IRC log of mw4d on 2008-08-04
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- 11:51:25 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-irc
- 11:51:31 [steph]
- zakim, this will be m4wd
- 11:51:31 [Zakim]
- ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
- 11:51:51 [steph]
- Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly teleconference
- 11:52:26 [steph]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0043.html
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- Present: Stephane Boyera (W3C)
- 11:54:08 [steph]
- zakim, code ?
- 11:54:08 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
- 11:54:34 [Zakim]
- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
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- + +33.9.50.08.aaaa
- 11:55:03 [steph]
- zakim, aaaa is me
- 11:55:03 [Zakim]
- +steph; got it
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- + +2
- 11:59:32 [steph]
- zakim, +2 is Ken
- 11:59:32 [Zakim]
- +Ken; got it
- 11:59:55 [kiwanja]
- kiwanja has joined #mw4d
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- + +41.22.770.aacc
- 11:59:59 [steph]
- hi Ken
- 12:00:00 [kiwanja]
- boo!
- 12:00:12 [steph]
- zakim, aacc is Jacob
- 12:00:12 [Zakim]
- +Jacob; got it
- 12:00:53 [steph]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 12:00:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see steph, Ken, Jacob
- 12:00:54 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see kiwanja, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
- 12:01:10 [kiwanja]
- hi, yes - ken here (kiwanja)
- 12:01:17 [steph]
- sure !
- 12:01:21 [steph]
- for now just you and me
- 12:01:41 [steph]
- and the 2 bots: rrsagent managing the minutes and zakim, managing the telecoenference system
- 12:05:21 [steph]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0043.html
- 12:06:30 [steph]
- scribe: Stephane
- 12:06:37 [steph]
- scribenick: steph
- 12:06:53 [steph]
- Topic: last meeting minute approval
- 12:07:48 [Zakim]
- + +2
- 12:08:08 [steph]
- zakim, +2 is Renjish
- 12:08:08 [Zakim]
- +Renjish; got it
- 12:09:08 [steph]
- Action: steph to investigate the availability of a java applet to connect to irc
- 12:09:45 [steph]
- Jacob: we had discussion around the mission statement, focusing on accuracy.
- 12:09:55 [steph]
- may be we are not ready now
- 12:10:11 [Zakim]
- + +035850558aaee
- 12:10:13 [steph]
- we should try to reach a level we are ok with
- 12:10:23 [steph]
- zakim, aaee is Lauri
- 12:10:23 [Zakim]
- +Lauri; got it
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- + +55115586aaff
- 12:10:56 [steph]
- zakim, aaff is Tadao
- 12:10:56 [Zakim]
- +Tadao; got it
- 12:11:35 [steph]
- jacob: and then update it later when appropriate
- 12:12:14 [steph]
- Topic: Introduction
- 12:12:19 [steph]
- Steph: Lauri
- 12:12:28 [steph]
- Lauri hirovanen from Nokia
- 12:12:51 [steph]
- primary interest: how to improve the use of mobile phone to access service in dev countries
- 12:13:13 [steph]
- active in different domains, like creating .mobi (more than 1 millions today)
- 12:13:21 [steph]
- very popular in dev countries
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- .mobi is how creating tools to simplify how to create mobile content
- 12:13:49 [steph]
- s/how/now/
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- highlights 9 months ago at Unesco
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- more than 200 participants
- 12:14:33 [steph]
- and demonstrated the use of mobile phone to offer services
- 12:14:57 [steph]
- Topic: Review of Action Items
- 12:15:13 [steph]
- Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list
- 12:15:18 [steph]
- Stephane: pending
- 12:15:24 [steph]
- Stephane to put the current framework document on the wiki
- 12:15:40 [steph]
- Stephane: done http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework
- 12:16:03 [steph]
- Stephane to publish last meeting minutes and update participants name before
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- done
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- Action: Stephane to publish july 28 minutes
- 12:17:06 [steph]
- Topic: Raising awareness of MW4D IG
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- Stephane: raise awareness of the group
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- existence
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- Topic: Framework discussion
- 12:20:06 [steph]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework#vision
- 12:20:39 [kiwanja]
- thanks
- 12:21:30 [steph]
- Jacob: study a case study
- 12:22:11 [steph]
- Renjish: few lines around describing a scenario before the bullets
- 12:23:56 [steph]
- Action: Renjish to write a scenario around the vision
- 12:24:07 [steph]
- Jacob: exactly, i will help
- 12:26:11 [steph]
- Stephane: i believe there are 3 areas: grass root/ institution/ entrepreneur
- 12:27:28 [steph]
- Ken: perhaps other categories
- 12:29:01 [steph]
- Stephane: orthogonal categorization
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- either by sectors (health, education,...)
