13:59:08 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-sparql-irc ←
13:59:22 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be sparql
Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be sparql ←
13:59:22 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres ←
13:59:36 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL
Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
13:59:36 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres ←
13:59:56 <kasei> yeah, can't get on the call with the code, either
Greg Williams: yeah, can't get on the call with the code, either ←
14:00:13 <AxelPolleres> now that's weird
Axel Polleres: now that's weird ←
14:00:32 <AndyS> I don't get "please your conf code" part of the message.
Andy Seaborne: I don't get "please your conf code" part of the message. ←
14:00:35 <pgearon> I'm guessing that Zakim sets up the conference call
Paul Gearon: I'm guessing that Zakim sets up the conference call ←
14:00:35 <AxelPolleres> ivanh, eric, help?
Axel Polleres: ivanh, eric, help? ←
14:00:51 <ivanh> what is the problem?
Ivan Herman: what is the problem? ←
14:00:57 <ivanh> hm
Ivan Herman: hm ←
14:01:05 <AndyS> and then "not valid *pass* code"
Andy Seaborne: and then "not valid *pass* code" ←
14:01:12 <SteveH> here
Steve Harris: here ←
14:01:14 <SteveH> same here
Steve Harris: same here ←
14:01:15 <ivanh> sigh...
Ivan Herman: sigh... ←
14:01:15 <AxelPolleres> seems we have no valid passcode on zakim and zakim doesn'
Axel Polleres: seems we have no valid passcode on zakim and zakim doesn' ←
14:01:22 <AxelPolleres> t know about the meeting
Axel Polleres: t know about the meeting ←
14:01:26 <LukeWM> same here
Luke Wilson-Mawer: same here ←
14:01:40 <SteveH> could be that SPARQL has elapsed, and the new group doesn't have a meeting slot?
Steve Harris: could be that SPARQL has elapsed, and the new group doesn't have a meeting slot? ←
14:02:14 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06
Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06 ←
14:02:28 <LeeF> ericP?
Lee Feigenbaum: ericP? ←
14:02:40 <ivanh> eric is not around, I am trying to find out what is going on
Ivan Herman: eric is not around, I am trying to find out what is going on ←
14:02:45 <LeeF> k
Lee Feigenbaum: k ←
14:02:49 <AxelPolleres> looks like eric isn't available.
Axel Polleres: looks like eric isn't available. ←
14:02:57 <AxelPolleres> (he said at risk last time already)
Axel Polleres: (he said at risk last time already) ←
14:03:07 <SteveH> FWIW, Luke and I are at risk, this hotmail thing has meant were quite busy...
Steve Harris: FWIW, Luke and I are at risk, this hotmail thing has meant were quite busy... ←
14:03:16 <ivanh> in the meantime we can set up a temporary zakim call, which would need a different code access
Ivan Herman: in the meantime we can set up a temporary zakim call, which would need a different code access ←
14:03:21 <ivanh> would that work?
Ivan Herman: would that work? ←
14:03:30 <AxelPolleres> thanks ivanh, apologies all for the trouble. think that should work.
Axel Polleres: thanks ivanh, apologies all for the trouble. think that should work. ←
14:03:31 <ivanh> we can then check what is going on later
Ivan Herman: we can then check what is going on later ←
14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:03:43 <ivanh> we are around 10 people, right?
Ivan Herman: we are around 10 people, right? ←
14:03:48 <SteveH> yes
Steve Harris: yes ←
14:03:51 <ivanh> zakim, room for 15
Ivan Herman: zakim, room for 15 ←
14:03:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'room for 15', ivanh
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'room for 15', ivanh ←
14:03:57 <ivanh> zakim, room for 15?
