IRC log of badtf on 2009-05-06
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-badtf-irc
- 14:59:00 [Zakim]
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- 14:59:08 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be bad
- 14:59:08 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi, I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM already started
- 14:59:13 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be ba
- 14:59:13 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi, I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM already started
- 14:59:17 [shadi]
- zakim, this is bad
- 14:59:18 [Zakim]
- shadi, this was already WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM
- 14:59:20 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; that matches WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM
- 14:59:32 [shadi]
- meeting: BAD TF
- 14:59:33 [Tom]
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- 14:59:42 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:59:42 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Michael
- 14:59:59 [shadi]
- chair: Shadi
- 15:00:12 [shadi]
- agenda+ Debrief from WAI-AGE discussion
- 15:00:19 [Zakim]
- + +49.173.673.aaaa
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- -Michael
- 15:00:22 [shadi]
- agenda+ Status check and further work
- 15:00:22 [Zakim]
- +Michael
- 15:00:24 [Zakim]
- + +1.714.968.aabb
- 15:01:02 [eric]
- Zakim, aaaa is me
- 15:01:02 [Zakim]
- +eric; got it
- 15:01:21 [Zakim]
- + +03130239aacc
- 15:01:24 [eric]
- Zakim, aabb is Tom
- 15:01:26 [Zakim]
- +Tom; got it
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- - +03130239aacc
- 15:01:33 [shadi]
- zakim, call shadi-617
- 15:01:33 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; the call is being made
- 15:01:34 [Zakim]
- +Shadi
- 15:01:45 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:01:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Michael, eric, Tom, Shadi
- 15:02:49 [Zakim]
- + +03130239aadd
- 15:02:58 [shadi]
- regrets: Maik
- 15:03:33 [shadi]
- zakim, aadd is Wilco
- 15:03:34 [Zakim]
- +Wilco; got it
- 15:03:54 [shadi]
- scribe: Wilco
- 15:04:00 [shadi]
- agenda?
- 15:04:24 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:04:24 [Zakim]
- Michael should now be muted
- 15:04:28 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 15:04:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Debrief from WAI-AGE discussion" taken up [from shadi]
- 15:04:48 [Wilco]
- shadi: thanks for the great work from WAI-AGE
- 15:05:02 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/
- 15:05:36 [Wilco]
- shadi: we need to refine a few things
- 15:05:53 [Wilco]
- shadi: let me summarize the discussions from wai-age
- 15:06:11 [Wilco]
- shadi: request to show clearly the difference between before and after version
- 15:07:01 [Wilco]
- shadi: some things: annotations helped
- 15:07:12 [shadi]
- http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/index/index.html
- 15:08:30 [Wilco]
- shadi: people like the addition by eric
- 15:09:04 [Wilco]
- shadi: the toggle switch is good (for accessable / inaccessible and annotations)
- 15:09:59 [Wilco]
- shadi: we need a metaphor for the on and off function
- 15:10:26 [Wilco]
- shadi: we should have annotated pages link to other annotated pages
- 15:11:23 [Wilco]
- shadi: annotations and highlights should not be an exausted list
- 15:12:00 [Wilco]
- shadi: maybe a different color for the annotation, and different colors between the before and after pages
- 15:12:27 [Wilco]
- shadi: the icon of the annotation be a different color for before and after aswell
- 15:12:49 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:12:49 [Zakim]
- Michael should no longer be muted
- 15:13:04 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:13:04 [Zakim]
- Michael should now be muted
- 15:13:19 [Wilco]
- wilco: all suggestions are very helpful
- 15:14:04 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:14:04 [Zakim]
- Michael should no longer be muted
- 15:15:22 [Wilco]
- michael: there is no element to indicate switching between different states accept checkbox
- 15:16:43 [Wilco]
- michael: someone proposed a button, but in HTML this is not used to turn things on and off
- 15:17:41 [Wilco]
- shadi: maybe make it look like a button
- 15:18:10 [Wilco]
- wilco: I quite like what eric has done
- 15:20:35 [Wilco]
- tom: i think the annotations will be very visible once they are in place
- 15:21:42 [Wilco]
- shadi: one question was maybe having a submenu
- 15:22:24 [Wilco]
- eric: probably we should try a few things out, maybe something with a tick and and a cross for accessible / inaccessible
- 15:24:14 [Wilco]
- shadi: maybe use it as a submenu or a second navigation
- 15:24:31 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:24:31 [Zakim]
- Michael was not muted, Michael
- 15:24:38 [Wilco]
- shadi: maybe try lighter or darker background
- 15:25:06 [Wilco]
- wilco: maybe make the background slightly greener or redder
- 15:25:46 [Wilco]
- michael: maybe 2 links with labels: show annotation on / off
- 15:26:55 [Wilco]
- tom: maybe have a 'show annotations' / 'hide annotations'
- 15:29:51 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:29:51 [Zakim]
- Michael should now be muted
- 15:30:37 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:30:37 [Zakim]
- Michael should no longer be muted
- 15:30:40 [Michael]
- q+
- 15:32:01 [Wilco]
- michael: the message below the inaccessible / show annotations is redundant
- 15:32:14 [Wilco]
- sorry, that was shadi who said that
- 15:32:28 [shadi]
- s/michael/shadi
- 15:32:33 [Wilco]
- michael: maybe some more space between the tabs, or rounded cornours
- 15:33:23 [Michael]
- ack m
- 15:33:47 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:33:47 [Zakim]
- Michael should now be muted
- 15:34:02 [Wilco]
- shadi: the tab needs to have example 5 template
- 15:34:25 [Wilco]
- michael: do we have a template for the inaccessible version?