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- or by categories of providers
- 12:31:40 [steph]
- Ken: mgov services
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- good targets
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- and see what are channels we can work through
- 12:33:12 [steph]
- Stephane: other type of services, not only mgov can be workable at gov level
- 12:34:15 [steph]
- Ken: empowering grass-root
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- is the most exciting work
- 12:35:01 [steph]
- might be that engaging all channels is too much for
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- all
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- ken: for now, underserved are not considered by government
- 12:36:14 [steph]
- Jacob: 3 channels have different approaches, not going in depht enough
- 12:36:34 [kiwanja]
- (underserved, i.e. grassroots are generally not considered a main focus of mobile4dev projects)
- 12:36:34 [steph]
- niche area for one or two can bring more impact
- 12:37:27 [steph]
- Renjish: considering different channels, all stakeholders have ot be engaged
- 12:37:57 [steph]
- solutions should be work accross channels
- 12:38:20 [steph]
- deployment on the ground using different players is important.
- 12:38:29 [steph]
- cooperation important
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- it can take multiple combinations
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- Steph: agreed but quite hard in practice
- 12:40:05 [steph]
- Renjish: operationnal challenges
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- this is our goal to tackle them
- 12:40:32 [steph]
- First goal to come to technological solution independent of the channels
- 12:41:01 [steph]
- Ken: challenges are not only technological solutiosn
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- technical challenges, partnership challenges, ...
- 12:41:59 [steph]
- Ken: challenges of this group to find things we can do
- 12:43:17 [steph]
- Stephane: i doubt that technological challenges are not channel independent
- 12:43:29 [steph]
- Lauri: good book: mobile internet for dummies
- 12:43:34 [steph]
- interesting for consumers
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- covers how to use your mobile phones to access web services
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- excellent documentation for consumer to access services
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- i will forward the references
- 12:46:42 [steph]
- Renjish: let's think about the common denominator
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- to work for all
- 12:46:53 [steph]
- Ken: agreed
- 12:47:14 [steph]
- ngo will use the lowest option
- 12:47:50 [steph]
- Renjish: ngo needs supports for sure
- 12:48:07 [steph]
- need of involvment of all stakeholder
- 12:48:17 [steph]
- Lauri: agreed completely
- 12:48:26 [steph]
- aim of .mobi
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- to focus on the common denominator
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- great initiative at W3C: MWI (Mobile Web Initiative)
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- and best practices
- 12:50:27 [steph]
- we should look at worldwide solutions that would work on all phones
- 12:53:04 [steph]
- renjish: mobile phones vs mobile devices ?
- 12:53:43 [steph]
- Lauri: mobile devices definition: always connected
- 12:54:08 [steph]
- nature: you carry it with you, and able to communicate at any time the user wants
- 12:54:25 [steph]
- Renjish: a pager == mobile device ?
- 12:54:28 [Zakim]
- -Jacob
- 12:54:45 [steph]
- Ken: laptop not mobile device ?
- 12:54:53 [steph]
- Lauri: with eg a wifi, it is
- 12:55:11 [steph]
- Renjish: portability and mobility, 2 different concepts
- 12:55:55 [steph]
- ken: we should restrict
- 12:56:03 [steph]
- should not includes laptop
- 12:56:28 [Zakim]
- +Jacob
- 12:56:49 [steph]
- Lauri: smaller screen and less capabilities that a laptop
- 12:57:23 [steph]
- should we focus on what on the market
- 12:59:48 [steph]
- Stephane: range from low-end phones till high-end phones and not more
- 12:59:53 [steph]
- Ken: nokia DS ?
- 13:00:15 [steph]
- Stephane: out for me, not in the targeted market
- 13:00:22 [steph]
- Renjish: cost is also factor
- 13:01:32 [kiwanja]
- nintendo DS, steph
- 13:01:34 [steph]
- should also open to things like tablets
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- -Tadao
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- Lauri: agree, taking only mobile phones is limited
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- we have to be open
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- Action: stephane to continue discussion on definition of mobile devices
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- -Ken
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- -Renjish
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- -steph
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- -Jacob
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- -Lauri
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- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
- 13:05:13 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +33.9.50.08.aaaa, steph, Ken, +41.22.770.aacc, Jacob, Renjish, +035850558aaee, Lauri, +55115586aaff, Tadao
- 13:05:13 [steph]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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