IRC log of soap-jms on 2008-10-14

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15:55:03 [RolandMerrick]

RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Oct/0021.html

15:55:09 [RolandMerrick]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Oct/0021.html

15:55:29 [RolandMerrick]

Zakim, this will be WS_soap-jm

15:55:29 [Zakim]

ok, RolandMerrick, I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM already started

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15:55:43 [Yves]

trackbot, start telcon

15:55:45 [RolandMerrick]

Zakim, this is be WS_soap-jm

15:55:45 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs public

15:55:45 [Zakim]

sorry, RolandMerrick, I do not see a conference named 'be WS_soap-jm' in progress or scheduled at this time

15:55:47 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be SJMS

15:55:48 [trackbot]

Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 14 October 2008

15:55:48 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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+Roland

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland

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rrsagent, make log public

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Chair: Roland

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Zakim, list

16:00:27 [Zakim]

I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM, Team_(w3f)15:59Z, SW_SWD()11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM active

16:00:30 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time is SW_HCLS(Chairs)12:00PM

16:00:56 [Phil]

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+[IBM]

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16:01:15 [Phil]

Zakim, IBM is Phil

16:01:15 [Zakim]

+Phil; got it

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+Derek

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+Peter_Easton

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-Peter_Easton

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+Peter_Easton

16:02:39 [Roland]

Zakim, Peter_Easton is peaston

16:02:39 [Zakim]

+peaston; got it

16:03:08 [Zakim]

+Eric_Johnson

16:03:24 [Roland]

Zakim, Eric_Johnson is eric

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+eric; got it

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+ +0196270aaaa

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+Yves

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+ +1.408.956.aabb

16:05:23 [mphillip]

zakim aaaa is mphilip

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16:05:28 [Roland]

Zakim, aaaa is mphillip

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+mphillip; got it

16:05:46 [Roland]

Zakim, aabb is bhakti

16:05:46 [Zakim]

+bhakti; got it

16:06:19 [Roland]

Topic Actions

16:06:26 [Roland]

Topic: Actions

16:06:30 [mphillip]

scribe: mphillip[

16:06:38 [Roland]

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open

16:08:17 [mphillip]

close Action-38

16:08:18 [trackbot]

ACTION-38 - put the just agreed-upon changes related to TextMessage into the spec (Phil's write up & Eric's writeup) closed

16:08:49 [mphillip]

close action-39

16:08:49 [trackbot]

ACTION-39 Email/phone Oracle/BEA to see if they want to continue to be listed on the URI specification by 2008-10-08 closed

16:09:09 [mphillip]

Oracle removed from the editor list on the URI spec

16:09:23 [mphillip]

close action-40

16:09:23 [trackbot]

ACTION-40 Write up specific proposal for conformance to address the normative concerns. closed

16:09:45 [mphillip]

Roland's edits per Action 38 and 40 to be reviewed

16:10:22 [mphillip]

Topic: Review draft changes per Text Message etc.

16:10:25 [Roland]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8

16:11:45 [Roland]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#binding-message-body

16:20:55 [mphillip]

All comfortable with the text messages changes

16:22:29 [eric]

Add sentence: a conforming implementation MUST support both TextMessage and BytesMessage. ?

16:22:55 [mphillip]

...providing we add a clarification into section 2.4 like eric's comment above

16:23:30 [Roland]

change "Use fault subcode unsupportedJMSMessageFormat when the arriving message format is not supported by the application"

16:24:01 [Roland]

to"Use fault subcode unsupportedJMSMessageFormat when the arriving message format is not BytesMessage or TextMessage"

16:25:58 [mphillip]

ACTION: Roland to Clarify the fault to be returned when the arriving message is neither Bytes or Text message

16:25:59 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-41 - Clarify the fault to be returned when the arriving message is neither Bytes or Text message [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-10-21].

16:26:37 [Roland]

Conformance changes:

16:26:38 [Roland]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#introduction-conformance

16:26:40 [mphillip]

Topic: Changes on conformance - section 1.5

16:26:49 [mphillip]

s/1.5/1.6

16:29:25 [mphillip]

Clarified that WSDL support is optional, but that if implemented, the implementation MUST implement all the requirements

16:32:30 [mphillip]

Phil: Ask for clarification on the support for the URI

16:33:47 [mphillip]

Eric: Simplify by removing the last sentence, and say that the URI MUST be supported (in the first - base protocol - statement)

16:34:02 [mphillip]

Phil: Does this just mean JNDI

16:34:23 [mphillip]

Eric: No - the URI scheme does not mandate any specific variant

16:36:28 [mphillip]

ACTION: Roland Clarify the conformance section (1.6) to make it clear that the URI scheme MUST be fully supported in the base protocol (just refer to it once)

16:36:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-42 - Clarify the conformance section (1.6) to make it clear that the URI scheme MUST be fully supported in the base protocol (just refer to it once) [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-10-21].

