20:49:06 RRSAgent has joined #au 20:49:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc 20:49:11 Zakim, this will be AUWG 20:49:11 ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 49 minutes ago 20:49:17 Meeting: WAI AU 20:49:59 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0026.html 20:50:09 Chair: Jutta Treviranus 20:58:33 AndrewR has joined #au 20:59:02 jeanne has joined #au 20:59:24 zakim, code? 20:59:24 the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne 20:59:35 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 20:59:42 +jeanne 21:01:00 +[IPcaller] 21:01:05 +??P10 21:01:20 zakim, [IPcaller] is really JR 21:01:20 +JR; got it 21:01:41 zakim, P10 is andrewr 21:01:41 sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'P10' 21:02:01 zakim, ??P10 is really andrewr 21:02:01 +andrewr; got it 21:02:05 zakim, who's making noise? 21:02:15 JR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JR (43%), andrewr (15%) 21:02:56 +??P15 21:03:23 zakim, ??P15 is really JuttaT 21:03:23 +JuttaT; got it 21:04:17 +Tim_Boland 21:05:37 +Sueann 21:06:57 Topic: Process survey results: 21:07:27 Scribe: AndrewR 21:07:54 Topic: 1. Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (from Tim Boland) 21:08:06 JR - proposed change was to make it slightly shorter 21:08:15 JS would also like to shorten it 21:08:42 JR - didn't think it was necessary to tell people to go elsewhere to find certain information 21:09:44 JR - proposed shortening: This appendix contains definitions for all of the important and/or unfamiliar terms used in the normative parts of this specification, including terms used in the (link to conformance) section. All of these terms are linked at least from their first usage in the specification. Where appropriate definitions for these terms could be found in other W3C Recommendations,... 21:09:46 ...the source is designated by "[ ]". In some cases, editorial adaptation was required to make the definitions suitable for the ATAG 2.0. 21:09:47 +Greg_Pisocky 21:09:56 Sueann has joined #au 21:10:13 General concensus of the group is the shortening is acceptable 21:11:18 Topic: Glossary Proposal - changing the source quotation 21:11:34 Action: JS insert JR's text for Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (#1 in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090114/results) 21:11:34 Created ACTION-81 - Insert JR's text for Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (#1 in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090114/results) [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:11:42 Topic: Abbreviation 21:11:55 JT: unanimous acceptance of this 21:12:01 Action: JS insert JR's text for abbreviation (#2) 21:12:01 Created ACTION-82 - Insert JR's text for abbreviation (#2) [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:12:21 Topic: Glossary Proposal - authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) 21:13:38 JT: the reason we have the distinction is because when something is web based we can use WCAG 21:14:17 GP: is there a difference is how we treat web based vs non web based? 21:14:30 JT: yes. Web based would have WCAG applied to it 21:15:03 JR: primary objection is the non-web-based is quite an awkward term 21:15:22 GP: people will probably call it non-browser based 21:15:38 authoring tool user interface (Web-based) 21:15:40 Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are implemented using Web content technologies and are accessed by authors via a user agent.. 21:16:47 Action JS: Insert "authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are not implemented as Web content and instead run directly on a platform that is not a user agent, such as Windows, MacOS, Java Virtual Machine, etc. 21:16:47 Created ACTION-83 - Insert \"authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are not implemented as Web content and instead run directly on a platform that is not a user agent, such as Windows, MacOS, Java Virtual Machine, etc. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:16:58 Topic: Glossary Proposal - authoring tool 21:17:21 Greg has joined #au 21:17:24 TB: is the first use of the term authoring tool linked to the glossary? 21:18:15 TB: the definition of authoring tool has implications for the applicability / scope of the document so it's an important subject 21:19:17 TB: all the significant definition should be consolidated in the glossary 21:19:30 JR: trying to avoid duplicating the language 21:19:37 JR: trying to define it in one place 21:19:50 JR: seems to be some confusion as to where that place should be 21:21:39 JT: Idea change "Definition of authoring tool" to "Scope and Applicability" 21:21:42 JR: +1 21:22:06 TB: Reading from QA best practices.... 21:22:26 JT: Authoring tool defintion stays in glossary 21:23:39 JR: Where should notes go 21:24:21 Action JR: Put defintion of Authoring Tool back in Glossary, make a Scope and Applicability section out of list of tools and the 2 notes 21:24:21 Created ACTION-84 - Put defintion of Authoring Tool back in Glossary, make a Scope and Applicability section out of list of tools and the 2 notes [on Jan Richards - due 2009-02-02]. 21:24:43 Topic: author permission 21:25:55 JT: the only difference is "has the right" compared to "has a right" 21:27:27 Topic: Glossary Proposal - authors 21:27:29 Action JS: Use new wording of "authoring permission" 21:27:29 Created ACTION-85 - Use new wording of \"authoring permission\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:27:42 Topic: authors 21:29:40 JT: proposal unanimously accepted. Slight editorial change required. 