Ivan Herman: zakim, room for 15? ←
14:04:00 <Zakim> ok, ivanh; conference Team_(sparql)14:03Z scheduled with code 772775 (SPARQL) for 60 minutes until 1503Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivanh; conference Team_(sparql)14:03Z scheduled with code 772775 (SPARQL) for 60 minutes until 1503Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked ←
14:04:09 <ivanh> ok, let us use this one then
Ivan Herman: ok, let us use this one then ←
14:04:17 <ivanh> zakim, dial ivanh-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivanh-voip ←
14:04:17 <Zakim> ok, ivanh; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivanh; the call is being made ←
14:04:18 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)14:03Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(sparql)14:03Z has now started ←
14:04:19 <Zakim> +Ivanh
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivanh ←
14:04:30 <ivanh> (and it works)
Ivan Herman: (and it works) ←
14:04:31 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.310.729.aaaa ←
14:04:32 <ivanh> I am in
Ivan Herman: I am in ←
14:04:35 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me
Greg Williams: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:04:35 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
14:04:36 <Zakim> +??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←
14:04:47 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, code?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, code? ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres ←
14:04:49 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P31 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P31 is me ←
14:04:50 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:04:51 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:04:51 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:04:54 <Zakim> +??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33 ←
14:04:58 <AndyS> zakim, ??P33 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P33 is me ←
14:04:58 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:05:00 <Zakim> +??P37
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37 ←
14:05:07 <SteveH> ??P37 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: ??P37 is [Garlik] ←
14:05:17 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P37 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P37 is [Garlik] ←
14:05:17 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
14:05:19 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
14:05:25 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM ←
14:05:25 <Zakim> +SteveH, LukeWM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, LukeWM; got it ←
14:05:31 <KjetilK> hmm, Zakim didn't ask me for the code...
Kjetil Kjernsmo: hmm, Zakim didn't ask me for the code... ←
14:05:44 <SimonS> Hi, I will not be able to call in, but I will be on IRC for the first 60 mins.
Simon Schenk: Hi, I will not be able to call in, but I will be on IRC for the first 60 mins. ←
14:05:47 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152)
Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152) ←
14:05:50 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:05:51 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:06:10 <Zakim> +??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←
14:06:18 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P38 is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P38 is me ←
14:06:18 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +KjetilK; got it ←
14:06:37 <AxelPolleres> Agenda is: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06
Axel Polleres: Agenda is: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06 ←
14:07:04 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
14:07:06 <AlexPassant> ok
Alex Passant: ok ←
14:07:15 <pgearon> whew! That was hard!
Paul Gearon: whew! That was hard! ←
14:07:40 <AxelPolleres> proposed: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29
PROPOSED: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29 ←
14:07:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:07:53 <AlexPassant> how can I tell zakim that I'm sribing , cannot remember the command ?
Alex Passant: how can I tell zakim that I'm sribing , cannot remember the command ? ←
14:08:12 <KjetilK> ok
Kjetil Kjernsmo: ok ←
14:08:14 <AxelPolleres> scribe: kjetil
(Scribe set to Kjetil Kjernsmo)
14:08:37 <AxelPolleres> resolved: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29
RESOLVED: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29 ←
14:09:06 <LukeWM> scribe: KjetilK
14:09:23 <KjetilK> Regrets: BirteG, EricP, SimonS
14:09:23 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
14:09:23 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:09:34 <AxelPolleres> scribe next time andy
Axel Polleres: scribe next time andy ←
14:09:56 <KjetilK> AlexPassant, yeah, that'll work
AlexPassant, yeah, that'll work ←
14:10:06 <AlexPassant> KjetilK: ok, sorry for the confusion
Kjetil Kjernsmo: ok, sorry for the confusion [ Scribe Assist by Alex Passant ] ←
14:10:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to come up with a concrete agenda for F2F
ACTION: Axel to come up with a concrete agenda for F2F ←
14:10:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Come up with a concrete agenda for F2F [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Come up with a concrete agenda for F2F [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13]. ←
14:10:47 <KjetilK> Topic: Liasons
14:10:48 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons
14:11:00 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: anything to report?
Axel Polleres: anything to report? ←
14:11:10 <SteveH> should we have an e-gov liasson?
Steve Harris: should we have an e-gov liasson? ←
14:11:34 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: there is something from RIF; it is now CR
Axel Polleres: there is something from RIF; it is now CR ←
14:12:26 <KjetilK> +1
+1 ←
14:12:42 <AxelPolleres> proposed: add SteveH as liaison contact for e-Gov xg
PROPOSED: add SteveH as liaison contact for e-Gov xg ←
14:12:57 <KjetilK> s/xg/ig/
s/xg/ig/ ←
14:13:06 <SteveH> no, XG is correct
Steve Harris: no, XG is correct ←
14:13:10 <AlexPassant> any liaison for the provenance XG as well ?
