IRC log of badtf on 2009-03-04
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-badtf-irc
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- meeting: BAD TF
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Mar/0002.html
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- chair: Shadi
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- agenda?
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- WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
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- +Tom
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- +Wilco
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- -Tom
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- +Tom
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- -Wilco
- 15:57:39 [eric]
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- 15:57:43 [shadi]
- zakim, call shadi-617
- 15:57:43 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- +Shadi
- 15:57:59 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:57:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Tom, Shadi
- 15:58:39 [shadi]
- zakim, you are confused little bot! :)
- 15:58:39 [Zakim]
- I'm glad that smiley is there, shadi
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- +Eric
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- +Wilco
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- 16:02:03 [mbertoni]
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- +Maik
- 16:04:12 [shadi]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Shadi
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- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Wilco
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- scribe: Wilco
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- agenda?
- 16:05:14 [Michael]
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "In-Between pages" taken up [from shadi]
- 16:05:34 [shadi]
- http://fiers.name/badtf/inbetween_after.html
- 16:05:51 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Mar/0000
- 16:06:26 [Wilco]
- wilco: I'd like some feedback
- 16:06:48 [Zakim]
- +??P20
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- +??P18
- 16:07:05 [Wilco]
- tom: are we going to pick one example to annotate?
- 16:07:08 [mbertoni]
- zakim, ??P20 is mbertoni
- 16:07:08 [Zakim]
- +mbertoni; got it
- 16:07:32 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is Michael
- 16:07:32 [Zakim]
- +Michael; got it
- 16:12:10 [Wilco]
- shadi: how do we present annotations
- 16:12:43 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/features
- 16:13:06 [Wilco]
- shadi: we should not have all the issues on the page listed
- 16:14:07 [Wilco]
- shadi: we should try not to be repetitive
- 16:14:53 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:14:53 [Zakim]
- Michael should now be muted
- 16:15:24 [Wilco]
- wilco: how about listing different elements and name their issues
- 16:16:06 [Wilco]
- shadi: lets take a tick and write down the fix
- 16:16:21 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:16:21 [Zakim]
- Michael should no longer be muted
- 16:16:22 [Wilco]
- shadi: and add a link to the respective technique
- 16:16:25 [mbertoni]
- agree
- 16:17:07 [Wilco]
- shadi: tom should make an exaustive evaluation
- 16:17:20 [Wilco]
- shadi: work with EO to get annotations
- 16:17:26 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/features
- 16:17:41 [Wilco]
- shadi: different types of barriers are listed
- 16:18:11 [Wilco]
- tom: do we want to include what we did for waiage
- 16:18:11 [Michael]
- q+
- 16:18:14 [Wilco]
- shadi: yes
- 16:18:48 [shadi]
- ack m
- 16:19:43 [Wilco]
- michael: propose make a link from annotations to feature issues, from there link to techniques
- 16:20:42 [Wilco]
- michael: we need a rough idea how to present it
- 16:20:57 [Wilco]
- shadi: agree
- 16:22:31 [Wilco]
- michael: in the list of issues mark those that we want to describe in annotations
- 16:22:32 [shadi]
- http://www.tomjewett.com/badtf/WCAG-techniques-table.html
- 16:23:49 [Wilco]
- wilco: i'll make a proposal
- 16:24:09 [Tom]
- q+
- 16:24:57 [shadi]
- action: wilco to improve the design of the annotations (to make them more descriptive rather than based on Success Criteria and Techniques)
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- ack t
- 16:25:29 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
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- Michael should now be muted
- 16:26:57 [Wilco]
- tom: how are we going to do the evaluation?