16:37:48 [mphillip]

TOPIC: URI Spec new draft

16:38:07 [Zakim]

-alewis

16:38:13 [Roland]

https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-merrick-jms-uri/

16:38:16 [mphillip]

Roland: Spec. looks good

16:38:44 [mphillip]

Eric: To proceed we need to mail the IETF secretariat list

16:39:44 [mphillip]

ACTION: Eric to Mail the JMS URI draft to the IETF Secretariat mailing list to move the process to the next stage

16:39:44 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-43 - Mail the JMS URI draft to the IETF Secretariat mailing list to move the process to the next stage [on Eric Johnson - due 2008-10-21].

16:39:47 [Roland]

Topic: Spec anomalies on targetService

16:40:08 [mphillip]

Eric's action to be dated for the end of the month

16:40:38 [Roland]

Topic: No XML Schema describes the elements defined in the

16:40:38 [Roland]

specification

16:42:58 [mphillip]

Action: Mark to Create a Schema for the WSDL extensions

16:42:58 [trackbot]

Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Mark

16:42:58 [trackbot]

Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mhapner, mphillip)

16:43:18 [mphillip]

ACTION: mphillip to Create a Schema for the WSDL extensions

16:43:18 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-44 - Create a Schema for the WSDL extensions [on Mark Phillips - due 2008-10-21].

16:43:41 [mphillip]

Topic: Specifying additional JNDI parameters,

16:43:57 [Derek]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Sep/0031.html

16:44:56 [mphillip]

Derek: This dates back to action item 22. Some JNDI providers may need additional JNDI parameters

16:45:40 [mphillip]

Derek: The link relates to an email from Eric which discusses Derek's proposal

16:47:18 [mphillip]

Derek: Proposed URI changes include a suggested prefix to 'namespace' the JNDI properties

16:49:06 [mphillip]

Roland: The suggested "jndi-" prefix would be a good thing if it is allowed in the URI - should be in the URI *and* the WSDL unless someone can think of a good reason why not.

16:50:41 [mphillip]

No other comments on URI spec.

16:52:11 [mphillip]

Derek: In the binding spec. Eric suggested using a new XML schema type for this WSDL extension property

16:53:49 [mphillip]

Eric and Phil: Prefer the name "jndiContextParameter" to "jndiProperty"

16:53:59 [Phil]

has to run... talk to you all next week

16:54:02 [Zakim]

-Phil

16:54:21 [Derek]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Sep/0028.html

16:54:40 [mphillip]

Eric: This isn't just a string, this is a name and a value - i.e. a complex type

16:55:49 [Zakim]

-eric

16:56:09 [Zakim]

+eric

16:56:18 [mphillip]

Derek: e.g. <soapjms:jndiProperty name="com.sun.jndi.someParameter" value="someValue" type="string"/>

16:57:11 [mphillip]

Peter: We need to state that this will all be strings

16:57:43 [mphillip]

Eric: They will be defined as xsd:string in the schema definition

16:58:05 [mphillip]

Eric: These JNDI values are always strings

16:58:51 [Zakim]

-eric

16:59:15 [Zakim]

+eric

16:59:49 [mphillip]

Mark: Should this be a complex element with children or an elementr with attributes as shown

17:00:11 [mphillip]

Roland: Simpler to use attributes e.g. <soapjms:jndiProperty name="com.sun.jndi.someParameter" value="someValue"/>

17:00:56 [mphillip]

Action: Derek to Tidy up the proposal factoring in Eric's changes and splitting the proposal into 2 parts - URI spec and Binding

17:00:56 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-45 - Tidy up the proposal factoring in Eric's changes and splitting the proposal into 2 parts - URI spec and Binding [on Derek Rokicki - due 2008-10-21].

17:01:07 [Roland]

<soapjms:jndiProperty name="com.sun.jndi.someParameter">someValue</soapjms:jndiProperty>

17:01:33 [mphillip]

mark: Should be jndiContextParameter

17:02:42 [mphillip]

Roland: May have difficulty chairing the call next week

17:03:26 [mphillip]

Roland: Two main items outstanding - JNDI properties and arbitrary headers.... We should discuss by email this week

17:04:02 [mphillip]

Peter: Happy to drop issue on abitrary JMS headers

17:04:43 [peaston]

I'm happy dropping arbitrary JMS headers

17:05:09 [mphillip]

Roland: Hope to get spec into last call by the end of the month

17:05:44 [Zakim]

-eric

17:05:44 [mphillip]

rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-soap-jms-minutes.html mphillip

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-bhakti

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-Derek

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-mphillip

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-Yves

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-Roland

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-peaston

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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were alewis, Roland, Phil, Derek, peaston, eric, +0196270aaaa, Yves, +1.408.956.aabb, mphillip, bhakti

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland

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