pref would have been COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM, AVG, but i think a system that has debugging from the start is a very good developer draw ←
15:04:28 <ericP> so also like SAMPLE
Eric Prud'hommeaux: so also like SAMPLE ←
15:04:29 <pgearon> we'd be a laughing stock if we didn't include COUNT
Paul Gearon: we'd be a laughing stock if we didn't include COUNT ←
15:04:30 <LukeWM> I'd like AVG to be called something different.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: I'd like AVG to be called something different. ←
15:04:48 <AxelPolleres> COUNT seems to be agreed.
COUNT seems to be agreed. ←
15:05:13 <pgearon> +1 for MIN/MAX (mixed types aside)
Paul Gearon: +1 for MIN/MAX (mixed types aside) ←
15:05:41 <AxelPolleres> axel: MIN/MAX don't add expressivity, but very useful
Axel Polleres: MIN/MAX don't add expressivity, but very useful ←
15:06:04 <AxelPolleres> andyS: actually they do add: usable in GROUP BY
Andy Seaborne: actually they do add: usable in GROUP BY ←
15:06:42 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
15:07:21 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
15:07:34 <AxelPolleres> SUM also sounds like it has support
SUM also sounds like it has support ←
15:07:49 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:07:52 <AxelPolleres> AVG might need to be named different.
AVG might need to be named different. ←
15:07:53 <chimezie> q+ consensus on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions
Chime Ogbuji: q+ consensus on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions ←
15:08:00 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:08:04 <chimezie> q+
Chime Ogbuji: q+ ←
15:08:07 <LeeF> ack consensus
Lee Feigenbaum: ack consensus ←
15:08:07 <Zakim> consensus, you wanted to comment on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions
Zakim IRC Bot: consensus, you wanted to comment on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions ←
15:08:17 <AxelPolleres> Lee: different naming was suggested by Luke
Lee Feigenbaum: different naming was suggested by Luke ←
15:08:19 <LeeF> q+ chimezie to discuss consensus on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ chimezie to discuss consensus on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions ←
15:08:27 <AxelPolleres> Luke: better call it "mean"
Luke Wilson-Mawer: better call it "mean" ←
15:08:43 <SteveH> can have AVG as an alias for MEAN
Steve Harris: can have AVG as an alias for MEAN ←
15:08:59 <SteveH> a la isURI and isIRI
Steve Harris: a la isURI and isIRI ←
15:09:01 <AxelPolleres> Lee: AVG would assume same behaviour as in SQL
Lee Feigenbaum: AVG would assume same behaviour as in SQL ←
15:09:16 <pgearon> MEAN implies a numeric operation, while people might try to apply AVG to other things... but what's the average of "foo" and "bar"? :-)
Paul Gearon: MEAN implies a numeric operation, while people might try to apply AVG to other things... but what's the average of "foo" and "bar"? :-) ←
15:09:44 <kasei> pgearon, probably depends on the current text encoding :)
Greg Williams: pgearon, probably depends on the current text encoding :) ←
15:09:46 <AxelPolleres> Lee: would lean towards AVG
Lee Feigenbaum: would lean towards AVG ←
15:10:04 <pgearon> +1 for aggregates
Paul Gearon: +1 for aggregates ←
15:10:18 <AxelPolleres> either both SUM and AVG or no arithmetic at all
either both SUM and AVG or no arithmetic at all ←
15:10:32 <pgearon> I mean, for and "average" aggregate
Paul Gearon: I mean, for and "average" aggregate ←
15:10:50 <LeeF> ISSUE: Should the average/arithmetic mean aggregate be called AVG, MEAN, both, or something else?
ISSUE: Should the average/arithmetic mean aggregate be called AVG, MEAN, both, or something else? ←
15:10:50 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-50 - Should the average/arithmetic mean aggregate be called AVG, MEAN, both, or something else? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/50/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-50 - Should the average/arithmetic mean aggregate be called AVG, MEAN, both, or something else? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/50/edit . ←
15:11:27 <LukeWM> no
Luke Wilson-Mawer: no ←
15:11:33 <kasei> 0
Greg Williams: 0 ←
15:11:35 <SteveH> STDDEV is quite useful
Steve Harris: STDDEV is quite useful ←
15:11:41 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Excel has a core set that includes SDTDEV, does anybody think we should include that?
Lee Feigenbaum: Excel has a core set that includes SDTDEV, does anybody think we should include that? ←
15:12:12 <AxelPolleres> ... extensibility should enable including these.
... extensibility should enable including these. ←
15:12:40 <AxelPolleres> Lee: GROUPCONCAT very much like string-join
Lee Feigenbaum: GROUPCONCAT very much like string-join ←
15:12:53 <AxelPolleres> ... we use it all the time.
