16:02:56 RRSAgent has joined #htmlt
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16:02:59 I don't understand 'list conference', plh
16:03:14 ok, plh, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM already started
16:03:19 Zakim, passcode?
16:03:25 Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
16:03:43 jgriffin has joined #htmlt
16:03:50 - +0131208aabb
16:04:02 +Plh
16:04:12 the conference code is 48658 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
16:04:15 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:04:22 +Mike
16:04:58 I can hear it…
16:05:02 + +0131208aacc
16:05:06 zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
16:05:14 But seemingly Zakim doesn't see me
16:05:15 gah
16:05:18 +[IPcaller]
16:05:25 the 1.425 number is me
16:05:30 +krisk, adrianba; got it
16:05:31 That might be me just disconnecting
16:05:31 Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:05:45 Let me try again
16:05:46 zakim, aaaa is jgriffin
16:05:52 - +0131208aacc
16:05:57 +annevk; got it
16:06:14 +jgriffin; got it
16:06:33 + +0131208aadd
16:06:49 Zakim still not seeing me…
16:07:18 gsnedders, you are aaadd
16:07:28 seeing in what sense? are you on the bridge?
16:07:28 you were aacc before
16:07:29 Can you hear me speaking though?
16:07:31 no
16:07:54 no skype?
16:08:10 I can hear phl, not gsnedders
16:08:20 zakim, aadd is gsnedders
16:08:20 +gsnedders; got it
16:08:24 I'm on Skype
16:08:35 can you hear us?
16:08:38 I think the sound issue is at an OS level
16:08:38 weird
16:08:43 I can hear people typing
16:08:44 gah
16:09:49 lets get going
16:10:20 RRSAgent, make logs public
16:10:24 RRSAgent, make minutes
16:10:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:10:52 scribe: krisk
16:11:10 meeting: HTML5 Task Force
16:11:47 thanks for showing up, to the first meeting
16:12:25 Items setup CVS, Bugzilla, tracker
16:13:31 plh: CVS - status w3c system team working on something besides CVS (longterm)
16:13:46 mercurial
16:13:49 git
16:14:47 [phl] members should be able to use mercurial
16:15:14 Will this work for folks in the long term?
16:15:16 And I know the general preference within Opera in Mercurial
16:15:20 *is
16:15:34 [annevk] Mercurial will work for opera
16:16:34 phl - can I give you an aciton item via tracker to come back with a status update for moving away from CVS
16:17:02 Can we get a wiki setup?
16:17:38 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/
16:17:56 [krisk] I'll take an action to setup some basic content on the wiki
16:17:58 so http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/wiki
16:18:12 MikeSmith: OK, I can get it set up this week
16:18:35 Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:18:35 On the phone I see jgriffin, [Microsoft], Plh, Mike, annevk, gsnedders
16:18:36 [Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
16:18:52 [krisk] other infra items?
16:20:40 krisk: besides moving away from CVS - we should be all set with infrastructure items
16:21:05 krisk: Next Agenda item metadata
16:21:54 Call to have one or more folks create sample test cases for the group
16:22:48 There's all the html5lib tests
16:22:55 krisk: Lets add list of links to the wiki?
16:23:43 http://esw.w3.org/topic/HtmlTestMaterials
16:24:11 Some of that is outdated, though
16:24:23 anyone want to voluneer for updating wiki with this information?
16:24:30 I'll update it
16:24:47 http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Test_cases
16:24:54 http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Testsuite
16:25:36 krisk: good to have one spot with all the various test case
16:25:58 http://omocha.w3.org/wiki/newformat
16:25:58 yes, I agree
16:26:40 csswg seems to have agreement on this type of format
16:27:00 phl: not optimal for htmlwg
16:27:49 as the spec changes this format will be tough to keep up
16:28:01 I think that format has too many requirements per file
16:28:02 phl: why metadata?
16:28:13 krisk: agree
16:29:13 The other problem is a lot of tests like HTML parsing tests test a large part of the spce
16:29:17 *spec
16:30:38 krisk: having meta data in each test case won't work [parser example]
16:31:24 krisk: the 3 items we need to track are pointer back to spec, harness, test case status (submitted, reviewed, invalid, approved)
16:32:12 phl: want link back spec
16:32:34 krisk: as the spec changes well never keep the test up to pointing back to the spec
16:34:19 Relying upon section numbers seems terrible
16:34:33 (As they are highly volitale)
16:35:52 gsnedders, yeah, we should prolly get stable IDs
16:35:56 for sections
16:36:06 Or just rely upon section names, as they're far more stable
16:36:14 I wonder if we if should try to put together a canonical list of section names/feature names
16:36:35 MikeSmith, would be nice for people giving presentations :)
16:36:49 heh
16:36:53 using section number probably ain't good, as gsnedders points out
16:36:54 krisk: sounds like with a canonical list and folders we can close this item?
16:38:52 krisk: I'll take an action item to post this to the wiki
16:40:31 krisk: format /submitted/featurename/submitter/harness/tests /submitted/parser/microsoft/reftest/parser01.htm
16:41:37 other items?
16:41:52 next meeting technically is 12/22 - does this work for folks?
16:42:27 phl: lets only meet if we have items to talk about
16:42:31 krisk: agree
16:42:54 -Plh
16:42:56 -jgriffin
16:42:57 -gsnedders
16:43:01 -[Microsoft]
16:43:02 -Mike
16:43:23 -annevk
16:43:24 HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
16:43:25 Attendees were +1.425.220.aaaa, +0131208aabb, Plh, Mike, +0131208aacc, krisk, adrianba, annevk, jgriffin, +0131208aadd, gsnedders
16:43:53 RRSAgent, make minutes
16:43:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html adrianba
16:46:27 plh, looks like RRSAgent didn't capture most of the meeting
16:47:40 seems it did to me
16:47:43 try reload?
16:48:04 Chair: Krisk
16:48:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
16:48:43 s/Items setup/Topic: Items setup/
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16:49:33 s/... Next Agenda item metadata/Topic: metadata for tests/
16:49:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
16:50:23 i/Call to have one/Topic: metadata for tests/
16:50:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
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18:19:56 zakim, bye
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18:19:59 rrsagent, bye
18:19:59 I see no action items