IRC log of awwsw on 2008-07-15

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12:52:17 [hhalpin]

does the bristol w3c dial-in number give me access to their telecon?

12:52:21 [hhalpin]

I see no reason why it would not.

12:52:29 [jar286]

i too see no reason

12:52:51 [jar286]

i'm not on the call yet... will try now

12:53:08 [hhalpin]

I am in a meeting but it's almost over.

12:53:28 [hhalpin]

I will escape in a few moments...

13:01:58 [Zakim]

TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has now started

13:02:05 [Zakim]

+jar

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13:02:19 [dbooth]

zakim, code?

13:02:19 [Zakim]

the conference code is 29979 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth

13:02:27 [Zakim]

+DBooth

13:03:08 [hhalpin]

I will dial-in once I can escape a horrible meeting and talk some secretary into giving me a phone.

13:03:57 [dbooth]

Meeting: AWWSW

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Chair: Jonathan Rees (jar)

13:06:30 [jar286]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome

13:08:50 [Zakim]

+Alan

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13:12:24 [alanr]

zakim, mute me

13:12:24 [Zakim]

sorry, alanr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:12:31 [alanr]

zakim, who is here

13:12:31 [Zakim]

alanr, you need to end that query with '?'

13:12:38 [alanr]

zakim, who is here?

13:12:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jar, DBooth, Alan

13:12:39 [Zakim]

On IRC I see alanr, dbooth, RRSAgent, hhalpin, Zakim, jar286, trackbot

13:12:50 [alanr]

zakim, Alan is alanr

13:12:50 [Zakim]

+alanr; got it

13:12:54 [alanr]

zakim, mute me

13:12:54 [Zakim]

alanr should now be muted

13:13:01 [alanr]

intent matters

13:13:24 [alanr]

going forward: represent intent explicitly

13:13:39 [alanr]

hi harry!

13:13:54 [alanr]

ok

13:14:05 [alanr]

I've got a vacuum on, so I'm muted

13:14:09 [alanr]

atm

13:17:08 [alanr]

in emacs :)

13:17:44 [alanr]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/LSW

13:18:12 [alanr]

today's lsw fun: http://groups.google.com/group/obi-owl/browse_thread/thread/59c694f413204f1f

13:19:05 [jar286]

http://groups.google.com/group/lsw-discuss

13:19:35 [alanr]

here's another fun thing: http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/tools/build/external-templates.txt

13:19:51 [alanr]

template for filling in information given an id, from sparql queries

13:20:12 [alanr]

interpreter, in lsw: http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/tools/build/create-external-derived.lisp

13:20:43 [alanr]

driven off of http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/ontology/branches/external.owl

13:20:53 [alanr]

to generate http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/ontology/branches/externalDerived.owl

13:21:18 [alanr]

zakim, unmute me

13:21:18 [Zakim]

alanr should no longer be muted

13:23:36 [jar286]

hhaplin, if you're paying attention, it would be great to have you on the call

13:24:21 [hhalpin]

I am trying to get on...be on in 5 minutes.

13:26:40 [Zakim]

+ +0186528aaaa

13:26:47 [hhalpin]

Zakim, aaaa is HarryH

13:26:47 [Zakim]

+HarryH; got it

13:27:51 [alanr]

http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/tools/build/add-assumed-individuals.lisp

13:28:35 [dbooth]

(We've been having unstructured discussion of IRs and Alan's fun stuff involving Lisp, Java, RDF, SPARQL, etc.)

13:28:52 [dbooth]

(While waiting to see if a quorum would show up.)

13:29:03 [dbooth]

Topic: This meeting

13:29:31 [alanr]

provenance and *process*

13:29:41 [dbooth]

Harry: I think what tim wants is an ont of provenance.

13:29:48 [dbooth]

jar: that hasn't come up yet.

13:30:04 [dbooth]

harry: It's come up obliquely on swig, around RDFa.

13:31:11 [dbooth]

... Do you merge all the stuff? What if it's consistent? These questions are key, but the fuzziest part of the SW implicit ont. If tim wants an RDF ont of where RDF comes from. Given a URI, where do you get the RDF for it?

