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12:22:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:22:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
12:22:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:22:57 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2009
12:24:37 <MikeS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0034.html
12:25:40 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ EARL 1.0 Guide (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0027
12:25:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
12:26:26 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ How to support "aggregation" in requirements document - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0032
12:26:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
12:27:26 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ EARL Requirements document - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0033
12:27:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
12:27:41 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ Next and future meetings
12:27:41 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
12:28:27 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:28:34 <Zakim> + +1.512.286.aaaa
12:28:50 <MikeS> zakim, +1.512 is MikeS
12:28:50 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
12:29:38 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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12:32:22 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas.a
12:32:44 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:32:44 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:32:46 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:33:03 <Zakim> -Shadi
12:33:07 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:33:07 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:33:09 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:33:27 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:33:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikeS, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas.a, Shadi
12:33:34 <shadi> agenda?
12:33:51 <JohannesK> Zakim, Klaus is really me
12:33:51 <Zakim> sorry, JohannesK, I do not recognize a party named 'Klaus'
12:34:15 <JohannesK> Zakim, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas is really me
12:34:16 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
12:35:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Requirements-20090427
12:35:09 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20090422
12:38:50 <MikeS> Chari: Mike
12:38:55 <MikeS> Chair: MikeS
12:38:55 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
12:39:02 <shadi> scribenick: shadi
12:39:08 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:39:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0027" taken up [from MikeS]
12:39:21 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20090422
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12:40:14 <shadi> CV: cleaned up first section
12:40:44 <shadi> ...would like to look at "use cases" and "testing process" section
12:40:56 <shadi> ...working on section 3 for the next call
12:41:04 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
12:42:05 <shadi> MS: we are defining EARL as a framework in the abstract
12:42:12 <shadi> ...requirements document catching up
12:42:21 <shadi> ...also, we say not restricted to the Web
12:42:36 <shadi> ...but in the requirements we restrict ourselves
12:42:43 <shadi> ...do we have a mismatch?
12:44:33 <shadi> SAZ: we restrict ourselves in the requirements, because we are not chartered to do so
12:44:46 <shadi> ..but we sure hope that EARL is useful outside the Web
12:45:06 <shadi> ...might be simple editorial changes such as adding "may"
12:45:35 <shadi> MS: could reflect that in the requirements, with a "may" statement
12:45:46 <shadi> SAZ: agree
12:45:52 <shadi> [no objections]
12:46:55 <shadi> MS: some of the sections are long, and we may want to break them up with sub-headings
12:47:55 <shadi> MS: regarding the first use case, I don't understand the relationship to the different regulations
12:48:07 <shadi> ...could be confused that EARL maps between them
12:48:15 <shadi> CV: I see your point
12:49:16 <shadi> SAZ: agree, focus needs to be on languages rather than technical requirement
12:58:38 <shadi> action: Shadi and Michael look into current acronym best practices
12:58:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - And Michael look into current acronym best practices [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-05-06].
13:01:47 <shadi> MS: what about the last use case?
13:02:06 <shadi> SAZ: title seems to repeat an earlier use case
13:02:34 <shadi> ...and the content goes back to semantic *Web* rather than showing something not Web related
13:02:56 <shadi> ...if we want to show something outside the Web, how about software quality assurance?
13:04:11 <shadi> CV: could use software quality assurance
13:05:46 <shadi> SAZ: need to make sure that the list does not seem exclusive
13:08:04 <shadi> ...maybe add a qualifier in the introductory sentence, like "including" or "such as"
13:08:33 <shadi> ...the last sentence could say something like "other use cases outside Web quality assurance"
13:08:51 <shadi> ...and have the content provide an example for software quality assurance
13:09:16 <shadi> CV: would like it to start with a verb like the others
13:09:31 <shadi> ...do you mean putting this outside the list?
13:09:47 <shadi> MS: could do it outside the list, as a separate paragraph
13:10:10 <shadi> [agreement]
13:11:26 <shadi> MS: the second use case reflects what we can "aggregation" in the requirements document
13:14:17 <shadi> ...need to come back to that later and compare to what we mean with "aggregation" in the requirements document
13:17:48 <shadi> SAZ: another angle of aggregation is inference, to deduce new results based on the existing data set
13:18:11 <shadi> ...such as "test 1,2,3,4 pass therefore requirement A pass"
13:18:32 <shadi> ...but this needs another layer of a test description logic
13:18:41 <shadi> ...that controls the combinations
13:18:49 <shadi> ...but EARL supports inference
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13:21:26 <shadi> CV: simplified the explanations and figure
13:21:53 <shadi> SAZ: we have to avoid any direct dependency on a non open standard
13:22:07 <shadi> ...we seem ok for now but need to beware of this
13:22:21 <shadi> MS: we are more losely coupled than in previous drafts
13:27:18 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
13:27:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Next and future meetings" taken up [from MikeS]
13:27:30 <shadi> CV: regrets for 6 May
13:29:09 <shadi> SAZ: can work on the requirements next week
13:29:16 <shadi> ...also pointers document
13:29:30 <shadi> Next meeting Wednesday 6 May, 2009
13:29:33 <Zakim> -MikeS
13:29:36 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:29:37 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:29:38 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:29:40 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas.a
13:29:41 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:29:43 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, MikeS, Shadi, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias
13:29:46 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:29:46 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:29:46 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:29:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:29:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:29:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:29:48 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-er-actions.rdf :
13:29:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi and Michael look into current acronym best practices [1]
13:29:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-er-irc#T12-58-38