... we use it all the time. ←
15:13:02 <AndyS> Name is horrible!
Andy Seaborne: Name is horrible! ←
15:13:09 <kasei> is the "GROUP" in that just to distinguish it as an aggregate function?
Greg Williams: is the "GROUP" in that just to distinguish it as an aggregate function? ←
15:13:22 <SteveH> kasei, yes
Steve Harris: kasei, yes ←
15:13:26 <AxelPolleres> ... no strong feeling whether it should belong to thee core.
... no strong feeling whether it should belong to thee core. ←
15:13:29 <SteveH> the name is horrible, yes
Steve Harris: the name is horrible, yes ←
15:13:46 <KjetilK> +1
Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1 ←
15:13:48 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:13:55 <AndyS> 0
Andy Seaborne: 0 ←
15:14:02 <LeeF> ack chimezie
Lee Feigenbaum: ack chimezie ←
15:14:02 <Zakim> chimezie, you wanted to discuss consensus on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie, you wanted to discuss consensus on general, expected behavior of aggregate functions ←
15:14:02 <AxelPolleres> ... I am not wedded to the name "GROUPCONCAT", aside that would we want to include it?
... I am not wedded to the name "GROUPCONCAT", aside that would we want to include it? ←
15:14:10 <kasei> AndyS, seems tricky without the ability to escape the underlying values first
Greg Williams: AndyS, seems tricky without the ability to escape the underlying values first ←
15:14:17 <SteveH> defn, from mysql, FWIW: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/group-by-functions.html#function_group-concat
Steve Harris: defn, from mysql, FWIW: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/group-by-functions.html#function_group-concat ←
15:14:34 <AndyS> escaping?
Andy Seaborne: escaping? ←
15:14:40 <kasei> for csv
Greg Williams: for csv ←
15:14:40 <AxelPolleres> chime: shouldn't we rather think of criteria of what a well-behaved function should look like?
Chime Ogbuji: shouldn't we rather think of criteria of what a well-behaved function should look like? ←
15:14:44 <AndyS> StevbeH - does that escape sep?
Andy Seaborne: StevbeH - does that escape sep? ←
15:14:59 <AxelPolleres> ... than discussing the single aggregates?
... than discussing the single aggregates? ←
15:15:05 <SteveH> AndyS, no
Steve Harris: AndyS, no ←
15:15:12 <SteveH> not in mysql anyway
Steve Harris: not in mysql anyway ←
15:15:18 <AndyS> NP - add a fucntion call.
Andy Seaborne: NP - add a fucntion call. ←
15:15:21 <SteveH> yup
Steve Harris: yup ←
15:15:27 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:15:36 <AxelPolleres> Lee: we aren't even sure yet whether we want aggregates to define single return values.
Lee Feigenbaum: we aren't even sure yet whether we want aggregates to define single return values. ←
15:15:38 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:16:02 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: I already have a definition which ties it to a single value.
Andy Seaborne: I already have a definition which ties it to a single value. ←
15:16:33 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
15:16:53 <AxelPolleres> Lee: will the issues we have discussed today go into the FPWD?
Lee Feigenbaum: will the issues we have discussed today go into the FPWD? ←
15:16:57 <AndyS> -99 to definition.
Andy Seaborne: -99 to definition. ←
15:17:26 <AxelPolleres> Steve: already a list of candidates there, which we might extend, no definition at this point.
Steve Harris: already a list of candidates there, which we might extend, no definition at this point. ←
15:17:41 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let's continue the list ...
Lee Feigenbaum: let's continue the list ... ←
15:17:47 <AxelPolleres> ... SAMPLE.
... SAMPLE. ←
15:17:48 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:17:56 <SteveH> SAMPLE is neccesary if we don't allow aggregate values to be projected, which had support previously
Steve Harris: SAMPLE is neccesary if we don't allow aggregate values to be projected, which had support previously ←
15:18:18 <AxelPolleres> q+ worried about non-determinism (as usual).
q+ worried about non-determinism (as usual). ←
15:18:20 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:18:23 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:18:46 <AndyS> ah - "non aggregated variables" ??
Andy Seaborne: ah - "non aggregated variables" ?? ←
15:18:53 <pgearon> what about just using FIRST?
Paul Gearon: what about just using FIRST? ←
15:18:58 <AxelPolleres> Lee: axel, yes it is nondeterministic, but it is very explcicitly non-deterministic.
Lee Feigenbaum: axel, yes it is nondeterministic, but it is very explcicitly non-deterministic. ←
15:19:09 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
15:19:15 <AndyS> A change to design but NP.
Andy Seaborne: A change to design but NP. ←
15:19:17 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
15:19:35 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:19:54 <AxelPolleres> Paul: FIRST is fine in conncection with order by.
