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14:59:08 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
14:59:08 <Zakim> ok, shadi, I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM already started
14:59:13 <shadi> zakim, this will be ba
14:59:13 <Zakim> ok, shadi, I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM already started
14:59:17 <shadi> zakim, this is bad
14:59:18 <Zakim> shadi, this was already WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM
14:59:20 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM
14:59:32 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
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14:59:42 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael
14:59:59 <shadi> chair: Shadi
15:00:12 <shadi> agenda+ Debrief from WAI-AGE discussion
15:00:19 <Zakim> + +49.173.673.aaaa
15:00:21 <Zakim> -Michael
15:00:22 <shadi> agenda+ Status check and further work
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Michael
15:00:24 <Zakim> + +1.714.968.aabb
15:01:02 <eric> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:01:02 <Zakim> +eric; got it
15:01:21 <Zakim> + +03130239aacc
15:01:24 <eric> Zakim, aabb is Tom
15:01:26 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
15:01:30 <Zakim> - +03130239aacc
15:01:33 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
15:01:33 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
15:01:34 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:01:45 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael, eric, Tom, Shadi
15:02:49 <Zakim> + +03130239aadd
15:02:58 <shadi> regrets: Maik
15:03:33 <shadi> zakim, aadd is Wilco
15:03:34 <Zakim> +Wilco; got it
15:03:54 <shadi> scribe: Wilco
15:04:00 <shadi> agenda?
15:04:24 <Michael> zakim, mute me
15:04:24 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
15:04:28 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Debrief from WAI-AGE discussion" taken up [from shadi]
15:04:48 <Wilco> shadi: thanks for the great work from WAI-AGE
15:05:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/
15:05:36 <Wilco> shadi: we need to refine a few things
15:05:53 <Wilco> shadi: let me summarize the discussions from wai-age
15:06:11 <Wilco> shadi: request to show clearly the difference between before and after version
15:07:01 <Wilco> shadi: some things: annotations helped
15:07:12 <shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/index/index.html
15:08:30 <Wilco> shadi: people like the addition by eric
15:09:04 <Wilco> shadi: the toggle switch is good (for accessable / inaccessible and annotations)
15:09:59 <Wilco> shadi: we need a metaphor for the on and off function
15:10:26 <Wilco> shadi: we should have annotated pages link to other annotated pages
15:11:23 <Wilco> shadi: annotations and highlights should not be an exausted list
15:12:00 <Wilco> shadi: maybe a different color for the annotation, and different colors between the before and after pages
15:12:27 <Wilco> shadi: the icon of the annotation be a different color for before and after aswell
15:12:49 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
15:12:49 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
15:13:04 <Michael> zakim, mute me
15:13:04 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
15:13:19 <Wilco> wilco: all suggestions are very helpful
15:14:04 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
15:14:04 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
15:15:22 <Wilco> michael: there is no element to indicate switching between different states accept checkbox
15:16:43 <Wilco> michael: someone proposed a button, but in HTML this is not used to turn things on and off
15:17:41 <Wilco> shadi: maybe make it look like a button
15:18:10 <Wilco> wilco: I quite like what eric has done
15:20:35 <Wilco> tom: i think the annotations will be very visible once they are in place
15:21:42 <Wilco> shadi: one question was maybe having a submenu
15:22:24 <Wilco> eric: probably we should try a few things out, maybe something with a tick and and a cross for accessible / inaccessible
15:24:14 <Wilco> shadi: maybe use it as a submenu or a second navigation
15:24:31 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
15:24:31 <Zakim> Michael was not muted, Michael
15:24:38 <Wilco> shadi: maybe try lighter or darker background
15:25:06 <Wilco> wilco: maybe make the background slightly greener or redder
15:25:46 <Wilco> michael: maybe 2 links with labels: show annotation on / off
15:26:55 <Wilco> tom: maybe have a 'show annotations' / 'hide annotations'
15:29:51 <Michael> zakim, mute me
15:29:51 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
15:30:37 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
15:30:37 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
15:30:40 <Michael> q+
15:32:01 <Wilco> michael: the message below the inaccessible / show annotations is redundant
15:32:14 <Wilco> sorry, that was shadi who said that
15:32:28 <shadi> s/michael/shadi
15:32:33 <Wilco> michael: maybe some more space between the tabs, or rounded cornours
15:33:23 <Michael> ack m
15:33:47 <Michael> zakim, mute me
15:33:47 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
15:34:02 <Wilco> shadi: the tab needs to have example 5 template
15:34:25 <Wilco> michael: do we have a template for the inaccessible version?
