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16:56:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SVGIG
16:56:59 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:57:00 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
16:57:00 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2009
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16:58:47 <gwadej> Did the coference code change?
16:58:48 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svgig)16:58Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1758Z
16:59:02 <JeffSchiller> yeah shepazu i think the conf code doesn't work
16:59:10 <JeffSchiller> (due to the change)
16:59:27 <shepazu> gwadej: there was a mixup... this is the temporary code
16:59:35 <Zakim> Team_(svgig)16:58Z has now started
16:59:36 <shepazu> Zakim, code?
16:59:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
16:59:42 <Zakim> + +1.847.797.aaaa
17:00:00 <Zakim> - +1.847.797.aaaa
17:00:00 <Zakim> + +1.847.797.aaaa
17:00:01 <Zakim> +Shepazu
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17:00:03 <Zakim> + +1.713.851.aabb
17:00:21 <shepazu> Zakim, who's here?
17:00:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.797.aaaa, +1.713.851.aabb, Shepazu
17:00:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see dstorey__, dstorey_, Rob_Russell, RRSAgent, JeffSchiller, gwadej, Zakim, stelt, anthony, ed_work, shepazu, trackbot
17:00:48 <shepazu> Zakim, 847 is JeffSchiller 
17:00:48 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '847'
17:00:59 <JeffSchiller> Zakim, aaaa is JeffSchiller
17:00:59 <Zakim> +JeffSchiller; got it
17:01:04 <dstorey__> hmm getting invalid passcode errors on 78444
17:01:04 <gwadej> zakim, aabb is gwadej
17:01:04 <Zakim> +gwadej; got it
17:01:26 <JeffSchiller> dstory_ please use 26631 this week
17:01:29 <JeffSchiller> dstorey, that is
17:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.149.1.aacc
17:02:25 <shepazu> Zakim, code?
17:02:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
17:02:32 <JeffSchiller> Zakim, aacc is Rob_Russell
17:02:32 <Zakim> +Rob_Russell; got it
17:02:49 <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aadd
17:03:12 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aadd is dstorey
17:03:12 <Zakim> +dstorey; got it
17:03:57 <JeffSchiller> zakim, who's here?
17:03:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeffSchiller, gwadej, Shepazu, Rob_Russell, dstorey
17:03:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see dstorey, Rob_Russell, RRSAgent, JeffSchiller, gwadej, Zakim, stelt, anthony, ed_work, shepazu, trackbot
17:04:09 <JeffSchiller> stelt - are you able to join?
17:04:26 <stelt> y
17:04:45 <Zakim> + +03174349aaee
17:04:53 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aaee is stelt
17:04:53 <Zakim> +stelt; got it
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17:05:28 <JeffSchiller> andreas, please use conf code 26631 instead of 78444
17:05:33 <JeffSchiller> an, that is
17:05:41 <an> ok
17:06:51 <Zakim> +Andreas_Neumann
17:08:31 <Rob_Russell> topic SVG Open
17:08:43 <Rob_Russell> decide on some financial plans
17:08:59 <JeffSchiller> scribe: Rob_Russell
17:09:13 <JeffSchiller> ScribeNick: Rob_Russell
17:09:37 <shepazu> Zakim, this is SVG IG
17:09:37 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I do not see a conference named 'SVG IG' in progress or scheduled at this time
17:10:02 <Rob_Russell> need to know what expenses should be covered, speakers, organizers, etc
17:10:45 <an> http://www.svgopen.org/2009/participate.shtml
17:10:47 <Rob_Russell> call for papers page on the webpage, take this text, send it out this week
17:11:18 <Rob_Russell> we ask for papers and workshops & productions which aren't sorted out yet
17:11:58 <Rob_Russell> doug: we should be able to say that we may have workshops, if someone has an idea then submit it and we'll decide after based on what we get
17:12:49 <Rob_Russell> jeff: invite people for the wednesday conference call
17:13:39 <Rob_Russell> jeff: will come up with agenda of things we want to work on during the call
17:13:52 <Rob_Russell> an: so we'll discuss only svg open stuff on wednesday
17:14:55 <Rob_Russell> an: about keynote speakers
17:15:18 <Rob_Russell> an: what about Sam Ruby?
17:15:38 <stelt> maybe a designer?
17:15:40 <Rob_Russell> doug: i could ask sam, he could be interested in presented, maybe in giving a keynote
17:16:14 <Rob_Russell> an: the other keynote could be Brad Neuberg from google
17:16:40 <Rob_Russell> doug: i think he'd be interested, giving google is appropriate given how they're helping us out
17:16:55 <Rob_Russell> an: how about someone from opensource? kde or inkscape?
