IRC log of au on 2009-08-24

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Zakim, this will be AUWG
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ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
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Meeting: WAI AU
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0034.html
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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+Jeanne
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
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+??P3
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zakim, ??P3 is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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+Tim_Boland
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+ +1.416.946.aaaa
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zakim,aaaa is really Jutta
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+Jutta; got it
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regrets: SueAnn N.
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0034.html
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Topic: 1- Any early results/questions about Techniques review?
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+??P17
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-??P17
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Techniques Draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-TECHS-20090814/
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Scribe: JR
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Scribe: Jan
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TB,JT: Clarify the work items from last week....re: review the techniques draft - assigned pieces
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Topic: B.2.4.3
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0035.html
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+??P17
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zakim, ??P17 is really Andrew
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+Andrew; got it
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The intent of this success criterion is to address situations in which
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an author has either not noticed or ignored opportunities for adding
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alternative content and has closed their "authoring session". ATAG 2.0
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does *not* require authoring tools to attempt automated repairs in this
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situation because doing so risks misleading accessibility checking tools
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and end users into the assumption that the alternative content was
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provide or approved by a human author. However, if developers are
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interested in providing automation to assist end users, this success
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criterion acts as a guide. Basically, the success criterion assumes that
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basic repairs (e.g., using text content that is readily available to
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user agents, such as the file name, text metadata within non-text
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objects, the tile of a linked resource, etc.) are best left to user
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agents and assistive technologies, since they can more clear about the
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fact that the alternative content results from an automatic repair,
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rather from a human author. However, in some cases the authoring tool
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will have text information, such as contextual information (e.g., the
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image is the author's profile picture) that the user agent does not have
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equal access to, in which case, the repair can be made by the authoring
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tool. In addition, the success criterion does not limit more technically
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sophisticated repairs that go beyond simple text processing to
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processing images, audio or video. The intent here is encourage, rather
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discourage progress in these rapidly advancing areas.
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Note: When web content technologies include a mechanism for marking text
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alternatives as automatically generated, these mechanisms should be
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employed. Also, because these automatic repairs are, by their nature,
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second-best measures taken only when authors are no longer available, it
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would be preferable for the instances of automated repairs to be flagged
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for author attention in any subsequent authoring sessions.
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SUCCESS CRITERION:
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B.2.4.3 Let user agents repair: After the end of an *authoring session*,
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the *authoring tool* does not attempt to *repair* *alternative content*
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for non-text content using any text values that are equally available to
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*user agents* (e.g., the filename is not used). (Level A)
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-Andrew
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JT: Some way to segment this better?
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JT: THis is what authorin tool should do...this what should be left to the user agent any why...and we want to leave open innovation in the future
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-??P6
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Action: Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph
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Sorry, couldn't find user - Segment
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Action JR: Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph
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Created ACTION-184 - Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph [on Jan Richards - due 2009-08-31].
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Jutta asks Andrew for any comments on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0035.html
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20:36:34 [AndrewR]
I agree with the comments on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0035.html. I think we should urge caution for tools developers choosing some arbitrary information to use in place of information that the author omitted.
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JT: Great thanks
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Topic: 4-Clearing up the ACTIONS list:
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Topic: 3-Clear up the ISSUES list: (http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/issues/open)
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4-Clearing up the ACTIONS list:
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/actions/open
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Topic: 5- Proposed SC B.2.1.X
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JT's original: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0006.html
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JR's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0036.html
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JT: I still believe it fairly critical...educational
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JT: Need to educate authors , guidance because most people don't read documentation
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JT: Lot's of our supports are after mistakes are made
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JT: Can be light-weight and in-line with UI...
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JT: An accesasibility advisor giving variety of choices open to people.
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JT: What are accessibility implications of various things to embark upon
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TB: How expressed?
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JT: Depends on UI...if you do this...you'll need to do X
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JT: Might be "it's easier to be accessible to be with this than this"
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JT: Looking at different CMS and HTML tools, this is very much in line with general fuidance on other things
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JR: Agress but I think we need to focus a bit more
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JT: But might not be HTML, could be flash etc
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-Tim_Boland
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JT: Maybe I could try to draft some techniques and success criteria for this
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Action JT: Re-formulate guideline and scuccess criteria for decision support (B.2.1.X)
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Created ACTION-185 - Re-formulate guideline and scuccess criteria for decision support (B.2.1.X) [on Jutta Treviranus - due 2009-08-31].
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-Jeanne
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-Jan
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-Jutta
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Tim_Boland, +1.416.946.aaaa, Jutta, Andrew
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Next Meeting AUg 31
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Chair: Jutta Treviranus
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-minutes.html Jan
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-irc#T20-27-34
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ACTION: JR to Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-irc#T20-27-44
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ACTION: JT to Re-formulate guideline and scuccess criteria for decision support (B.2.1.X) [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-irc#T20-49-42