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12:28:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:28:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
12:28:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:28:41 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2009
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12:29:43 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Guide
12:29:52 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema comments
12:29:53 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:00 <Zakim> + +1.512.286.aaaa
12:30:01 <shadi> agenda+ HTTP in RDF
12:30:10 <shadi> agenda+ Content in RDF
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12:30:19 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Requirements
12:30:29 <MikeS> zakim, +1.512 is MikeS
12:30:29 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
12:30:31 <shadi> agenda+ Pointers in RDF
12:30:38 <shadi> agenda+ Next and future meetings
12:30:49 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:31:06 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
12:31:18 <JohannesK> zakim, Klaus is really me
12:31:18 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
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12:34:39 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
12:35:13 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:37:22 <shadi> scribe: carlosI
12:37:31 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:37:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:48 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:37:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema comments" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:58 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jun/0006.html
12:38:29 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jun/0004.html
12:39:48 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jun/0000
12:40:17 <shadi> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_Document
12:40:59 <carlosI> SAZ: dc:document definition
12:41:23 <carlosI> CI: concerns about redefinition of other vocabularies properties
12:42:26 <carlosI> SAZ: it includes both "physical" and electronic documents
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12:43:46 <Zakim> +JohannesK.a
12:43:52 <carlosI> SAZ: we can take away the term "electronic"
12:44:16 <cvelasco> zakim, johannesk.a is really cvelasco
12:44:16 <Zakim> +cvelasco; got it
12:45:23 <carlosI> SAZ: my proposal is to improve the wording taking care of not redifining the semantics
12:48:00 <carlosI> CV: why do we need the foaf:document?
12:48:10 <carlosI> CV: we can use Content classes
12:52:47 <carlosI> SAZ: Content definitions are very generic
12:53:48 <shadi> s/Content/Test Subject
12:54:23 <carlosI> CV: the problem is the confusion between when to use Content and when to use Document
12:55:56 <shadi> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: (1) adopt wording FOAF about not distinguishing between physical and electronic documents, but highlighting the typical usage (2) respond to Diego that we do not agree that the definition of foaf:Document is too narrow (3) keep editor's note that ERT WG is still debating foaf:Document (4) continue assessing pros/cons of foaf:Document
12:58:27 <shadi> RESOLUTION: (1) adopt wording FOAF about not distinguishing between physical and electronic documents, but highlighting the typical usage (2) respond to Diego that we do not agree that the definition of foaf:Document is too narrow (3) keep editor's note that ERT WG is still debating foaf:Document (4) continue assessing pros/cons of foaf:Document
12:59:37 <carlosI> SAZ: adopt the dcmi-terms namespace
12:59:55 <shadi> RESOLUTION: adopt the DC namespace http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/ in all specs
13:01:19 <cvelasco> Namespace: http://purl.org/dc/terms/
13:02:46 <carlosI> SAZ: need to recheck in all the specs
13:04:40 <carlosI> SAZ: have the same definitions for classes and instances
13:05:25 <shadi> RESOLUTION: rewrite the definition for OutcomeValue classes and instances to separate them semantically
13:06:11 <carlosI> SAZ: need to discuss more about the removal of the should requirements
13:10:38 <shadi> action: shadi to look at ways for firming up the conformance section
13:10:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Look at ways for firming up the conformance section [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-06-10].
13:14:23 <carlosI> SAZ: suggestions for changes to the RDF representation has been checked with Iván
13:14:32 <shadi> RESOLUTION: adopt OWL constructors for all our specs
13:14:33 <carlosI> SAZ: he agrees is a good solution
13:15:46 <cvelasco> <owl:Ontology>
13:16:12 <shadi> RESOLUTION: point to the ontology documents from the HTML
13:16:13 <shadi> <link href="http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/index.rdf" rel="alternate"
13:16:13 <shadi>   type="application/rdf+xml" />
13:17:07 <shadi> action: cvelasco to send another approach (OWL) for including the ontology documents in HTML
13:17:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Send another approach (OWL) for including the ontology documents in HTML [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2009-06-10].
13:18:33 <cvelasco> See http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/
13:18:45 <carlosI> SAZ: add a link to the RDF in the document
13:19:21 <shadi> [also add as an "alternate version" a link in the HTML to the RDF files]
13:20:28 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:20:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]
13:20:42 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-er-minutes#item01
13:23:12 <carlosI> SAZ: any comment on Pointers and Requirements?
13:23:16 <carlosI> no comments
13:23:38 <carlosI> SAZ: those documents are ready to go, please have a look at them
13:24:53 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
13:24:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Content in RDF" taken up [from shadi]
13:25:07 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009May/0010
13:25:27 <carlosI> SAZ: SK, HTTP in RDF and Content in RDF priorities?
13:25:34 <carlosI> JK: the naming issues
13:26:21 <shadi> ContentInXML
13:26:30 <shadi> ContentAsXML
13:27:04 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-er-minutes#item05
13:27:48 <shadi> ContentXML
13:27:56 <shadi> ExtensibleMarkupLanguageContent
13:28:13 <cvelasco> ... and adding "An"?
13:28:24 <shadi> DeclOfXML
13:28:35 <carlosI> MS: prefer the "as" option
13:28:49 <carlosI> CV: the problem is in the properties then
13:29:23 <carlosI> SAZ: do the name properties really need XML or are they more generic and well defined by the context?
13:34:57 <shadi> RESOLUTION: (1) most promising candidate for class names is ContentAsXML, ContentAsText, ContentAsBase64 (2) "LeadingMisc", "Rest", and "Standalone" do not need "XML" in the name (3) Johannes will start thread for XMLDecl and XMLEncoding
13:35:13 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
13:35:13 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Next and future meetings" taken up [from shadi]
13:36:18 <shadi> next meeting: 10 June
13:36:27 <Zakim> -MikeS
13:36:29 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:36:31 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:36:33 <Zakim> -[CTIC]
13:36:35 <Zakim> -cvelasco
13:36:37 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:36:39 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, MikeS, Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, [CTIC], cvelasco
13:37:57 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:37:57 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:37:57 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:37:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:37:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:37:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:37:59 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-er-actions.rdf :
13:37:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to look at ways for firming up the conformance section [1]
13:37:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-er-irc#T13-10-38
13:37:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cvelasco to send another approach (OWL) for including the ontology documents in HTML [2]
13:37:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-er-irc#T13-17-07
13:38:08 <shadi> zakim, bye
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