17:17:16 <Rob_Russell> doug: in terms of impact, someone from inkscape would be better
17:17:43 <Rob_Russell> doug: kde doesn't reach as many people as inkscape in terms of spreding inkscape
17:17:59 <Rob_Russell> an: is it possible to get somebody from webkit? it seems hard to get people
17:18:30 <Rob_Russell> doug: people from apple are hard to get but other webkit developers should be reachable
17:18:44 <Rob_Russell> jeff: what's the appropriate number of keynots
17:19:00 <Rob_Russell> an: opening kn, another 2 or 3 in the first day, and a closing
17:19:05 <Rob_Russell> doug: one every day?
17:19:26 <Rob_Russell> an: that's an option, also depends on how many rooms and if there is only one track per room
17:19:46 <Rob_Russell> an: if we can combine it with a panel or some other track...
17:19:57 <stelt> apart from opening/closing we had 4 last year
17:20:49 <stelt> i guess we can get an Inkscaper likely
17:20:59 <Rob_Russell> jeff: what about somebody else on the svg wg?
17:21:39 <Rob_Russell> doug: there's cameron mccormack but the svg wg will already be doing the panel
17:21:51 <Rob_Russell> doug: i prefer to get people other than the wg
17:22:11 <Rob_Russell> doug: i may be able to get a recorded video from TBL for just after lunch or after a keynote
17:22:28 <stelt> Tim BL always gives big promotion
17:23:47 <Rob_Russell> an: another open issue is if we could get some kind of bankruptcy protection... 
17:24:12 <Rob_Russell> doug: we can talk about that on wednesday
17:25:02 <stelt> llc?
17:25:07 <Rob_Russell> doug: we should do something permanent, why not form an organization to keep track of that
17:25:14 <JeffSchiller> Limited Liability Corporation
17:26:03 <Rob_Russell> rob: we could form an llc, some drupalcamps do that
17:26:39 <Rob_Russell> doug: there could be an issue of exchange rate holding it in an llc in the US
17:26:57 <stelt> i'll see if i can get Barend to join on wednesday. he did most of official paperwork back then
17:27:06 <Rob_Russell> doug: it could be worth doing, setting up an llc is very simple, we can talk about it wednesday
17:28:21 <Rob_Russell> doug: we need someone interesting for the closing keynote, sam could be good for that
17:28:26 <stelt> ask Jon Cruz for someone int. from Inks. commu.?
17:29:26 <stelt> = Chris Lilley
17:31:00 <Rob_Russell> new topic: planetsvg
17:31:33 <stelt> "BSVG/B" still in editor view
17:32:07 <JeffSchiller> rob: started a call with Doug, Jeff & Rob, got Doug set up with SVN local copy
17:32:13 <JeffSchiller> rob: updated to Drupal 6.10 and the modules
17:32:19 <JeffSchiller> rob: jeff fixed one minor issue with the News view
17:32:34 <JeffSchiller> rob: also moved subversion repo around a bit, if you have it check out, please update
17:32:52 <stelt> i can wget svg.org for when it goes down forever. good idea?
17:32:54 <JeffSchiller> rob: jeff has started debugging BSVG/B issue in some news feeds
17:32:59 <JeffSchiller> rob: we talked about how to organize the front page
17:33:21 <JeffSchiller> rob: i want to set up a test subdomain so we can preview changes
17:34:28 <Rob_Russell> jeff: big things we'll be doing in the next call will be debugging the feed, rearranging the front page. we're going to have another working call thursday evening
17:34:31 <stelt> Wget
17:35:20 <Rob_Russell> doug: there are two issues with getting the domain for svg.org, there's one person that owns the domain and he points it to the servers for someone else
17:35:45 <Rob_Russell> dout: he said he could put up a permanent redirect (301) to planetsvg.com
17:36:21 <Rob_Russell> doug: i did download a dump of all the stuff from svg.org, it's in a weird format, i could send it to rob & see if that could be converted to drupal
17:36:33 <stelt> cms=scoop
17:36:35 <Rob_Russell> rob: send it over, i can at least have a look
17:37:37 <Rob_Russell> doug: one part of it uses mediawiki, there should be a conversion script. I'm not sure that's the way we want to go. I don't know if the wiki format is what we need.  Often it wasn't laid out in a way that people found helpful.
17:38:02 <Rob_Russell> doug: and a lot of the old links are probably dead. I know stelt went through and deleted a lot of old links.
17:38:53 <stelt> planetsvg should not be only for supergeeks in other words
17:38:59 <Rob_Russell> doug: I think we really need to look at the structure of planetsvg and see how we're going to make that an easy follow-you-nose way to find your way learning svg.
17:39:13 <Rob_Russell> doug: how to do a circle...