- 15:34:28 [Wilco]
- shadi: yes
- 15:35:19 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/
- 15:36:25 [Wilco]
- shadi: the tempates are part of the demo too so they should be in the navigation
- 15:36:45 [Wilco]
- shadi: what about the colors for red / green
- 15:37:05 [Wilco]
- wilco: maybe make the red a bit brighter
- 15:37:18 [Wilco]
- tom: maybe, watch the contrast though
- 15:38:00 [Wilco]
- shadi: remove the bold from that line
- 15:38:50 [Wilco]
- tom: we don't need a seperate icon if we come up with a good system for it
- 15:40:48 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 15:40:48 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Status check and further work" taken up [from shadi]
- 15:41:08 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/
- 15:41:49 [Wilco]
- shadi: the overview document should not need any changes
- 15:41:52 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/barriers
- 15:42:44 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/report
- 15:42:46 [Wilco]
- shadi: can we make this page link with the annotations, so that they are related?
- 15:43:18 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/home/
- 15:43:19 [Wilco]
- shadi: i'll do most of this work
- 15:43:37 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/home/annotations
- 15:44:22 [Wilco]
- eric: the close switch has been implemented
- 15:46:05 [Wilco]
- wilco: there is a problem with the second annotation, the example can be seen in my e-mail
- 15:46:55 [Wilco]
- shadi: looks like the script is done
- 15:47:02 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:47:02 [Zakim]
- Michael should no longer be muted
- 15:47:13 [Wilco]
- shadi: maybe make the annotation icons a pale yellow
- 15:48:39 [Wilco]
- michael: maybe try different colors for accessibile / inaccessible for background or outline
- 15:49:06 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:49:06 [Zakim]
- Michael should now be muted
- 15:49:13 [Wilco]
- wilco: I'll try a few different things with colors
- 15:49:39 [Wilco]
- shadi: keep the icons consistant, but maybe change the borders or the color of the text
- 15:50:30 [Wilco]
- shadi: change the quick menu maybe to external pages
- 15:51:35 [Wilco]
- shadi: the inaccessible version is wider then the accessible
- 15:51:57 [Wilco]
- shadi: the date seems to be bigger in the inaccessible
- 15:52:23 [Wilco]
- shadi: it looks like verything on the wai-age list had been implemented
- 15:53:02 [Wilco]
- shadi: tom, we should start working on the report
- 15:54:00 [Wilco]
- tom: the more is done before the report the better
- 15:54:36 [Wilco]
- shadi: lets start evaluation the inaccessible page and list every place a technique was not met
- 15:54:47 [Wilco]
- tom: what we need is the success criteria
- 15:55:34 [Wilco]
- shadi: so we have a list with all the criteria, beneath it a technique and a line number of the error
- 15:56:05 [Wilco]
- shadi: then we'll look at the accessible version, and then make a selection for the annotations
- 15:56:25 [Wilco]
- shadi: tom and i will coordinate on this
- 15:57:09 [Zakim]
- -Michael
- 15:57:23 [Wilco]
- tom: the form page is crucial
- 15:58:07 [Wilco]
- shadi: next week to discuss the survey page
- 15:58:54 [Wilco]
- shadi: we meet next week
- 15:59:12 [Zakim]
- -eric
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- -Tom
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- -Shadi
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- -Wilco
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- WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Michael, +49.173.673.aaaa, +1.714.968.aabb, eric, +03130239aacc, Tom, Shadi, +03130239aadd, Wilco
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- rssagent, make logs world
- 15:59:57 [Michael]
- Michael has left #badtf
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- 16:00:02 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
- 16:00:07 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:00:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-badtf-minutes.html shadi
- 16:00:09 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
- 16:00:12 [shadi]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:00:12 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items