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introduction: Evan from UNICEF
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<steph> papers from workshop in BRazil: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/MS4D_WS/papers/
introduction: Raphael from International Trade Center
<steph> (Evan, Raphael papers)
<steph> Raphael Dard
introduction: Adesina policy globally & health issues
<steph> Jeff: Rochester institute
<steph> member of MWBP WG
<steph> interested in power of mobile devices
<steph> for comm between people
<steph> scribe: jeffs
introduction: JD from Nokia
... Marianne from Walt Disney
... bill
<steph> EFR Source
Bill from EFR Source in Washington State US
introduction:Tadao
worldwide econ analysis & info
two previous workshops, clear need to mix views of people from different parts of the world & different needs/situations
getting some mailing list participation now from people from developing regions
question: key items/barriers to more participation?
cost of teleconference connections barrier to participation from ppl in developing world
note presence of many small NGOs, suggests many small mtgs in developing world
Raphael: has contact w person in Ghana
<steph> about tradenet
expand reach of this group & discussion through mtg participants actively inviting in ppl from our personal networks
steph: framework discussion may make easier to see who to attract
my contribution: need to hear about needs from ppl who live & work there
note by speaker of languages potential problem in mtgs
Evan:set framework 1st, then maybe survey or topics-list to discuss w colleagues around the world
steph: consider 2-levels of participation... ppl like on this call today dealing w 1 specific topic per mtg & inviting ppl from our networks in for specific topics
<steph> http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/
raphael: likes wiki idea
steph: need to discuss how to make contributions happen smoothly
<steph> ACTION: stephane to start a discussion about the wiki on the mailing-list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-mw4d-minutes.html#action01]
steph: proposes move to major topic (framework) now
steph: start discussion by putting out some
ideas to start with
... name of group (mobile web for development) reflects reasons for group
group to explore how to make services/expansions beyond SMS etc; having a browser on the device is not enough
I was just saying the req'd client-side s/w would be in place/ubiquitous for basic Web connectivity
Adesina: what is scope? h/w? s/w? other
things?
... possible 3 segments: tech aspects, end-user, social/innovative
development factors
segment this group along those lines?
(stepping out of scribe mode)keep as 1 group but address all 3 areas(scribing again)
<steph> ok
Adesina: global trend in devices towards mobile/portable devs in between smart phones & laptops
<steph> adesina: trend is mobile device, between mobile phones and laptop
jeffs says like emerging "sub-notebook" category (OLPC etc)
jeffs suggests: think mobile device not mobile phone
Adesina: knowledge workers esp need in-between devices
steph: dangerous to focus on guessing future; Adesina: presenting what encountered
Marianne: good to have scope discussion,
devices need to be taken into consideration
... list out items needed to be dealt with (broad scope of toipics), deal w
one at a time one per mtg
Evan: ubiquitous device pattern can be expected to persist in other regions, no matter the appropriate form-factor for that person/scenerio
JD: simpler phones are cheaper, so they are
attractive purchasing options for folks
... likes idea of topical discussions (ea has mtg of its own)
steph: agree, lots of projects ongoing recent
years; wants to gather findings together & help avoid reinventing wheel
syndrome
... wants to help make number of new projects in this area curve
exponentially higher, like web pages did. sees gathering existing materials
as one route to that
... match issues to specific findings already in lit
Adesina: experience shows don't put out into
developing world feature-less devices, will fail, & line between types of
devices blurring
... cost, market segmentation basic issues
steph: cost is one thing, adaption is another
easier to extend power of devs ppl already have than to get new devs out there
raphael: discussion of using the wiki
... likes the structure of the wiki also, provides focus for this &
future discussions
rafael: use the wiki, use the wiki, use the wiki
Evan: other websites available to read, let us leverage
steph: get set up on wiki, use it, good organizing tool
Adesina: focus on ppl already using these devices might be good for start
steph: will try to summarize the discussion
over the next few days
... next mtg: 21 JULY same time same virtual place