Paul Gearon: FIRST is fine in conncection with order by. ←
15:20:03 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:20:06 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:20:14 <AxelPolleres> ... without order by SAMPLE is just the same as FIRST.
... without order by SAMPLE is just the same as FIRST. ←
15:20:25 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:21:08 <AxelPolleres> Andy: seems there are different assumptions here, don't see how you can sort the variabes coming out of a group by.
Andy Seaborne: seems there are different assumptions here, don't see how you can sort the variabes coming out of a group by. ←
15:21:21 <SteveH> in SQL yu can do AGGREGATE (?x ORDER BY ...)
Steve Harris: in SQL yu can do AGGREGATE (?x ORDER BY ...) ←
15:21:30 <AndyS> MIN or MAX nearly= FIRST?
Andy Seaborne: MIN or MAX nearly= FIRST? ←
15:21:31 <AxelPolleres> paul: honestly, it's a while since I chekced that in SQL
Paul Gearon: honestly, it's a while since I chekced that in SQL ←
15:22:40 <SteveH> action?
Steve Harris: action? ←
15:22:57 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To include aggregates for COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM, AVG and discuss others down the road
PROPOSED: To include aggregates for COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM, AVG and discuss others down the road ←
15:23:04 <SteveH> seconded
Steve Harris: seconded ←
15:23:15 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:23:17 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:23:18 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:23:29 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To include aggregates for COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM, AVG and discuss others down the road, no abstentions or objections
RESOLVED: To include aggregates for COUNT, MIN, MAX, SUM, AVG and discuss others down the road, no abstentions or objections ←
15:23:35 <iv_an_ru> +1
Ivan Mikhailov: +1 ←
15:24:03 <AxelPolleres> +0.95 (guess we can get around the involved issues, so fair enough)
+0.95 (guess we can get around the involved issues, so fair enough) ←
15:24:30 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let's close... some more hint for those at ISWC
Lee Feigenbaum: let's close... some more hint for those at ISWC ←
15:25:09 <AxelPolleres> ... we have a panel at ISWC, Wendesday, Oct 28, 10:30
... we have a panel at ISWC, Wendesday, Oct 28, 10:30 ←
15:25:34 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: When will the agenda go out for F2F, was due.
Andy Seaborne: When will the agenda go out for F2F, was due. ←
15:25:49 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: aggregate issues, for sure.
Lee Feigenbaum: aggregate issues, for sure. ←
15:25:58 <AxelPolleres> ... stil soliciting issues.
... stil soliciting issues. ←
15:26:19 <AxelPolleres> Lee, Axel to do the agenda by end of the week.
Lee, Axel to do the agenda by end of the week. ←
15:26:31 <AndyS> Tues OK : Mon - not first thing
Andy Seaborne: Tues OK : Mon - not first thing ←
15:27:15 <LeeF> adjourned
Lee Feigenbaum: adjourned ←
15:27:15 <bglimm> Zakim, unute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unute me ←
15:27:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unute me', bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unute me', bglimm ←
15:27:19 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:27:21 <Zakim> -KjetilK
Zakim IRC Bot: -KjetilK ←
15:27:26 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:27:26 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:27:27 <AxelPolleres> Axel: suggest we collect issues by end of the week and on next call discuss how to schedule them best
Axel Polleres: suggest we collect issues by end of the week and on next call discuss how to schedule them best ←
15:27:27 <Zakim> -SimonS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SimonS ←
15:27:28 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:27:30 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:27:32 <AndyS> Thanks all.
Andy Seaborne: Thanks all. ←
15:27:33 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:27:40 <AndyS> Was not me @AndyS then!
Andy Seaborne: Was not me @AndyS then! ←
15:27:44 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:27:44 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
15:27:45 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←
15:27:53 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who was on the phone?
Zakim, who was on the phone? ←
15:27:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres. ←
15:28:00 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, list attendees
Zakim, list attendees ←
15:28:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.518.276.aabb, +3539149aacc, pgearon, AxelPolleres, +0186528aadd, kasei, +7.950.aaee, AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm, +049261287aagg, SimonS,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +1.518.276.aabb, +3539149aacc, pgearon, AxelPolleres, +0186528aadd, kasei, +7.950.aaee, AndyS, AlexPassant, bglimm, +049261287aagg, SimonS, ←
15:28:03 <Zakim> ... SteveH, LukeWM, OlivierCorby, EricP, KjetilK, chimezie, LeeF, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... SteveH, LukeWM, OlivierCorby, EricP, KjetilK, chimezie, LeeF, Sandro ←
15:28:19 <pgearon> ericP, can you let me know when the renaming and other updates are done please? I'll update cvs once you let me know
Paul Gearon: ericP, can you let me know when the renaming and other updates are done please? I'll update cvs once you let me know ←
15:29:21 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
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