IRC log of au on 2009-08-24
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- Zakim, this will be AUWG
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- ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
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- Meeting: WAI AU
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0034.html
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- WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Jeanne
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
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- +Tim_Boland
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- + +1.416.946.aaaa
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- zakim,aaaa is really Jutta
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- +Jutta; got it
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- regrets: SueAnn N.
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0034.html
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- Topic: 1- Any early results/questions about Techniques review?
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- +??P17
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- -??P17
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- Techniques Draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-TECHS-20090814/
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- Scribe: JR
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- Scribe: Jan
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- TB,JT: Clarify the work items from last week....re: review the techniques draft - assigned pieces
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- Topic: B.2.4.3
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0035.html
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- +??P17
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- zakim, ??P17 is really Andrew
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- +Andrew; got it
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- The intent of this success criterion is to address situations in which
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- an author has either not noticed or ignored opportunities for adding
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- alternative content and has closed their "authoring session". ATAG 2.0
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- does *not* require authoring tools to attempt automated repairs in this
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- situation because doing so risks misleading accessibility checking tools
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- and end users into the assumption that the alternative content was
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- provide or approved by a human author. However, if developers are
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- interested in providing automation to assist end users, this success
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- criterion acts as a guide. Basically, the success criterion assumes that
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- basic repairs (e.g., using text content that is readily available to
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- user agents, such as the file name, text metadata within non-text
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- objects, the tile of a linked resource, etc.) are best left to user
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- agents and assistive technologies, since they can more clear about the
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- fact that the alternative content results from an automatic repair,
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- rather from a human author. However, in some cases the authoring tool
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- will have text information, such as contextual information (e.g., the
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- image is the author's profile picture) that the user agent does not have
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- equal access to, in which case, the repair can be made by the authoring
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- tool. In addition, the success criterion does not limit more technically
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- sophisticated repairs that go beyond simple text processing to
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- processing images, audio or video. The intent here is encourage, rather
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- discourage progress in these rapidly advancing areas.
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- Note: When web content technologies include a mechanism for marking text
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- alternatives as automatically generated, these mechanisms should be
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- employed. Also, because these automatic repairs are, by their nature,
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- second-best measures taken only when authors are no longer available, it
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- would be preferable for the instances of automated repairs to be flagged
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- for author attention in any subsequent authoring sessions.
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- SUCCESS CRITERION:
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- B.2.4.3 Let user agents repair: After the end of an *authoring session*,
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- the *authoring tool* does not attempt to *repair* *alternative content*
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- for non-text content using any text values that are equally available to
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- *user agents* (e.g., the filename is not used). (Level A)
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- -Andrew
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- +??P6
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- JT: Some way to segment this better?
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- JT: THis is what authorin tool should do...this what should be left to the user agent any why...and we want to leave open innovation in the future
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- -??P6
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- Action: Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - Segment
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- Action JR: Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph
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- Created ACTION-184 - Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph [on Jan Richards - due 2009-08-31].
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- Jutta asks Andrew for any comments on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0035.html
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- 20:36:34 [AndrewR]
- I agree with the comments on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0035.html. I think we should urge caution for tools developers choosing some arbitrary information to use in place of information that the author omitted.
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- JT: Great thanks
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- Topic: 4-Clearing up the ACTIONS list:
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- Topic: 3-Clear up the ISSUES list: (http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/issues/open)
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- 4-Clearing up the ACTIONS list:
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tracker/actions/open
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- Topic: 5- Proposed SC B.2.1.X
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- JT's original: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0006.html
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- JR's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0036.html
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- JT: I still believe it fairly critical...educational
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- JT: Need to educate authors , guidance because most people don't read documentation
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- JT: Lot's of our supports are after mistakes are made
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- JT: Can be light-weight and in-line with UI...
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- JT: An accesasibility advisor giving variety of choices open to people.
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- JT: What are accessibility implications of various things to embark upon
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- TB: How expressed?
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- JT: Depends on UI...if you do this...you'll need to do X
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- JT: Might be "it's easier to be accessible to be with this than this"
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- JT: Looking at different CMS and HTML tools, this is very much in line with general fuidance on other things
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- JR: Agress but I think we need to focus a bit more
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- JT: But might not be HTML, could be flash etc
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- -Tim_Boland
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- JT: Maybe I could try to draft some techniques and success criteria for this
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- Action JT: Re-formulate guideline and scuccess criteria for decision support (B.2.1.X)
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- Created ACTION-185 - Re-formulate guideline and scuccess criteria for decision support (B.2.1.X) [on Jutta Treviranus - due 2009-08-31].
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- -Jeanne
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- -Jan
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- -Jutta
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- WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Tim_Boland, +1.416.946.aaaa, Jutta, Andrew
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- Next Meeting AUg 31
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- Chair: Jutta Treviranus
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-minutes.html Jan
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- RRSAgent, set logs public
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- Zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-irc#T20-27-34
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- ACTION: JR to Segment B2.4.3 proposal with clarifications on the each paragraph [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-irc#T20-27-44
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- ACTION: JT to Re-formulate guideline and scuccess criteria for decision support (B.2.1.X) [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/24-au-irc#T20-49-42