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14:38:56 <wiecha> Meeting: RWAB Telecon
14:38:59 <wiecha> Chair: wiecha
14:39:26 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Jun/0014.html
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15:01:02 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
15:01:02 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
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15:10:06 <wiecha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009May/0005.html
15:10:54 <John_Boyer> scribe: John
15:11:12 <John_Boyer> Charlie: {Discusses expense report sample}
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15:12:10 <John_Boyer> Charlie: sample gives people idea of relevance of recognizing ODF markup directly in the web browser
15:12:45 <John_Boyer> ... rules language in ODF that generates something like table of contents based on markup in body of document
15:13:05 <John_Boyer> ... conditional rules for content like only show expenses if you have them
15:14:34 <John_Boyer> ... as prototype, would like to put xf:group in the text content to do relevance on the ODF content.
15:15:18 <John_Boyer> ... Presumably you'd want something to only show in table of contents if it was relevant
15:15:44 <John_Boyer> ... So, would show second order ODF language constructs consuming relevance information applied to other parts of document
15:21:42 <John_Boyer> ... Explains that some of the content like "Actual Expenses" will have draw:control elements to expose actual results like "You claimed $200" and possibly even date ranges over which the claimed expenses were made
15:24:24 <John_Boyer> ... An ODF-level calculation could make "clip-level" calculations, but not sure if it should go at the view level or if it would sink down into the XForms application level.
15:25:08 <John_Boyer> John: Think that it would likely be either a constraint or an attenuating calculate to express difference between "expense you had" versus "expense reimbursable according to policy"
15:27:42 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Is there some other calculations that could reasonably be done at the ODF presentation layer?
15:28:03 <John_Boyer> John: There are lots of calculated results that are for presentation only but aren't really needed by the back-end system.
15:28:40 <John_Boyer> ... the expense report total is for the user and the client-side total calculation would not be needed or even necessarily trusted by the server side app
15:28:55 <John_Boyer> Charlie: whole document goes back to the server side
15:29:18 <John_Boyer> John: yes, but document is archived, and data is extracted to drive back end transaction.  Data needs only the inputs, not the calculated totals
15:29:58 <John_Boyer> Charlie: This app including svg, smil, odf shows an emerging set of vocabularies that could be dealt with on the web using a ubiquity approach
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15:32:43 <Zakim> -wiecha
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