13:31:44 [jar286]

tim has said it's not worthwhile to explain what an IR is

13:31:57 [dbooth]

alan: part of the cultural gulf is that one should be able to explain what an IR is, ranging from "I know it when I see it", but some peples eyes are different than others.

13:32:51 [dbooth]

s/peples/peoples/

13:33:07 [alanr]

we're toddlers

13:33:10 [alanr]

3 years old

13:34:01 [alanr]

+1

13:34:11 [dbooth]

harry: given a URI, what RDF do you get? I think these are good questions. Even if timbl can't make all the meetings, it would be good to keep hacking at these qeustions.

13:34:44 [dbooth]

jar: My next impulse is to take the artifacts that we've done in this group adn put them together in an owl ont.

13:34:50 [hhalpin]

URIs?

13:34:59 [hhalpin]

shared definitions?

13:35:15 [jar286]

'home page' is http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome but it won't answer your question of where the artifacts are

13:35:18 [dbooth]

alan: To build an ont we need to collect the terms that are worth defining. So if you have some words that should be collected, tell us.

13:35:29 [hhalpin]

timbl had something - the "log" vocabulary - looking for URI...

13:36:49 [jar286]

the other artifacts are attached to email messages.

13:37:11 [hhalpin]

http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log

13:37:16 [hhalpin]

That's tim "ontology"

13:37:26 [jar286]

ACTION: jar to collate our rules & ontologies artifacts (files) and make them more prominent in the esw wiki

13:37:26 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-6 - Collate our rules & ontologies artifacts (files) and make them more prominent in the esw wiki [on Jonathan Rees - due 2008-07-22].

13:37:40 [alanr]

collect terms

13:37:48 [alanr]

artifacts and processes

13:37:59 [hhalpin]

Like a list of terms on the ESWC wiki?

13:38:06 [alanr]

pointer?

13:38:30 [hhalpin]

Maybe a good test would be to get a few of us to make an ontology without looking at other's people and see the diffs.

13:38:41 [hhalpin]

s/other's people/other people's ontologies

13:39:46 [jar286]

there are holes in the semweb. e.g. suppose you have some rdfa, linked to some rdf/xml, what do you do?

13:39:54 [jar286]

(that was hhaplin saying that)

13:40:58 [hhalpin]

+1 for questions

13:42:58 [hhalpin]

i'd be happy to help out with trying to do a survey some sort of ontology that doubles as a provenance ontology.

13:44:06 [hhalpin]

Alan - could you write that question down?

13:44:40 [jar286]

alan: question of which rdf graph to deal with is answered totally ahead of time (via owl:imports) - this is different from rdf (maybe)

13:47:33 [jar286]

ACTION: dbooth to make a meagre start on a questions list

13:47:33 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-7 - Make a meagre start on a questions list [on David Booth - due 2008-07-22].

13:48:46 [hhalpin]

OK, I'll write that list down of terms.

13:49:15 [jar286]

Tim's tabulator ontology is linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswAnalysis

13:49:25 [alanr]

http://neurocommons.org/page/First_IAO_workshop

13:50:12 [hhalpin]

ACTION: HarryH to write some list of terms downs and put on wiki

13:50:12 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - HarryH

13:52:43 [jar286]

hhaplin: Desirable to be able to express provenance

13:53:46 [jar286]

hhalpin: where would you attach such information? how expressed in rdf? is there an algorithm?

13:56:02 [jar286]

topic: scheduling

13:57:53 [dbooth]

Here's a page for questions/use cases: http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswQuestions

13:58:18 [dbooth]

linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome

13:59:13 [jar286]

We will meet in one week

14:02:06 [Zakim]

-DBooth

14:04:01 [alanr]

no doubt about that :)

14:07:33 [jar286]

officially adjourned.

14:07:42 [jar286]

unofficially continuing.

14:10:11 [Zakim]

-HarryH

14:10:30 [hhalpin]

bye (officially)!

14:22:36 [Zakim]

-alanr

14:22:38 [Zakim]

-jar

14:22:38 [Zakim]

TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were jar, DBooth, alanr, +0186528aaaa, HarryH

15:28:32 [jar286]

rrsagent, make logs public

15:28:56 [jar286]

zakim, bye

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