21:30:47 JR: we're making a distinction by content that's only going to be seen by the author vs content that will be seen by others 21:31:36 TB: has reservations about our definition of author. It may cause us problems down the line. 21:33:00 JR: would you like us to drop it entirely? 21:33:06 TB: what would be lost if we did? 21:33:15 ATAG 2.0 defines an "authoring tool" as any software, or collection of software components, that authors can use to create or modify Web content for use by other people. 21:33:23 ATAG 2.0 defines an "authoring tool" as any software, or collection of software components, that authors can use to create or modify Web content. 21:35:35 Action JR: Put "by other people" on agenda for next meeting 21:35:35 Created ACTION-86 - Put \"by other people\" on agenda for next meeting [on Jan Richards - due 2009-02-02]. 21:35:56 -Tim_Boland 21:36:01 Topic: checking (accessibility) 21:36:39 JR: [] means where we have "adapted" from somewhere else 21:37:09 Topic: Glossary Proposal - content being edited 21:37:11 Action JS: Insert: [harmonized with EARL 1.0] 21:37:11 Created ACTION-87 - Insert: [harmonized with EARL 1.0] [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:37:35 Topic: content being edited 21:42:30 JT: Should we drop term "Content being edited" 21:42:34 JR: +1 21:42:44 AR: +1 21:42:50 Action JS: Remove definition of term "Content being edited" 21:42:50 Created ACTION-88 - Remove definition of term \"Content being edited\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:43:04 Topic: Glossary Proposal - content generation 21:44:29 Action JS: Change "broad categories" to "types" 21:44:29 Created ACTION-89 - Change \"broad categories\" to \"types\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:44:49 Topic: Glossary Proposal - content 21:45:11 JT: is the term we're defining "content (web)" 21:45:29 JR: WCAG say "content (web content)" 21:50:28 JR: would we consider WCAG 1.0 a good enough standard to be ATAG compliant against? 21:51:59 Action JS: Use new defn of "content (Web)", not adding 2.0 to end of WCAG. 21:51:59 Created ACTION-90 - Use new defn of \"content (Web)\", not adding 2.0 to end of WCAG. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:52:24 i had an official response from Shadi r.e. WCAG 1 / 2 which i posted on our blog - http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/news/wcag-20-moves-to-proposed-recommendation/ 21:52:41 Topic: content rendering 21:54:45 Action JS: Make change to "content rendering" 21:54:45 Created ACTION-91 - Make change to \"content rendering\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:55:43 Topic: conversion 21:55:50 Action JS: Make change to "conversion" 21:55:50 Created ACTION-92 - Make change to \"conversion\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 21:56:37 Topic: authoring practice 21:58:27 Action JS: Make change to "authoring practice" incl bolding 21:58:28 Created ACTION-93 - Make change to \"authoring practice\" incl bolding [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02]. 22:00:36 -JuttaT 22:00:38 -jeanne 22:00:40 -Sueann 22:00:41 -JR 22:00:43 -andrewr 22:00:46 -Greg_Pisocky 22:00:48 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 22:00:49 Attendees were jeanne, JR, andrewr, JuttaT, Tim_Boland, Sueann, Greg_Pisocky 22:00:53 RRSAgent, make minutes 22:00:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-minutes.html JR 22:01:03 RRSAgent, set logs public 22:01:12 Zakim, bye 22:01:12 Zakim has left #au 22:01:18 RRSAgent, bye 22:01:18 I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-actions.rdf : 22:01:18 ACTION: JS insert JR's text for Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (#1 in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090114/results) [1] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-11-34 22:01:18 ACTION: JS insert JR's text for abbreviation (#2) [2] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-12-01 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Insert "authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are not implemented as Web content and instead run directly on a platform that is not a user agent, such as Windows, MacOS, Java Virtual Machine, etc. [3] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-16-47 22:01:18 ACTION: JR to Put defintion of Authoring Tool back in Glossary, make a Scope and Applicability section out of list of tools and the 2 notes [4] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-24-21 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Use new wording of "authoring permission" [5] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-27-29 22:01:18 ACTION: JR to Put "by other people" on agenda for next meeting [6] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-35-35 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Insert: [harmonized with EARL 1.0] [7] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-37-11 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Remove definition of term "Content being edited" [8] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-42-50 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Change "broad categories" to "types" [9] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-44-29 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Use new defn of "content (Web)", not adding 2.0 to end of WCAG. [10] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-51-59 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Make change to "content rendering" [11] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-54-45 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Make change to "conversion" [12] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-55-50 22:01:18 ACTION: JS to Make change to "authoring practice" incl bolding [13] 22:01:18 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-58-27