IRC log of htmlt on 2009-12-08

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16:02:59 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'list conference', plh
16:03:14 [Zakim]
ok, plh, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM already started
16:03:19 [annevk]
Zakim, passcode?
16:03:25 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
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- +0131208aabb
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+Plh
16:04:12 [Zakim]
the conference code is 48658 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
16:04:15 [Zakim]
ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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+Mike
16:04:58 [gsnedders]
I can hear it…
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+ +0131208aacc
16:05:06 [adrianba]
zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
16:05:14 [gsnedders]
But seemingly Zakim doesn't see me
16:05:15 [gsnedders]
gah
16:05:18 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
16:05:25 [jgriffin]
the 1.425 number is me
16:05:30 [Zakim]
+krisk, adrianba; got it
16:05:31 [gsnedders]
That might be me just disconnecting
16:05:31 [annevk]
Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:05:45 [gsnedders]
Let me try again
16:05:46 [plh]
zakim, aaaa is jgriffin
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- +0131208aacc
16:05:57 [Zakim]
+annevk; got it
16:06:14 [Zakim]
+jgriffin; got it
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+ +0131208aadd
16:06:49 [gsnedders]
Zakim still not seeing me…
16:07:18 [annevk]
gsnedders, you are aaadd
16:07:28 [plh]
seeing in what sense? are you on the bridge?
16:07:28 [annevk]
you were aacc before
16:07:29 [gsnedders]
Can you hear me speaking though?
16:07:31 [annevk]
no
16:07:54 [annevk]
no skype?
16:08:10 [krisk]
I can hear phl, not gsnedders
16:08:20 [plh]
zakim, aadd is gsnedders
16:08:20 [Zakim]
+gsnedders; got it
16:08:24 [gsnedders]
I'm on Skype
16:08:35 [plh]
can you hear us?
16:08:38 [gsnedders]
I think the sound issue is at an OS level
16:08:38 [annevk]
weird
16:08:43 [gsnedders]
I can hear people typing
16:08:44 [gsnedders]
gah
16:09:49 [krisk]
lets get going
16:10:20 [annevk]
RRSAgent, make logs public
16:10:24 [MikeSmith]
RRSAgent, make minutes
16:10:24 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:10:52 [krisk]
scribe: krisk
16:11:10 [krisk]
meeting: HTML5 Task Force
16:11:47 [krisk]
thanks for showing up, to the first meeting
16:12:25 [krisk]
Items setup CVS, Bugzilla, tracker
16:13:31 [krisk]
plh: CVS - status w3c system team working on something besides CVS (longterm)
16:13:46 [plh]
mercurial
16:13:49 [plh]
git
16:14:47 [krisk]
[phl] members should be able to use mercurial
16:15:14 [krisk]
Will this work for folks in the long term?
16:15:16 [gsnedders]
And I know the general preference within Opera in Mercurial
16:15:20 [gsnedders]
*is
16:15:34 [krisk]
[annevk] Mercurial will work for opera
16:16:34 [krisk]
phl - can I give you an aciton item via tracker to come back with a status update for moving away from CVS
16:17:02 [krisk]
Can we get a wiki setup?
16:17:38 [plh]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/
16:17:56 [krisk]
[krisk] I'll take an action to setup some basic content on the wiki
16:17:58 [MikeSmith]
so http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/wiki
16:18:12 [MikeSmith]
MikeSmith: OK, I can get it set up this week
16:18:35 [gsnedders]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:18:35 [Zakim]
On the phone I see jgriffin, [Microsoft], Plh, Mike, annevk, gsnedders
16:18:36 [Zakim]
[Microsoft] has krisk, adrianba
16:18:52 [krisk]
[krisk] other infra items?
16:20:40 [krisk]
krisk: besides moving away from CVS - we should be all set with infrastructure items
16:21:05 [krisk]
krisk: Next Agenda item metadata
16:21:54 [krisk]
Call to have one or more folks create sample test cases for the group
16:22:48 [gsnedders]
There's all the html5lib tests
16:22:55 [krisk]
krisk: Lets add list of links to the wiki?
16:23:43 [annevk]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HtmlTestMaterials
16:24:11 [gsnedders]
Some of that is outdated, though
16:24:23 [krisk]
anyone want to voluneer for updating wiki with this information?
16:24:30 [jgriffin]
I'll update it
16:24:47 [gsnedders]
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Test_cases
16:24:54 [gsnedders]
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Testsuite
16:25:36 [krisk]
krisk: good to have one spot with all the various test case
16:25:58 [plh]
http://omocha.w3.org/wiki/newformat
16:25:58 [jgriffin]
yes, I agree
16:26:40 [krisk]
csswg seems to have agreement on this type of format
16:27:00 [krisk]
phl: not optimal for htmlwg
16:27:49 [krisk]
as the spec changes this format will be tough to keep up
16:28:01 [jgraham]
I think that format has too many requirements per file
16:28:02 [krisk]
phl: why metadata?
16:28:13 [krisk]
krisk: agree
16:29:13 [gsnedders]
The other problem is a lot of tests like HTML parsing tests test a large part of the spce
16:29:17 [gsnedders]
*spec
16:30:38 [krisk]
krisk: having meta data in each test case won't work [parser example]
16:31:24 [krisk]
krisk: the 3 items we need to track are pointer back to spec, harness, test case status (submitted, reviewed, invalid, approved)
16:32:12 [krisk]
phl: want link back spec
16:32:34 [krisk]
krisk: as the spec changes well never keep the test up to pointing back to the spec
16:34:19 [gsnedders]
Relying upon section numbers seems terrible
16:34:33 [gsnedders]
(As they are highly volitale)
16:35:52 [annevk]
gsnedders, yeah, we should prolly get stable IDs
16:35:56 [annevk]
for sections
16:36:06 [gsnedders]
Or just rely upon section names, as they're far more stable
16:36:14 [MikeSmith]
I wonder if we if should try to put together a canonical list of section names/feature names
16:36:35 [annevk]
MikeSmith, would be nice for people giving presentations :)
16:36:49 [MikeSmith]
heh
16:36:53 [MikeSmith]
using section number probably ain't good, as gsnedders points out
16:36:54 [krisk]
krisk: sounds like with a canonical list and folders we can close this item?
16:38:52 [krisk]
krisk: I'll take an action item to post this to the wiki
16:40:31 [krisk]
krisk: format /submitted/featurename/submitter/harness/tests /submitted/parser/microsoft/reftest/parser01.htm
16:41:37 [krisk]
other items?
16:41:52 [krisk]
next meeting technically is 12/22 - does this work for folks?
16:42:27 [krisk]
phl: lets only meet if we have items to talk about
16:42:31 [krisk]
krisk: agree
16:42:54 [Zakim]
-Plh
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-jgriffin
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-gsnedders
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-[Microsoft]
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-Mike
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-annevk
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HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
16:43:25 [Zakim]
Attendees were +1.425.220.aaaa, +0131208aabb, Plh, Mike, +0131208aacc, krisk, adrianba, annevk, jgriffin, +0131208aadd, gsnedders
16:43:53 [adrianba]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html adrianba
16:46:27 [adrianba]
plh, looks like RRSAgent didn't capture most of the meeting
16:47:40 [plh]
seems it did to me
16:47:43 [plh]
try reload?
16:48:04 [plh]
Chair: Krisk
16:48:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
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s/Items setup/Topic: Items setup/
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s/... Next Agenda item metadata/Topic: metadata for tests/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
16:50:23 [plh]
i/Call to have one/Topic: metadata for tests/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-htmlt-minutes.html plh
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18:19:56 [plh]
zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
18:19:59 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items