IRC log of htmlt on 2009-12-08
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 16:02:56 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-irc
- 16:02:59 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'list conference', plh
- 16:03:14 [Zakim]
- ok, plh, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM already started
- 16:03:19 [annevk]
- Zakim, passcode?
- 16:03:25 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
- 16:03:43 [jgriffin]
- jgriffin has joined #htmlt
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- - +0131208aabb
- 16:04:02 [Zakim]
- +Plh
- 16:04:12 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 48658 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
- 16:04:15 [Zakim]
- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- 16:04:22 [Zakim]
- +Mike
- 16:04:58 [gsnedders]
- I can hear it…
- 16:05:02 [Zakim]
- + +0131208aacc
- 16:05:06 [adrianba]
- zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
- 16:05:14 [gsnedders]
- But seemingly Zakim doesn't see me
- 16:05:15 [gsnedders]
- gah
- 16:05:18 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 16:05:25 [jgriffin]
- the 1.425 number is me
- 16:05:30 [Zakim]
- +krisk, adrianba; got it
- 16:05:31 [gsnedders]
- That might be me just disconnecting
- 16:05:31 [annevk]
- Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
- 16:05:45 [gsnedders]
- Let me try again
- 16:05:46 [plh]
- zakim, aaaa is jgriffin
- 16:05:52 [Zakim]
- - +0131208aacc
- 16:05:57 [Zakim]
- +annevk; got it
- 16:06:14 [Zakim]
- +jgriffin; got it
- 16:06:33 [Zakim]
- + +0131208aadd
- 16:06:49 [gsnedders]
- Zakim still not seeing me…
- 16:07:18 [annevk]
- gsnedders, you are aaadd
- 16:07:28 [plh]
- seeing in what sense? are you on the bridge?
- 16:07:28 [annevk]
- you were aacc before
- 16:07:29 [gsnedders]
- Can you hear me speaking though?
- 16:07:31 [annevk]
- no
- 16:07:54 [annevk]
- no skype?
- 16:08:10 [krisk]
- I can hear phl, not gsnedders
- 16:08:20 [plh]
- zakim, aadd is gsnedders
- 16:08:20 [Zakim]
- +gsnedders; got it
- 16:08:24 [gsnedders]
- I'm on Skype
- 16:08:35 [plh]
- can you hear us?
- 16:08:38 [gsnedders]
- I think the sound issue is at an OS level
- 16:08:38 [annevk]
- weird
- 16:08:43 [gsnedders]
- I can hear people typing
- 16:08:44 [gsnedders]
- gah
- 16:09:49 [krisk]
- lets get going
- 16:10:20 [annevk]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 16:10:24 [MikeSmith]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 16:10:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html MikeSmith
- 16:10:52 [krisk]
- scribe: krisk
- 16:11:10 [krisk]
- meeting: HTML5 Task Force
- 16:11:47 [krisk]
- thanks for showing up, to the first meeting
- 16:12:25 [krisk]
- Items setup CVS, Bugzilla, tracker
- 16:13:31 [krisk]
- plh: CVS - status w3c system team working on something besides CVS (longterm)
- 16:13:46 [plh]
- mercurial
- 16:13:49 [plh]
- git
- 16:14:47 [krisk]
- [phl] members should be able to use mercurial
- 16:15:14 [krisk]
- Will this work for folks in the long term?
- 16:15:16 [gsnedders]
- And I know the general preference within Opera in Mercurial
- 16:15:20 [gsnedders]
- *is
- 16:15:34 [krisk]
- [annevk] Mercurial will work for opera
- 16:16:34 [krisk]
- phl - can I give you an aciton item via tracker to come back with a status update for moving away from CVS
- 16:17:02 [krisk]
- Can we get a wiki setup?
- 16:17:38 [plh]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/
- 16:17:56 [krisk]
- [krisk] I'll take an action to setup some basic content on the wiki
- 16:17:58 [MikeSmith]
- so http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/wiki
- 16:18:12 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: OK, I can get it set up this week
- 16:18:35 [gsnedders]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 16:18:35 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see jgriffin, [Microsoft], Plh, Mike, annevk, gsnedders
- 16:18:36 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
- 16:18:52 [krisk]
- [krisk] other infra items?