Alex Passant: any liaison for the provenance XG as well ? ←
14:13:11 <KjetilK> oh, sorry
oh, sorry ←
14:13:32 <AxelPolleres> Orri: rdb2rdff starts this or next? week
Orri Erling: rdb2rdff starts this or next? week [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:13:54 <AxelPolleres> axel: RIF is a CR since Oct 1
Axel Polleres: RIF is a CR since Oct 1 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:13:56 <SteveH> oh, no, it is an IG
Steve Harris: oh, no, it is an IG ←
14:14:06 <SteveH> sorry KjetilK
Steve Harris: sorry KjetilK ←
14:14:20 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
14:14:50 <KjetilK> Topic: Using Action tracker for task forces
14:15:02 <KjetilK> Topic: ACTIONS
14:15:40 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open ←
14:16:01 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
14:16:03 <kasei> ericP: still waiting on cvs access :\
Eric Prud'hommeaux: still waiting on cvs access :\ [ Scribe Assist by Greg Williams ] ←
14:16:05 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P7 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P7 is me ←
14:16:05 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:16:14 <kasei> s/:/,/
Greg Williams: s/:/,/ ←
14:16:31 <KjetilK> I have completed LeeF's ACTION-107
I have completed LeeF's ACTION-107 ←
14:16:58 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-92
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-92 ←
14:16:58 <trackbot> ACTION-92 Make a comment making it clear that we intend to merge this content with the old document. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-92 Make a comment making it clear that we intend to merge this content with the old document. closed ←
14:17:59 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-93
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-93 ←
14:17:59 <trackbot> ACTION-93 talk with AndyS on ISSUE-41, closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-93 talk with AndyS on ISSUE-41, closed ←
14:18:01 <ericP> kasei, w3c web id?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: kasei, w3c web id? ←
14:18:14 <kasei> ericP, gwilliam
Greg Williams: ericP, gwilliam ←
14:18:15 <AxelPolleres> simonS?
Axel Polleres: simonS? ←
14:18:24 <KjetilK> SimonS is on IRC
SimonS is on IRC ←
14:18:39 <SimonS> here
Simon Schenk: here ←
14:18:57 <SimonS> cannot call in atm
Simon Schenk: cannot call in atm ←
14:19:01 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: has there been any discussion on the structure of the Query and Update documents?
Axel Polleres: has there been any discussion on the structure of the Query and Update documents? ←
14:19:33 <KjetilK> ...: it is in the works
...: it is in the works ←
14:19:45 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:19:45 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:20:26 <ericP> kasei, it looks like i have a couple reqs fro you
Eric Prud'hommeaux: kasei, it looks like i have a couple reqs fro you ←
14:20:40 <ericP> will have to look after this session (i'm in a conference)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: will have to look after this session (i'm in a conference) ←
14:20:49 <AndyS> See related notes comment for this action
Andy Seaborne: See related notes comment for this action ←
14:21:02 <kasei> ericP, ok thanks (as always)
Greg Williams: ericP, ok thanks (as always) ←
14:21:07 <AndyS> "This is probably not going to be done until/unless were clear on whether the function library will be included in /Query 1.1. [Steve Harris]"
Andy Seaborne: "This is probably not going to be done until/unless were clear on whether the function library will be included in /Query 1.1. [Steve Harris]" ←
14:21:48 <AndyS> action #97
Andy Seaborne: action #97 ←
14:21:48 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax ←
14:23:07 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: I suggest we discuss this after FPWD
Axel Polleres: I suggest we discuss this after FPWD ←
14:23:22 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document
PROPOSED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document ←
14:23:23 <SteveH> we should discuss it when we know whether term permits or not
Steve Harris: we should discuss it when we know whether term permits or not ←
14:23:27 <SteveH> it's premature until then
Steve Harris: it's premature until then ←
14:23:32 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:23:40 <KjetilK> +1
+1 ←
14:23:53 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:23:54 <ivanh> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:23:58 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:24:04 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document
RESOLVED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document ←
14:24:05 <chimezie> 0
Chime Ogbuji: 0 ←
14:24:08 <AndyS> (+1 to steve)
Andy Seaborne: (+1 to steve) ←
14:24:49 <AxelPolleres> topic: status of reviews
14:25:26 <SteveH> link?
