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15:55:03 <RolandMerrick> RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Oct/0021.html
15:55:09 <RolandMerrick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Oct/0021.html
15:55:29 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, this will be WS_soap-jm
15:55:29 <Zakim> ok, RolandMerrick, I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM already started
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15:55:43 <Yves> trackbot, start telcon
15:55:45 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, this is be WS_soap-jm
15:55:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:55:45 <Zakim> sorry, RolandMerrick, I do not see a conference named 'be WS_soap-jm' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:55:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
15:55:48 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:55:48 <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2008
15:55:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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15:58:11 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
15:58:20 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
15:59:15 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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16:00:27 <Roland> Zakim, list
16:00:27 <Zakim> I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM, Team_(w3f)15:59Z, SW_SWD()11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM active
16:00:30 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is SW_HCLS(Chairs)12:00PM
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16:01:15 <Phil> Zakim, IBM is Phil
16:01:15 <Zakim> +Phil; got it
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16:02:39 <Roland> Zakim, Peter_Easton is peaston
16:02:39 <Zakim> +peaston; got it
16:03:08 <Zakim> +Eric_Johnson
16:03:24 <Roland> Zakim, Eric_Johnson is eric
16:03:24 <Zakim> +eric; got it
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16:05:28 <Roland> Zakim, aaaa is mphillip
16:05:28 <Zakim> +mphillip; got it
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16:05:46 <Zakim> +bhakti; got it
16:06:19 <Roland> Topic Actions
16:06:26 <Roland> Topic: Actions
16:06:30 <mphillip> scribe: mphillip[
16:06:38 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open 
16:08:17 <mphillip> close Action-38 
16:08:18 <trackbot> ACTION-38 - put the just agreed-upon changes related to TextMessage into the spec (Phil's write up & Eric's writeup) closed
16:08:49 <mphillip> close action-39
16:08:49 <trackbot> ACTION-39 Email/phone Oracle/BEA to see if they want to continue to be listed on the URI specification by 2008-10-08 closed
16:09:09 <mphillip> Oracle removed from the editor list on the URI spec 
16:09:23 <mphillip> close action-40 
16:09:23 <trackbot> ACTION-40 Write up specific proposal for conformance to address the normative concerns. closed
16:09:45 <mphillip> Roland's edits per Action 38 and 40 to be reviewed
16:10:22 <mphillip> Topic: Review draft changes per Text Message etc.
16:10:25 <Roland> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
16:11:45 <Roland> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#binding-message-body
16:20:55 <mphillip> All comfortable with the text messages changes 
16:22:29 <eric> Add sentence: a conforming implementation MUST support both TextMessage and BytesMessage. ?
16:22:55 <mphillip> ...providing we add a clarification into section 2.4 like eric's comment above 
16:23:30 <Roland> change "Use fault subcode unsupportedJMSMessageFormat when the arriving message format is not supported by the application"
16:24:01 <Roland> to"Use fault subcode unsupportedJMSMessageFormat when the arriving message format is not BytesMessage or TextMessage"
16:25:58 <mphillip> ACTION: Roland to Clarify the  fault  to be returned when the arriving message is neither Bytes or Text message 
16:25:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Clarify the  fault  to be returned when the arriving message is neither Bytes or Text message  [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-10-21].
16:26:37 <Roland> Conformance changes: 
16:26:38 <Roland> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#introduction-conformance
16:26:40 <mphillip> Topic: Changes on conformance - section 1.5
16:26:49 <mphillip> s/1.5/1.6
16:29:25 <mphillip> Clarified that WSDL support is optional, but that if implemented, the implementation MUST implement all the requirements
16:32:30 <mphillip> Phil: Ask for clarification on the support for the URI 
16:33:47 <mphillip> Eric: Simplify by removing the last sentence, and say that the URI MUST be supported (in the first - base protocol  - statement)
16:34:02 <mphillip> Phil: Does this just mean JNDI
16:34:23 <mphillip> Eric: No - the URI scheme does not mandate any specific variant  
16:36:28 <mphillip> ACTION: Roland Clarify the conformance section (1.6) to make it clear that the URI scheme MUST be fully supported in the base protocol (just refer to it once) 
16:36:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Clarify the conformance section (1.6) to make it clear that the URI scheme MUST be fully supported in the base protocol (just refer to it once)  [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-10-21].