- 16:20:40 [krisk]
- krisk: besides moving away from CVS - we should be all set with infrastructure items
- 16:21:05 [krisk]
- krisk: Next Agenda item metadata
- 16:21:54 [krisk]
- Call to have one or more folks create sample test cases for the group
- 16:22:48 [gsnedders]
- There's all the html5lib tests
- 16:22:55 [krisk]
- krisk: Lets add list of links to the wiki?
- 16:23:43 [annevk]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HtmlTestMaterials
- 16:24:11 [gsnedders]
- Some of that is outdated, though
- 16:24:23 [krisk]
- anyone want to voluneer for updating wiki with this information?
- 16:24:30 [jgriffin]
- I'll update it
- 16:24:47 [gsnedders]
- http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Test_cases
- 16:24:54 [gsnedders]
- http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Testsuite
- 16:25:36 [krisk]
- krisk: good to have one spot with all the various test case
- 16:25:58 [plh]
- http://omocha.w3.org/wiki/newformat
- 16:25:58 [jgriffin]
- yes, I agree
- 16:26:40 [krisk]
- csswg seems to have agreement on this type of format
- 16:27:00 [krisk]
- phl: not optimal for htmlwg
- 16:27:49 [krisk]
- as the spec changes this format will be tough to keep up
- 16:28:01 [jgraham]
- I think that format has too many requirements per file
- 16:28:02 [krisk]
- phl: why metadata?
- 16:28:13 [krisk]
- krisk: agree
- 16:29:13 [gsnedders]
- The other problem is a lot of tests like HTML parsing tests test a large part of the spce
- 16:29:17 [gsnedders]
- *spec
- 16:30:38 [krisk]
- krisk: having meta data in each test case won't work [parser example]
- 16:31:24 [krisk]
- krisk: the 3 items we need to track are pointer back to spec, harness, test case status (submitted, reviewed, invalid, approved)
- 16:32:12 [krisk]
- phl: want link back spec
- 16:32:34 [krisk]
- krisk: as the spec changes well never keep the test up to pointing back to the spec
- 16:34:19 [gsnedders]
- Relying upon section numbers seems terrible
- 16:34:33 [gsnedders]
- (As they are highly volitale)
- 16:35:52 [annevk]
- gsnedders, yeah, we should prolly get stable IDs
- 16:35:56 [annevk]
- for sections
- 16:36:06 [gsnedders]
- Or just rely upon section names, as they're far more stable
- 16:36:14 [MikeSmith]
- I wonder if we if should try to put together a canonical list of section names/feature names
- 16:36:35 [annevk]
- MikeSmith, would be nice for people giving presentations :)
- 16:36:49 [MikeSmith]
- heh
- 16:36:53 [MikeSmith]
- using section number probably ain't good, as gsnedders points out
- 16:36:54 [krisk]
- krisk: sounds like with a canonical list and folders we can close this item?
- 16:38:52 [krisk]
- krisk: I'll take an action item to post this to the wiki
- 16:40:31 [krisk]
- krisk: format /submitted/featurename/submitter/harness/tests /submitted/parser/microsoft/reftest/parser01.htm
- 16:41:37 [krisk]
- other items?
- 16:41:52 [krisk]
- next meeting technically is 12/22 - does this work for folks?
- 16:42:27 [krisk]
- phl: lets only meet if we have items to talk about
- 16:42:31 [krisk]
- krisk: agree
- 16:42:54 [Zakim]
- -Plh
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- -jgriffin
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- -gsnedders
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Mike
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- -annevk
- 16:43:24 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
- 16:43:25 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +1.425.220.aaaa, +0131208aabb, Plh, Mike, +0131208aacc, krisk, adrianba, annevk, jgriffin, +0131208aadd, gsnedders
- 16:43:53 [adrianba]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 16:43:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html adrianba
- 16:46:27 [adrianba]
- plh, looks like RRSAgent didn't capture most of the meeting
- 16:47:40 [plh]
- seems it did to me
- 16:47:43 [plh]
- try reload?
- 16:48:04 [plh]
- Chair: Krisk
- 16:48:09 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
- 16:48:43 [plh]
- s/Items setup/Topic: Items setup/
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- 16:49:33 [plh]
- s/... Next Agenda item metadata/Topic: metadata for tests/
- 16:49:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
- 16:50:23 [plh]
- i/Call to have one/Topic: metadata for tests/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
- 17:56:33 [gsnedders]
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- 18:19:56 [plh]
- zakim, bye
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- 18:19:59 [plh]
- rrsagent, bye
- 18:19:59 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items