Steve Harris: link? ←
14:28:06 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0011.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0011.html ←
14:28:14 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0008.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0008.html ←
14:28:28 <AndyS> Reviews of SPARQL 1.1. (Axel and Birte)
Andy Seaborne: Reviews of SPARQL 1.1. (Axel and Birte) ←
14:30:13 <KjetilK> AndyS: which documents are we voting on?
Andy Seaborne: which documents are we voting on? ←
14:30:51 <Zakim> +Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek ←
14:30:54 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: I think we should do it next time, since there are quite a few regrets this time
Axel Polleres: I think we should do it next time, since there are quite a few regrets this time ←
14:31:15 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: Ivanh, should we vote this time to finish it before ISWC?
Axel Polleres: Ivanh, should we vote this time to finish it before ISWC? ←
14:31:18 <LeeF> Sorry I'm not on the call, everyone - wanted to say that if we think we're ready or close-to-ready for FPWD for Query and for Update
Lee Feigenbaum: Sorry I'm not on the call, everyone - wanted to say that if we think we're ready or close-to-ready for FPWD for Query and for Update ←
14:31:25 <LeeF> then it would be great for us to resolve to publish those
Lee Feigenbaum: then it would be great for us to resolve to publish those ←
14:31:32 <LeeF> even if the rest of the docs need to evolve a bit more
Lee Feigenbaum: even if the rest of the docs need to evolve a bit more ←
14:31:40 <SteveH> Update is not in a state to review it
Steve Harris: Update is not in a state to review it ←
14:31:48 <LeeF> I think it's a publicity win to have Query and Update published in advance of ISWC
Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's a publicity win to have Query and Update published in advance of ISWC ←
14:31:50 <LeeF> OK
Lee Feigenbaum: OK ←
14:31:54 <LeeF> well, even query
Lee Feigenbaum: well, even query ←
14:32:01 <LeeF> s/even query/even just query
Lee Feigenbaum: s/even query/even just query ←
14:32:25 <kasei> LeeF, ivanh says on the call that voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc...
Greg Williams: LeeF, ivanh says on the call that voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc... ←
14:32:34 <LeeF> thanks, kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: thanks, kasei ←
14:32:51 <KjetilK> ivanh: voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc...
Ivan Herman: voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc... ←
14:33:07 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ ←
14:34:29 <KjetilK> AndyS: the material we are voting on is going to be merged into one single document
Andy Seaborne: the material we are voting on is going to be merged into one single document ←
14:34:37 <AxelPolleres> "The final version of this draft shall be integrated with the earlier SPARQL/Query 1.0 document to produce a new document."
Axel Polleres: "The final version of this draft shall be integrated with the earlier SPARQL/Query 1.0 document to produce a new document." ←
14:34:42 <KjetilK> AndyS: is that new document going to be SPARQL 1.1?
Andy Seaborne: is that new document going to be SPARQL 1.1? ←
14:35:13 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: AndyS asks if we should publish this under the proposed name, right?
Axel Polleres: AndyS asks if we should publish this under the proposed name, right? ←
14:36:09 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: another possibility is to publish this under a different name
Axel Polleres: another possibility is to publish this under a different name ←
14:36:28 <KjetilK> ivanh: I think it is OK to use that name for it allready
Ivan Herman: I think it is OK to use that name for it allready ←
14:36:38 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, I think the wording is fine
Steve Harris: AxelPolleres, I think the wording is fine ←
14:36:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: remove "to produce a new document" from Status section.�
PROPOSED: remove "to produce a new document" from Status section.� ←
14:36:50 <SteveH> -1
Steve Harris: -1 ←
14:36:56 <KjetilK> 0
0 ←
14:38:43 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ ←
14:38:45 <KjetilK> ivanh: I will look into it
Ivan Herman: I will look into it ←
14:39:27 <ivanh> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/ ←
14:39:49 <KjetilK> ivanh: the shortname on IRC is ok
Ivan Herman: the shortname on IRC is ok ←
14:40:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/
PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ ←
14:40:10 <SteveH> 2nded
Steve Harris: 2nded ←
14:40:21 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:41:04 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes
PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes ←
14:41:23 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
14:41:35 <SteveH> +1 (Garlik)
Steve Harris: +1 (Garlik) ←
14:41:39 <AndyS> +1 (HP)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (HP) ←
14:41:39 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Greg Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
14:41:43 <KjetilK> 0 (Computas) # I haven't really had time to review it
0 (Computas) # I haven't really had time to review it ←
14:41:48 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)
Alex Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG) ←
14:42:07 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)
Chime Ogbuji: +1 (CCF) ←
14:42:17 <SimonS> +1
Simon Schenk: +1 ←
14:42:23 <KjetilK> Zakim: unmute me
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14:42:32 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me
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14:42:33 <OlivierCorby> +1(INRIA)
Olivier Corby: +1(INRIA) ←
14:43:08 <ivanh> +1 (OpenLink) (from Orri who does not have IRC)
Ivan Herman: +1 (OpenLink) (from Orri who does not have IRC) ←
14:43:35 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
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14:43:35 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
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14:43:36 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes
RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes ←
14:43:41 <ivanh> clap clap clap
Ivan Herman: clap clap clap ←
14:44:09 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me
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14:44:12 <LukeWM_> q+
Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←
14:44:25 <AndyS> Which update?
