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16:58:53 RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:58:55 Zakim, this will be HTML
16:58:55 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:58:56 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:58:56 Date: 03 December 2009
16:59:03 zakim, mute dsinger
16:59:03 dsinger should now be muted
16:59:12 +Gregory_Rosmaita
16:59:20 zakim, mute cardona507
16:59:20 sorry, cardona507, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cardona507
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16:59:48 zakim, who is here?
16:59:48 On the phone I see dsinger (muted), Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita
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16:59:50 On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, dsinger_, Stevef, MichaelC, cardona507, myakura, mjs, Laura, LeifHS, oedipus, aroben, miketaylr, kliehm, MikeSmith, gavin,
16:59:53 zakim, call janina
16:59:54 ... tlr, tH, JoePeck, ROBOd, trackbot, Julian, karl, dsinger, krijnh, shepazu, anne, Yudai, gavin_, hsivonen, Dashiva, jmb, inimino, syp, pimpbot, hober, jgraham, matt, Hixie,
16:59:56 ... gsnedders, Philip, CIA-1, ed_work, xover
16:59:57 ok, janina; the call is being made
16:59:57 +Janina
17:00:01 +Sam
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17:00:40 Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
17:00:40 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:00:41 +Mike
17:00:48 +[IPcaller]
17:00:52 + +1.831.454.aabb
17:01:10 zakim, +1.831.454.aabb is me
17:01:10 +cardona507; got it
17:01:11 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
17:01:11 +Stevef; got it
17:01:12 + +1.617.324.aacc
17:01:14 +kliehm
17:01:17 zakim, mute me
17:01:17 cardona507 should now be muted
17:01:22 zakim, aacc is Michael_Cooper
17:01:22 +Michael_Cooper; got it
17:02:22 + +49.251.280.aadd
17:02:53 Zakim, +49.251.280.aadd is me
17:02:53 +Julian; got it
17:03:10 +[Microsoft]
17:03:17 +Matt_May
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17:04:21 -[Microsoft]
17:04:31 Zakim, +1.415.595.aaee is me
17:04:31 +mjs; got it
17:04:39 + +1.715.718.aaff
17:05:12 ny volunteers to scribe?
17:05:36 - +1.715.718.aaff
17:05:37 zakim, pick a script
17:05:38 I don't understand 'pick a script', rubys1
17:05:43 Zakim, choose victim
17:05:43 I don't understand 'choose victim', mjs
17:05:46 zakim, pick a scribe
17:05:46 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Cooper
17:05:49 zakim, victim?
17:05:49 I don't understand your question, oedipus.
17:06:18 scribe: MichaelC
17:06:38 trackbot, start meeting
17:06:40 RRSAgent, make logs public
17:06:42 Zakim, this will be HTML
17:06:42 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
17:06:43 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:06:43 Date: 03 December 2009
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17:07:18 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0019.html
17:07:19 Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-12-3: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2009-12-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
17:07:44 chair: Maciej_Stachowiak
17:07:59 zakim, mute dsinger
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17:07:59 trackbot: close ACTION-130
17:08:00 ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions closed
17:08:11 topic: Review of due and overdue action items
17:08:13 + +1.715.718.aagg
17:08:33 ACTION-130 done
17:09:25 img Element Change Proposal
17:09:27 http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203
17:09:27 ACTION-131: Change proposal sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0101.html
17:09:27 ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec notes added
17:09:28 Title: HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
17:09:29 Title: change proposal:modification to section 4.8.2.1 the img element from Steven Faulkner on 2009-12-03 (public-html@w3.org from December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
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17:10:02 sf:
17:10:10 trackbot: close ACTION-131
17:10:10 ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec closed
17:10:11 ms: can close action now that proposal posted
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17:10:56 ACTION-138 still ongoing
17:11:07 +li
17:11:11 sf: Discussed matrix in A11Y TF just before this call
17:11:21 Zakim, aagg is me
17:11:22 +Laura; got it
17:11:33 +[Microsoft]
17:11:38 actively working on in TF
17:11:49 ms: timeline to completion?
17:11:58 sf: Today was first discussion in TF, not sure of timeline
17:12:14 perhaps 1 month? should coordinate with A11Y TF facilitators
17:12:16 http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-a11y-minutes.html
17:12:17 Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 03 Dec 2009 (at www.w3.org)
17:12:50 MikeS: Planning to discuss over next week in A11Y TF
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17:13:04 could give an update next week, though it probably won't be complete then
17:13:23 Maciej: this has bumped week to week for months, would prefer to have a single deadline
17:13:47 Gregory: Task force just starting...
17:14:18 Janina: Early-mid January is earliest feasible time
17:14:34 MikeS: January 14 2010
17:15:03 SteveF: much work already done, some ready for review now
17:15:40 Maciej: helpful to post what you have as soon as possible
17:15:50 know some issues in play that good to discuss
17:16:06 updating due date of action
17:16:44 ACTION-158 not complete yet
17:17:04 SteveF: action from TPAC, haven't gotten to yet
17:17:31 need extra time to work on some things, and also want to bring to A11Y TF
17:17:41 +Masinter
17:17:56 Maciej: deadline?
17:18:06 SteveF: 31 December 2010
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17:18:23 topic: Review of submitted change proposals
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17:19:33 i have a question
17:19:38 ==ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)==
17:19:41 I am on mute so I will type
17:20:01 i am kind of unlclear - is stll ok?
