IRC log of backplane on 2009-06-30
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- Meeting: RWAB Telecon
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- Chair: wiecha
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Jun/0014.html
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- +[IBM]
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- zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
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- +wiecha; got it
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009May/0005.html
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- scribe: John
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- Charlie: {Discusses expense report sample}
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- 15:12:10 [John_Boyer]
- Charlie: sample gives people idea of relevance of recognizing ODF markup directly in the web browser
- 15:12:45 [John_Boyer]
- ... rules language in ODF that generates something like table of contents based on markup in body of document
- 15:13:05 [John_Boyer]
- ... conditional rules for content like only show expenses if you have them
- 15:14:34 [John_Boyer]
- ... as prototype, would like to put xf:group in the text content to do relevance on the ODF content.
- 15:15:18 [John_Boyer]
- ... Presumably you'd want something to only show in table of contents if it was relevant
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- ... So, would show second order ODF language constructs consuming relevance information applied to other parts of document
- 15:21:42 [John_Boyer]
- ... Explains that some of the content like "Actual Expenses" will have draw:control elements to expose actual results like "You claimed $200" and possibly even date ranges over which the claimed expenses were made
- 15:24:24 [John_Boyer]
- ... An ODF-level calculation could make "clip-level" calculations, but not sure if it should go at the view level or if it would sink down into the XForms application level.
- 15:25:08 [John_Boyer]
- John: Think that it would likely be either a constraint or an attenuating calculate to express difference between "expense you had" versus "expense reimbursable according to policy"
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- Charlie: Is there some other calculations that could reasonably be done at the ODF presentation layer?
- 15:28:03 [John_Boyer]
- John: There are lots of calculated results that are for presentation only but aren't really needed by the back-end system.
- 15:28:40 [John_Boyer]
- ... the expense report total is for the user and the client-side total calculation would not be needed or even necessarily trusted by the server side app
- 15:28:55 [John_Boyer]
- Charlie: whole document goes back to the server side
- 15:29:18 [John_Boyer]
- John: yes, but document is archived, and data is extracted to drive back end transaction. Data needs only the inputs, not the calculated totals
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- Charlie: This app including svg, smil, odf shows an emerging set of vocabularies that could be dealt with on the web using a ubiquity approach
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- -wiecha
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