Andy Seaborne: Which update? ←
14:44:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html ←
14:44:33 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:44:44 <AxelPolleres> topic: SPARQL/Update
14:45:07 <AndyS> So this is update language?
Andy Seaborne: So this is update language? ←
14:45:13 <SteveH> yes
Steve Harris: yes ←
14:45:25 <AxelPolleres> paul: not quite ready for review.
Paul Gearon: not quite ready for review. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:45:30 <AndyS> Email link is to protocol review.
Andy Seaborne: Email link is to protocol review. ←
14:46:04 <AxelPolleres> simonS, could we get realistically the doc in status to vote next time?
Axel Polleres: simonS, could we get realistically the doc in status to vote next time? ←
14:46:58 <SimonS> I think so.
Simon Schenk: I think so. ←
14:47:55 <SimonS> Paul is up to date again, and I will have time Thursday and Friday.
Simon Schenk: Paul is up to date again, and I will have time Thursday and Friday. ←
14:48:01 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
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14:48:03 <SimonS> The todos are clear.
Simon Schenk: The todos are clear. ←
14:48:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness
ACTION: Luke to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness ←
14:48:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-113 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-10-13]. ←
14:49:07 <SteveH> I think LeeF volunteered too
Steve Harris: I think LeeF volunteered too ←
14:49:08 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Steve to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness
Axel Polleres: ACTION: Steve to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness ←
14:49:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness
ACTION: Lee to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness ←
14:49:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-13]. ←
14:50:00 <AxelPolleres> topic: http-update
14:50:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:50:04 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:50:12 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me
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14:50:32 <AndyS> Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0004.html
Andy Seaborne: Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0004.html ←
14:50:57 <AndyS> Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html
Andy Seaborne: Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html ←
14:51:15 <AxelPolleres> kjetil: who is our audience here?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: who is our audience here? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:51:49 <AxelPolleres> ... do we need all update features or just a tiny subset?
Axel Polleres: ... do we need all update features or just a tiny subset? ←
14:53:04 <AxelPolleres> ...
Axel Polleres: ... ←
14:54:26 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Are all you concerns in your mail?
Axel Polleres: Are all you concerns in your mail? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:56:45 <AxelPolleres> chime: all bust last issue could be addressed.
Chime Ogbuji: all bust last issue could be addressed. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:57:40 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:57:57 <LukeWM_> ack me
Luke Wilson-Mawer: ack me ←
14:58:18 <KjetilK> I propose to not mention the proxy graph identifier for now
I propose to not mention the proxy graph identifier for now ←
14:59:40 <KjetilK> INSERT INTO <http://foobar.com> { payload }
INSERT INTO <http://foobar.com> { payload } ←
15:00:04 <SteveH> but that's horribly unfreindly, if youhave eg RDF/XML data
Steve Harris: but that's horribly unfreindly, if youhave eg RDF/XML data ←
15:00:36 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
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15:01:37 <Zakim> +??P54
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15:01:40 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Kjetil to draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier
ACTION: Kjetil to draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier ←
15:01:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier [on Kjetil Kjernsmo - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier [on Kjetil Kjernsmo - due 2009-10-13]. ←
15:01:41 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P54 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P54 is me ←
15:01:41 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
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15:02:12 <AlexPassant> scribe: AlexPassant
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15:02:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html
ACTION: Chime to address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html ←
15:02:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-10-13]. ←
15:02:50 <Zakim> -KjetilK
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15:02:59 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next topic is Service Description document
Axel Polleres: next topic is Service Description document ←
15:03:16 <AxelPolleres> topic: Service Description document
15:03:18 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
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15:03:26 <AlexPassant> ... status ?