16:37:48 <mphillip> TOPIC: URI Spec new draft 
16:38:07 <Zakim> -alewis
16:38:13 <Roland> https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-merrick-jms-uri/
16:38:16 <mphillip> Roland: Spec. looks good 
16:38:44 <mphillip> Eric: To proceed we need to mail the IETF secretariat list
16:39:44 <mphillip> ACTION: Eric to Mail the JMS URI draft to the IETF Secretariat mailing list to move the process to the next stage
16:39:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Mail the JMS URI draft to the IETF Secretariat mailing list to move the process to the next stage [on Eric Johnson - due 2008-10-21].
16:39:47 <Roland> Topic: Spec anomalies on targetService
16:40:08 <mphillip> Eric's action to be dated for the end of the month
16:40:38 <Roland> Topic: No XML Schema describes the elements defined in the 
16:40:38 <Roland> specification
16:42:58 <mphillip> Action: Mark to Create a Schema for the WSDL extensions 
16:42:58 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Mark
16:42:58 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mhapner, mphillip)
16:43:18 <mphillip> ACTION: mphillip to Create a Schema for the WSDL extensions 
16:43:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Create a Schema for the WSDL extensions  [on Mark Phillips - due 2008-10-21].
16:43:41 <mphillip> Topic: Specifying additional JNDI parameters,
16:43:57 <Derek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Sep/0031.html
16:44:56 <mphillip> Derek: This dates back to action item 22.  Some JNDI providers may need additional JNDI parameters
16:45:40 <mphillip> Derek: The link relates to an email from Eric which discusses Derek's proposal
16:47:18 <mphillip> Derek: Proposed URI changes include a suggested prefix to 'namespace' the JNDI properties
16:49:06 <mphillip> Roland: The suggested "jndi-" prefix would be a good thing if it is allowed in the URI - should be in the URI *and* the WSDL unless someone can think of a good reason why not.
16:50:41 <mphillip> No other comments on URI spec.  
16:52:11 <mphillip> Derek: In the binding spec. Eric suggested using a new XML schema type for this WSDL extension  property
16:53:49 <mphillip> Eric and Phil: Prefer the name "jndiContextParameter" to "jndiProperty"
16:53:59 <Phil> has to run... talk to you all next week
16:54:02 <Zakim> -Phil
16:54:21 <Derek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Sep/0028.html
16:54:40 <mphillip> Eric: This isn't just a string, this is a name and a value - i.e. a complex type
16:55:49 <Zakim> -eric
16:56:09 <Zakim> +eric
16:56:18 <mphillip> Derek:  e.g.  <soapjms:jndiProperty name="com.sun.jndi.someParameter" value="someValue" type="string"/> 
16:57:11 <mphillip> Peter: We need to state that this will all be strings 
16:57:43 <mphillip> Eric: They will be defined as xsd:string in the schema definition 
16:58:05 <mphillip> Eric: These JNDI values are always strings 
16:58:51 <Zakim> -eric
16:59:15 <Zakim> +eric
16:59:49 <mphillip> Mark: Should this be a complex element with children or an elementr with attributes as shown 
17:00:11 <mphillip> Roland: Simpler to use attributes e.g.  <soapjms:jndiProperty name="com.sun.jndi.someParameter" value="someValue"/>
17:00:56 <mphillip> Action: Derek to Tidy up the proposal factoring in Eric's changes and splitting the proposal into 2 parts - URI spec and Binding
17:00:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Tidy up the proposal factoring in Eric's changes and splitting the proposal into 2 parts - URI spec and Binding [on Derek Rokicki - due 2008-10-21].
17:01:07 <Roland> <soapjms:jndiProperty name="com.sun.jndi.someParameter">someValue</soapjms:jndiProperty>
17:01:33 <mphillip> mark: Should be jndiContextParameter
17:02:42 <mphillip> Roland: May have difficulty chairing the call next week 
17:03:26 <mphillip> Roland: Two main items outstanding - JNDI properties and arbitrary headers....  We should discuss by email this week 
17:04:02 <mphillip> Peter: Happy to drop issue on abitrary JMS headers 
17:04:43 <peaston> I'm happy dropping arbitrary JMS headers
17:05:09 <mphillip> Roland: Hope to get spec into last call by the end of the month
17:05:44 <Zakim> -eric
17:05:44 <mphillip> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:05:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-soap-jms-minutes.html mphillip
17:05:45 <Zakim> -bhakti
17:05:46 <Zakim> -Derek
17:05:47 <Zakim> -mphillip
17:05:47 <Zakim> -Yves
17:05:49 <Zakim> -Roland
17:05:50 <Zakim> -peaston
17:05:52 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
17:05:54 <Zakim> Attendees were alewis, Roland, Phil, Derek, peaston, eric, +0196270aaaa, Yves, +1.408.956.aabb, mphillip, bhakti
17:06:05 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
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