17:20:09 yes
17:20:15 and recommended in most situations
17:20:19 thanks larry
17:20:23 +[Apple]
17:20:31 zakim, [apple] has dsinger
17:20:31 +dsinger; got it
17:20:36 Maciej: change proposal makes versioning optional but not mandatory, so yes to above question
17:20:37 -dsinger
17:20:55 ==ISSUE-30 (longdesc)==
17:21:19 Maciej: Charles submitted a change proposal a while back
17:21:30 makes longdesc nonconforming but optional
17:21:38 ==ISSUE-32 (table-summary)==
17:21:51 Maciej: Cynthia posted a proposal with a number of changes
17:22:00 chairs have given structural feedback, expect revision soon
17:22:18 ==ISSUE-56 (urls-webarch)==
17:22:44 Maciej: Proposal to change normative references
17:22:50 some discussion has taken place
17:23:40 speaker1: Suggest people join IRI mailing list to help resolve some of the issues
17:23:49 ==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa)==
17:23:53 s/speaker1/Larry/
17:24:22 Maciej: Proposal was to publish separate draft
17:24:33 now there's a propsal to retain within HTML
17:24:39 there's been discussion on the mailing list
17:24:41 my phone is dying - will rejoin soon
17:24:45 -Gregory_Rosmaita
17:24:47 q+
17:25:09 speaker2: Was proposal to move to separate draft, or just remove altogether?
17:25:30 Maciej: Proposal was to move to external document but not remove altogether
17:25:37 ==ISSUE-83 (dt-dd-semantics)==
17:26:07 Maciej: Proposal to not use dt/dd for
17:26:17 proposed a new element in place
17:26:23 chairs have sent structural feedback
17:26:40 http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
17:26:41 Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
17:27:15 Maciej: above link shows status is change proposals in play
17:27:24 probably won't go through individually each week
17:27:32 just new ones going forward
17:27:46 q-
17:27:47 speaker3: What are next steps?
17:28:05 s/speaker3/Julian/
17:28:27 Maciej: chairs to review level of consensus and strength of arguments
17:28:45 help decide which ones to advance
17:29:01 Julian: What is a change proposal that proposes not doing anything?
17:29:27 Maciej: Originated with ones in response to editor action on a bug entry
17:30:01 Julian: Would there be counter-proposals for each proposal?
17:30:18 Maciej: We might expect this
17:30:30 s/Julian/Larry/ (in the last two lines)
17:30:49 Larry: Is this part of the documented decision process
17:30:58 s/Julian: Would/Larry: Would/
17:31:07 s/Julian: What/Larry: What/
17:31:27 -Mike
17:31:35 Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
17:31:35 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:31:37 +Mike
17:31:46 Maciej: , but let's take questions offline
17:32:10 topic: Review of Chair calls for consensus / proposals
17:32:25 ==ISSUE-7 (video-codecs)==
17:32:44 If we don't receive change proposal by today (3 Dec) will close issue without prejudice
17:33:17 speaker4: There was a proposal to move video element to a separate document
17:33:28 Maciej: haven't yet received a formal change proposal on that
17:33:38 people can submit if they want, by end of today
17:33:42 Change Proposal Template: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate
17:33:43 Title: HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
17:34:12 speaker4: thought that would be a way to resolve the codec issue on a different schedule from the rest of HTML
17:34:32 ==ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)==
17:34:51 Maciej: due today 3 Dec, will close without prejudice if no change proposal received
17:35:02 ==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa) counter-proposals==
17:35:13 maciej: received one counter-proposal yesterday
17:35:28 ==ISSUE-1 (PINGPOST)==
17:35:39 Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
17:35:55 ==ISSUE-2 (PINGUI)==
17:35:57 Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
17:36:05 ==ISSUE-27 (rel-ownership)==
17:36:10 Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
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17:36:18 Paul Cotton has volunteered to submit one
17:36:30 ==ISSUE-87 (attr-normalization)==
17:36:34 Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
17:36:44 ==ISSUE-88 (content-language-multiple)==
17:37:04 Maciej: Leif Halvard Silli has volunteered to submit a proposal by 17 Jan 2010
17:37:15 that's more than a month but the holidays intervene
17:37:33 If you care about the issues above, please take action by the deadlines
17:37:46 speaker4: Clarify closed without prejudice?
17:38:03 s/speaker4: Clarify/Larry: Clarify/
17:38:05 Maciej: Will close in Tracker, and won't consider the issue a blocker for advancement to LC
17:38:25 if a proposal later comes in, it can be considered
17:39:02 we need a clear proposal and rationale
17:39:10 chairs will not try to dig up old discussions
17:39:16 topic: New issues this week
17:39:21 Maciej: none we know of
17:39:30 topic: Status of task forces
17:39:49 ==HTML Accessibility Task Force==
17:40:03 Janina: First teleconference was today
17:40:08 started out mostly procedural
17:40:16 then started scoping issues to review first
17:40:25 taking ARIA integration / mapping issues first
17:40:35 (relates to Steve's action discussed earlier)
17:40:45 taking 24 and 31 Dec 2009 meetings off
17:40:51 mailing list is active on a few issues
17:40:57 video sub-group is forming
17:41:22 issues and possible solutions were covered in a pre-meeting before TPAC
17:41:37 q+
17:41:39 ==Testing Task Force==
17:41:53 Chris: Mailing list active
17:42:00 starting a teleconference slot
17:42:16 q+ to ask about timezone and date of meeting?
17:42:35 planning to come back in early Jan with some preliminary activity
17:42:41 meeting is 8am next week
17:43:05
17:43:08 q-
17:43:13 regrets next week -- during TAG meeting
17:43:19 topic: Scribe for next week
17:43:27
17:43:42 topic: Other business
17:43:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
17:43:52 Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:44:08