... status ? ←
15:03:33 <AlexPassant> kasei: not having CVS access
Greg Williams: not having CVS access ←
15:03:37 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
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15:03:43 <AlexPassant> ... but got some feedback from AndyS and AxelPolleres
... but got some feedback from AndyS and AxelPolleres ←
15:03:53 <AlexPassant> ... some questions regarding the feedback exchanged by e-mail
... some questions regarding the feedback exchanged by e-mail ←
15:04:00 <AndyS> Link to (Un)review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0015.html
Andy Seaborne: Link to (Un)review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0015.html ←
15:04:14 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS brought up the point of entailement based on the graph and not on the whole dataset
... AndyS brought up the point of entailement based on the graph and not on the whole dataset ←
15:04:18 <AndyS> Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0010.html
Andy Seaborne: Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0010.html ←
15:04:32 <AlexPassant> ... property that discuss the entailement for a graph ?
... property that discuss the entailement for a graph ? ←
15:04:46 <AlexPassant> ... on the dataset, or ability to say both ?
... on the dataset, or ability to say both ? ←
15:04:57 <chimezie> haven't we essentially made that decision by deciding not to support the user being specific about which entailment regimes are applicable and to which graphs?
Chime Ogbuji: haven't we essentially made that decision by deciding not to support the user being specific about which entailment regimes are applicable and to which graphs? ←
15:05:06 <AlexPassant> ... is that necessary ?
... is that necessary ? ←
15:05:15 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: issue also related to the entailement document
Axel Polleres: issue also related to the entailement document ←
15:05:19 <AlexPassant> ... needs further clarification
... needs further clarification ←
15:05:20 <AndyS> ?
Andy Seaborne: ? ←
15:05:30 <AlexPassant> ... any issue on that ?
... any issue on that ? ←
15:05:35 <AlexPassant> ... need to raise one
... need to raise one ←
15:05:57 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:06:20 <AlexPassant> AndyS: agree with greg
Andy Seaborne: agree with greg ←
15:06:32 <AlexPassant> ... common case, dataset have only a default graph
... common case, dataset have only a default graph ←
15:07:04 <AlexPassant> kasei: will it be ok to describe the entailement for the whole dataset ?
Greg Williams: will it be ok to describe the entailement for the whole dataset ? ←
15:07:17 <AlexPassant> ... describing default graph, etc. with other properties (as entailement per graph)
... describing default graph, etc. with other properties (as entailement per graph) ←
15:07:31 <AlexPassant> AndyS: happy if there is a note in the doc mentioning that there can be graph-based entailement
Andy Seaborne: happy if there is a note in the doc mentioning that there can be graph-based entailement ←
15:07:35 <AlexPassant> ... that can be discussed later
... that can be discussed later ←
15:07:57 <AlexPassant> kasei: pointing it in the realm of service description
Greg Williams: pointing it in the realm of service description ←
15:08:09 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: suggested working for that issue ?
Axel Polleres: suggested working for that issue ? ←
15:08:27 <kasei> s/pointing/punting/
Greg Williams: s/pointing/punting/ ←
15:08:36 <SteveH> do we really need an issue for that?
Steve Harris: do we really need an issue for that? ←
15:08:42 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE: should entailment-regimes be declared over �the whole dataset or indicidual graphs?
Axel Polleres: ISSUE: should entailment-regimes be declared over �the whole dataset or indicidual graphs? ←
15:09:07 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: raising the issue will help to link from the doc
Axel Polleres: raising the issue will help to link from the doc ←
15:09:19 <AlexPassant> SteveH: worrying about duplicating
Steve Harris: worrying about duplicating ←
15:09:24 <AlexPassant> ... get comments on documents and comments on the issues
... get comments on documents and comments on the issues ←
15:09:45 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: godd to have it in the doc, but tracker keeps an overview of what's open
Axel Polleres: godd to have it in the doc, but tracker keeps an overview of what's open ←
15:09:55 <AlexPassant> ... continue the policy that we had so far
... continue the policy that we had so far ←
15:10:01 <AlexPassant> s/godd/good
s/godd/good ←
15:10:45 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: any other question on the reviews ?