15:34:28 <Wilco> shadi: yes
15:35:19 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/
15:36:25 <Wilco> shadi: the tempates are part of the demo too so they should be in the navigation
15:36:45 <Wilco> shadi: what about the colors for red / green
15:37:05 <Wilco> wilco: maybe make the red a bit brighter
15:37:18 <Wilco> tom: maybe, watch the contrast though
15:38:00 <Wilco> shadi: remove the bold from that line
15:38:50 <Wilco> tom: we don't need a seperate icon if we come up with a good system for it
15:40:48 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:40:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Status check and further work" taken up [from shadi]
15:41:08 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/
15:41:49 <Wilco> shadi: the overview document should not need any changes
15:41:52 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/barriers
15:42:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/report
15:42:46 <Wilco> shadi: can we make this page link with the annotations, so that they are related?
15:43:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/home/
15:43:19 <Wilco> shadi: i'll do most of this work
15:43:37 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/home/annotations
15:44:22 <Wilco> eric: the close switch has been implemented
15:46:05 <Wilco> wilco: there is a problem with the second annotation, the example can be seen in my e-mail
15:46:55 <Wilco> shadi: looks like the script is done
15:47:02 <Michael> zakim, unmute me
15:47:02 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
15:47:13 <Wilco> shadi: maybe make the annotation icons a pale yellow
15:48:39 <Wilco> michael: maybe try different colors for accessibile / inaccessible for background or outline
15:49:06 <Michael> zakim, mute me
15:49:06 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
15:49:13 <Wilco> wilco: I'll try a few different things with colors
15:49:39 <Wilco> shadi: keep the icons consistant, but maybe change the borders or the color of the text
15:50:30 <Wilco> shadi: change the quick menu maybe to external pages
15:51:35 <Wilco> shadi: the inaccessible version is wider then the accessible
15:51:57 <Wilco> shadi: the date seems to be bigger in the inaccessible
15:52:23 <Wilco> shadi: it looks like verything on the wai-age list had been implemented
15:53:02 <Wilco> shadi: tom, we should start working on the report
15:54:00 <Wilco> tom: the more is done before the report the better
15:54:36 <Wilco> shadi: lets start evaluation the inaccessible page and list every place a technique was not met
15:54:47 <Wilco> tom: what we need is the success criteria
15:55:34 <Wilco> shadi: so we have a list with all the criteria, beneath it a technique and a line number of the error
15:56:05 <Wilco> shadi: then we'll look at the accessible version, and then make a selection for the annotations
15:56:25 <Wilco> shadi: tom and i will coordinate on this
15:57:09 <Zakim> -Michael
15:57:23 <Wilco> tom: the form page is crucial
15:58:07 <Wilco> shadi: next week to discuss the survey page
15:58:54 <Wilco> shadi: we meet next week
15:59:12 <Zakim> -eric
15:59:15 <Zakim> -Tom
15:59:18 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:59:39 <Zakim> -Wilco
15:59:40 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
15:59:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael, +49.173.673.aaaa, +1.714.968.aabb, eric, +03130239aacc, Tom, Shadi, +03130239aadd, Wilco
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16:00:02 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:00:07 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-badtf-minutes.html shadi
16:00:09 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:00:12 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:00:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items