17:39:41 <Rob_Russell> doug: svg in 30 days, we could decide on a structure and each take a page
17:40:06 <Rob_Russell> doug: you could easily devote a page or 3 to the path element
17:40:07 <stelt> looking over the shoulder, using video too
17:41:13 <stelt> the first dozen annoying things people keep running into, sort of
17:41:21 <Rob_Russell> doug: i wonder if there's something out there that's equivalent that we want to emulate, maybe something for flash or something else
17:41:46 <Rob_Russell> doug: w3schools is all right, having pages laid out so google can index them is helpful
17:41:56 <stelt> try-it editor is nice
17:42:20 <Rob_Russell> jeff: yeah, there are 2 things, one is the structure, the other is the content
17:42:24 <stelt> webIRC too
17:42:30 <Rob_Russell> jeff: there are things on svg.org that we want to keep
17:42:39 <Rob_Russell> doug: we could host the old wiki on planetsvg
17:42:52 <Rob_Russell> doug: but have it as a static research
17:43:31 <stelt> doug++
17:43:44 <Rob_Russell> doug: recreate it as a mediawiki install but make it static with a header that says it's for reference only
17:44:04 <JeffSchiller> rob: i'm hesitant to put it up as a mediawiki install (maintenance)
17:44:44 <JeffSchiller> rob: will have to see how much content there is, does it make more sense to port it over to drupal?
17:45:01 <JeffSchiller> jeff: i think it's a great way to bootstrap our content, but worried about multiple logins (so it should be static)
17:45:10 <JeffSchiller> doug: put a disclaimer at the top of each page?
17:45:11 <stelt> have Wiki's HTML, not db
17:46:33 <stelt> spell out 301 specifics for svg.org guy
17:47:24 <JeffSchiller> rob: if 301 maps to URLs on our site, we can map out the top (say) 50% of the articles
17:49:22 <Rob_Russell> so it depends which is easier, the static version of the wiki or integrating into drupal
17:49:23 <Rob_Russell> doug: before this thrusday i'll upload the data dump & send you a url
17:50:50 <Rob_Russell> jeff: we can discuss this on thursday and if anyone else wants to join in they can
17:50:59 <Rob_Russell> an: what about using the html output
17:51:31 <shepazu> scoop runs http://www.kuro5hin.org/
17:52:18 <Rob_Russell> rob: yeah, i might be able to make a script to pull it in from the html if that turns out to be easier
17:52:39 <Rob_Russell> doug: do people think it's useful to bring in the old diaries?
17:52:45 <Rob_Russell> jeff: probably not
17:53:22 <Rob_Russell> doug: there might be people who are frustrated their content disappeared from svg.org, maybe we could give them the option to download
17:53:46 <Rob_Russell> rob: depends on what shape it's in
17:54:33 <stelt> not only do you then save some content, but also some contributors
17:55:23 <stelt> just dave ++
17:59:21 <Zakim> -dstorey
17:59:22 <Zakim> -JeffSchiller
17:59:23 <Zakim> -Andreas_Neumann
17:59:24 <Zakim> -Rob_Russell
17:59:24 <Zakim> -gwadej
17:59:32 <Zakim> -Shepazu
17:59:34 <stelt> 1900 Amsterdam time that is
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18:00:22 <JeffSchiller> shepazu - do we need to do anything special to capture these as minutes
18:03:27 <JeffSchiller> :)
18:04:33 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, stelt, in Team_(svgig)16:58Z
18:04:34 <Zakim> Team_(svgig)16:58Z has ended
18:04:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.847.797.aaaa, Shepazu, +1.713.851.aabb, JeffSchiller, gwadej, +1.149.1.aacc, Rob_Russell, +47.23.69.aadd, dstorey, +03174349aaee, stelt, Andreas_Neumann
18:06:02 <shepazu> JeffSchiller: I'll do the minutes
18:06:11 <shepazu> trackbot, make minutes
18:06:11 <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
18:06:13 <JeffSchiller> thank you sir
18:06:32 <shepazu> Zakim, stop telcon
18:06:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'stop telcon', shepazu
18:06:40 <shepazu> Zakim, end telcon
18:06:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end telcon', shepazu
18:06:44 <shepazu> ok
18:06:49 <shepazu> sigh
18:06:52 <JeffSchiller> :(
18:07:00 <shepazu> I'll do it manurally
18:07:09 <JeffSchiller> haha, never heard that one before
18:07:29 <JeffSchiller> trackbot, stop telcon
18:07:29 <trackbot> Sorry, JeffSchiller, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
18:07:32 <JeffSchiller> bah
18:08:06 <shepazu> it was a happy typo, actually
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18:09:01 <shepazu> trackbot, make minutes
18:09:01 <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
18:09:18 <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:09:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/06-svgig-minutes.html shepazu
18:09:23 <shepazu> ahhhhh!
18:09:59 <JeffSchiller> cool deal
18:10:02 <JeffSchiller> i'll send out the notice
18:15:51 <shepazu> thanks
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