Axel Polleres: any other question on the reviews ? ←
15:10:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: AxelPolleres mentioned a way to discuss default and named graphs
Greg Williams: AxelPolleres mentioned a way to discuss default and named graphs ←
15:11:18 <AlexPassant> ... will go into a note - ony one property to link a service to the desription on the SD vocabulary
... will go into a note - ony one property to link a service to the desription on the SD vocabulary ←
15:11:28 <AlexPassant> s/ony/only
s/ony/only ←
15:11:34 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: mention it in the doc ?
Axel Polleres: mention it in the doc ? ←
15:11:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: AndyS and AxelPolleres mentioned an example to void
Greg Williams: AndyS and AxelPolleres mentioned an example to void ←
15:12:21 <AlexPassant> AndyS: what is normative and informative in the SD document
Andy Seaborne: what is normative and informative in the SD document ←
15:12:53 <AxelPolleres> to make example on extensibility by other vocabs informative seems good.
Axel Polleres: to make example on extensibility by other vocabs informative seems good. ←
15:13:08 <AndyS> s/is/if/
Andy Seaborne: s/is/if/ ←
15:14:10 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: mention explicitely (ideally with an example) how such extensibility could include
Axel Polleres: mention explicitely (ideally with an example) how such extensibility could include ←
15:14:19 <AlexPassant> kasei: ok
Greg Williams: ok ←
15:14:33 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: do not need to agree on a vocabulary at the moment, example vocab should work
Axel Polleres: do not need to agree on a vocabulary at the moment, example vocab should work ←
15:14:47 <AlexPassant> +1 for mentioning it as an example
+1 for mentioning it as an example ←
15:14:51 <AlexPassant> along maybe with DARQ
along maybe with DARQ ←
15:15:10 <SimonS> void is undergoing revision anyway.
Simon Schenk: void is undergoing revision anyway. ←
15:15:22 <SimonS> +1 for AlexPassant
Simon Schenk: +1 for AlexPassant ←
15:16:06 <AlexPassant> http://darq.sf.net/dose/0.1# is 404 :-(
http://darq.sf.net/dose/0.1# is 404 :-( ←
15:16:17 <AlexPassant> kasei: will sent tothe list before next t-con
Greg Williams: will sent tothe list before next t-con ←
15:16:22 <AlexPassant> ... will try by the end of the week
... will try by the end of the week ←
15:16:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD
ACTION: greg to incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD ←
15:16:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-117 - Incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-10-13]. ←
15:17:32 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
15:17:32 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
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15:18:07 <AxelPolleres> topic: entailment regimes doc.
15:19:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ivanH to review sparql-entailment
ACTION: ivanH to review sparql-entailment ←
15:19:41 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanH
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15:19:48 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:20:42 <ivanh> action: ivanh to review sparql-entailement
ACTION: ivanh to review sparql-entailement ←
15:20:42 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh ←
15:20:42 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
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15:21:08 <ivanh> action: ivanherman to review sparql entailement document
ACTION: ivanherman to review sparql entailement document ←
15:21:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanherman
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15:22:04 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ivanh to review the RDFS part of sparql-entailment
ACTION: ivanh to review the RDFS part of sparql-entailment ←
15:22:04 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh
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15:22:04 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivanh, imikhail)
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15:22:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to enter ivanh's action manuallty
ACTION: axel to enter ivanh's action manuallty ←
15:22:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Enter ivanh's action manuallty [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-118 - Enter ivanh's action manuallty [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13]. ←
15:23:39 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
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15:23:45 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: meeting ajourned
Axel Polleres: meeting ajourned ←
15:23:45 <LukeWM_> bye
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15:23:46 <Zakim> -Ivanh
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15:23:51 <pgearon> bye. And thanks
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15:23:51 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
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15:25:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivanh, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, AlexPassant, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, LukeWM, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, KjetilK, pgearon, +1.617.588.aabb, Prateek
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