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14:55:51 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
14:55:51 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:58 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
14:56:23 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Apr/0019.html
14:56:36 <shadi> regrtes: Marco, Wilco, Michael
14:57:06 <shadi> agenda+ In-between pages
14:57:13 <shadi> agenda+ Survey page
14:57:24 <shadi> agenda+ WAI-AGE implementations
14:57:34 <shadi> agenda+ Evaluations and reporting
14:57:45 <shadi> agenda+ Demo navigation
14:58:35 <shadi> agenda+ Beta version
14:58:37 <Tom> Tom has joined #badtf
14:58:43 <shadi> agenda+ Next meetings
14:59:28 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
14:59:36 <Zakim> + +1.714.968.aaaa
14:59:56 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:59:56 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:59:57 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:00:40 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Tom
15:00:40 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
15:00:54 <Zakim> + +49.173.673.aabb
15:01:19 <shadi> zakim, aabb is Eric
15:01:19 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
15:02:12 <maik_w> maik_w has joined #badtf
15:04:10 <Zakim> + +49.201.750.0.aacc
15:04:24 <shadi> zakim, aacc is Maik
15:04:24 <Zakim> +Maik; got it
15:04:43 <shadi> scribe: Maik
15:04:49 <shadi> scribenick: maik_w
15:04:58 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "In-between pages" taken up [from shadi]
15:05:15 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Apr/0011
15:05:43 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/after/home/annotations
15:06:14 <maik_w> eric: inbetween pages are already implemented
15:07:04 <eric> http://bad.ericeggert.net/xml/after/home.xml
15:08:06 <maik_w> eric prepared a special xml-format
15:08:22 <maik_w> group: awsome!
15:10:09 <maik_w> eric: the position of the elements is defined by a small PHP-script
15:11:56 <maik_w> shadi: let's put a 'close' button at the right top corner of the note
15:13:12 <maik_w> shadi: of the annotated version
15:13:15 <shadi> action: Wilco to add a 'close' button on the top right corner of the message box
15:13:20 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:13:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Survey page" taken up [from shadi]
15:13:39 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/after/survey/
15:15:00 <Zakim> -Eric
15:15:55 <Zakim> +Eric
15:16:12 <maik_w> Tom: screenreaders in form mode skip reading headers?
15:18:00 <maik_w> shadi: best practice should be to seperate the survey
15:18:51 <maik_w> eric heard that's best to get rid of the fieldsets
15:20:29 <maik_w> Tom: screenreaders repeat the legend for each option of a fieldset
15:21:49 <shadi> RESOLUTION: (1) fieldsets need to be shortened (2) make highlight color more subtle
15:24:25 <maik_w> shadi: how to provide headings with fields?
15:25:03 <shadi> QUESTIONS: how to best provide headings together with forms
15:25:35 <shadi> RESOLUTION: (3) change combo boxes to other types of form fields such as radio buttons where possible
15:27:03 <maik_w> shadi: we want to show each kind of form-elements here
15:27:48 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/before/survey/annotations
15:27:55 <maik_w> Tom: there is a lot of repetition here
15:29:19 <shadi> action: Eric and Shadi to inquire about current best practices and respond to Marco
15:30:04 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:30:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "WAI-AGE implementations" taken up [from shadi]
15:30:47 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/before/home/
15:35:23 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/before/news/
15:39:55 <shadi> http://www.wienfluss.net/BAD/wai-age_bad.html
15:40:26 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:40:26 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Evaluations and reporting" taken up [from shadi]
15:41:32 <maik_w> Tom: is there a stable enough version of the before pages for evaluation?
15:42:40 <maik_w> shadi: stay tuned and have a look at the after pages
15:43:14 <maik_w> shadi: yes, we will have a report like the last time
15:45:07 <shadi> action: Shadi to ask WAI-AGE TF if the report is required, and if so what format it should have (the current one is very complex)
15:47:58 <maik_w> shadi: our annotations highlight only the hardest issues
15:48:32 <maik_w> Tom: 12 to 15 should be enough
15:49:44 <shadi> action: Shadi to ask WAI-AGE TF if the template is required, and if so how should we clarify it is part of the Demo
15:50:48 <maik_w> Tom: we should show a naked template, without any includes
15:50:55 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:50:55 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Demo navigation" taken up [from shadi]
15:51:05 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Apr/0020.html
15:52:26 <eric> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/index/
15:55:17 <maik_w> eric: I got a new approach to the toggled version
15:57:20 <maik_w> shadi: I want to show a improved version to the WAI-AGE TF
15:58:47 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:58:47 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Beta version" taken up [from shadi]
15:59:03 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/after/home/
16:00:08 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:00:08 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
16:01:33 <Zakim> -Tom
16:01:34 <shadi> 6 May
16:01:35 <Zakim> -Eric
16:01:38 <Zakim> -Maik
16:01:42 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:01:44 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
16:01:46 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.714.968.aaaa, Shadi, Tom, +49.173.673.aabb, Eric, +49.201.750.0.aacc, Maik
16:01:59 <shadi> zakim, bye
16:01:59 <Zakim> Zakim has left #badtf
16:02:05 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:02:10 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-badtf-minutes.html shadi
16:02:11 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:02:14 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:02:14 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-badtf-actions.rdf :
16:02:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilco to add a 'close' button on the top right corner of the message box [1]
16:02:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-badtf-irc#T15-13-15
16:02:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric and Shadi to inquire about current best practices and respond to Marco [2]
16:02:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-badtf-irc#T15-29-19
16:02:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi to ask WAI-AGE TF if the report is required, and if so what format it should have (the current one is very complex) [3]
16:02:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-badtf-irc#T15-45-07
16:02:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi to ask WAI-AGE TF if the template is required, and if so how should we clarify it is part of the Demo [4]
16:02:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-badtf-irc#T15-49-44