IRC log of aapi on 2009-07-10
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- meeting: ARIA User Agent Implementation Caucus
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- chair: Cynthia_Shelly
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MichaelC
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#managed-states
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- 4. Managed States
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- 1. 4.1. Exposing Supplemental Interfaces
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- 2. 4.2. Actions
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- 3. 4.3. Changes to document content or node visibility
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- 4. 4.4. Selection
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- 5. 4.5. Menus in MSAA/IAccessible2
- 15:12:46 [Andi]
- scribe: Andi
- 15:12:52 [cyns]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#managed-states
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- MC: 4.2 Actions - if role has no actions, don't need to include it
- 15:16:04 [Andi]
- CS: the ones that have actions are HTML elements and ARIA roles
- 15:16:40 [Andi]
- CS: change "ACTION" to "Default Action", add columns for other actions yet to be defined
- 15:16:58 [Andi]
- CS: for example, some probably have "right-click", etc.
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- DB: draggable - is a property but gives you a new pattern
- 15:17:39 [Andi]
- CS: placeholder for all properties that make other actions possible - draggable, editable, others?
- 15:18:36 [Andi]
- CS: expect that if object has draggable property, browser should do something about it
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- DB: AT could send synthetic mouse down if wanted to start drag action
- 15:20:35 [Andi]
- bug - add something to 4.2 about properties that cause other actions to be possible - draggable, editable, etc.
- 15:20:51 [Andi]
- CS: what events should be fired when action occurs?
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- CS: add column to action table for events that are fired
- 15:22:23 [Andi]
- DB: what changes in state cause the event?
- 15:24:25 [Andi]
- CS: in IE, if click button, get MSAA event AND a DOM event
- 15:25:31 [Andi]
- CS: should at least look at what the DOM events are even if it just informs our work and we don't publish
- 15:26:46 [Andi]
- DB: if have <div role="button"> probably wouldn't want browser to take over - should map to API
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- topic: 4.1 Exposing supplemental interfaces
- 15:28:42 [Andi]
- CS: okay with SHOULD here
- 15:31:33 [Andi]
- bug - Andi - p1 - Make 4.1 into a table, current bullets are IA2 column, need columns for other APIs. Placeholer table for f2f.
- 15:34:25 [Andi]
- add section on events after 4.2 - copy action table, will add events for each API.
- 15:35:51 [Andi]
- CS: organization - actions, then events, 4.3 looks like a sub-section of events
- 15:36:04 [Andi]
- CS: 4.3 looks IA2 specific
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- CS: if 4.3 is important enough to be a separate section, okay
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- CS: suggest table with these bullets as IA2 column
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- DB: may not work as a table
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- CS: need to separate out what needs to be done from each API, may not fit in a table because some are processing steps
- 15:42:44 [davidb]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/#aria-relevant
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- topic: 4.4 Selection
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- bug - selected = true/false/not specified - what does this mean
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- CS: table here is similar to what we need for events
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- CS: need to add a column for DOM, separate MSAA and IA2, add column for MAC
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- MC: how do we expand to additional APIs after publication
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- DB: would be nice if we had a controlled wiki page
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- CS: 4.3, 4.4, and 4.5 are all types of events
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- DB: things like "UA walks the chain ..." are processing - not events
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- CS: like 4.4 approach - numbered steps with a table in some of them - maybe this could work for 4.3 too
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- CS: not sure processing part is normative, as long as things are exposed through the API properly, UA logic doesn't matter
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- topic: 4.5 Menus in MSAA/IAccessible2
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- CS: is this events or not? try it and see how it works
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- AS: do Mac and Linux have these special menu events?
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- bug - David - p2 - look at Mac and Linux - determine if there are menu events comparable to the MSAA events in 4.5
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- topic: 4 Managed States
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- CS: why is it called this?
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- MC: history - browser manages instead of the author
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- MC: most things are author's responsibilities
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- CS: seems like it's just additional mapping
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- Make section 4 additional sections in 3
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- MC: somewhere in the suite, authors need to understand what they have to do vs. what the browser will do
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- -Cooper
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- CS: kind of "meta" information - here's what you have to do and here's what will be done for you
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- +Cooper
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- -Cooper
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- -David_Bolter
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- -Steve_Faulkner
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- WAI_PFWG(ARIA)11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, Cooper, Steve_Faulkner, David_Bolter
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