- 16:27:09 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:27:09 [Zakim]
- Michael should no longer be muted
- 16:27:28 [Michael]
- q+
- 16:27:51 [Wilco]
- shadi: the question is how to present the evaluation, they're not related to inbetween pages
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- ack m
- 16:28:24 [Michael]
- ack m
- 16:29:14 [Wilco]
- michael: we should link from the annotation to the evaluation
- 16:29:25 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/features
- 16:30:03 [mbertoni]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:30:03 [Zakim]
- mbertoni should now be muted
- 16:30:07 [Wilco]
- shadi: people mght get confused
- 16:30:30 [Wilco]
- tom: i'll look into that
- 16:30:33 [shadi]
- http://fiers.name/badtf/inbetween_after.html
- 16:30:58 [mbertoni]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:30:58 [Zakim]
- mbertoni should no longer be muted
- 16:31:57 [Wilco]
- all: looks nice
- 16:32:03 [mbertoni]
- agree
- 16:32:55 [Wilco]
- shadi: title and alt should be sufficient, no hover needed
- 16:33:29 [Wilco]
- tom: we don't need it
- 16:36:23 [Wilco]
- shadi: note that there is quite a lot of space to add information in the lightbox
- 16:37:23 [Michael]
- q+
- 16:37:46 [shadi]
- ack m
- 16:37:53 [Wilco]
- wilco: lets make clicking the background disable the dialog
- 16:37:58 [mbertoni]
- agree
- 16:38:35 [Michael]
- +1
- 16:39:11 [Michael]
- q+
- 16:39:22 [eric]
- q+
- 16:39:47 [shadi]
- ack m
- 16:40:01 [shadi]
- ack e
- 16:40:13 [eric]
- http://stockholm.se/
- 16:41:20 [Wilco]
- michael: add visual emph on elements that are tabbed at
- 16:41:38 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Survey page" taken up [from shadi]
- 16:41:53 [shadi]
- http://www.semplicemente.org/_test/EOWG/BAD/form.html
- 16:42:01 [shadi]
- http://www.semplicemente.org/_test/EOWG/BAD/form_2.html
- 16:42:16 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Mar/0001
- 16:44:06 [mbertoni]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.10
- 16:44:08 [Wilco]
- marco: agree with eric's comments on the page
- 16:45:24 [Wilco]
- marco: in the 1st version is semanticly wrong, because the questions aren't legends
- 16:47:00 [Wilco]
- wilco: the second version is more commonly used
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- marco: the repeating legend is a problem in the second version
- 16:47:37 [Michael]
- q+
- 16:47:54 [shadi]
- ack m
- 16:49:48 [Wilco]
- marco: jaws might be an older version
- 16:51:31 [eric]
- q+
- 16:51:49 [Wilco]
- marco: we should follow the html specifications of fieldset
- 16:52:22 [Michael]
- q+
- 16:53:25 [Wilco]
- michael: keep it in the old structure
- 16:54:44 [Wilco]
- michael: i think it's important for fieldsets to be in the places that add understanding
- 16:55:42 [Wilco]
- shadi: this page is really difficult
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- ack e
- 16:56:00 [Wilco]
- shadi: the questions provide different types of challenges
- 16:56:13 [Wilco]
- eric: we could have fieldsets in fieldsets
- 16:57:08 [Wilco]
- marco: i'll redesign according to eric's suggestion
- 16:58:55 [Wilco]
- shadi: fieldsets in fieldsets doesn't show headings for screenreaders
- 16:59:25 [shadi]
- ack m
- 16:59:42 [Wilco]
- michael: we have to think about the structure of the form
- 17:01:07 [Wilco]
- marco: should we leave the first version, and go on from the 2nd?
- 17:01:17 [Wilco]
- shadi: continue experementing
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- -Michael
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- agenda?
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- zakim, agendum 5
- 17:03:17 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'agendum 5', shadi
- 17:03:45 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
- 17:03:50 [Wilco]
- tom: no need for comments on my table
- 17:03:58 [Wilco]
- shadi: we still need it
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- -Tom
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- -mbertoni
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- -Shadi
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- -Wilco
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- -Eric
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- Wilco has left #badtf
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- -Maik
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- WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Tom, Wilco, Shadi, Eric, Maik, mbertoni, Michael
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 17:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-badtf-minutes.html shadi
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rssagent, bye
- 17:06:35 [shadi]
- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-badtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: wilco to improve the design of the annotations (to make them more descriptive rather than based on Success Criteria and Techniques) [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-badtf-irc#T16-24-57