IRC log of forms on 2008-06-18

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14:42:27 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #forms
14:42:27 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc
14:42:48 [Charlie]: rrsagent, make log public
14:43:02 [Steven]: trackbot has new magic
14:43:06 [Charlie]: zakim, who is here?
14:43:06 [Zakim]: On the phone I see [IBM]
14:43:07 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, trackbot, Steven, shepazu
14:43:07 [Steven]: trackbot, start call
14:43:07 [trackbot]: Sorry, Steven, I don't understand 'trackbot, start call'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:43:15 [Charlie]: zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
14:43:15 [Zakim]: +Charlie; got it
14:43:20 [Steven]: trackbot, begin call
14:43:20 [trackbot]: Sorry, Steven, I don't understand 'trackbot, begin call'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:43:59 [Steven]: trackbot, start telcon
14:44:01 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs public
14:44:03 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be HTML_Forms
14:44:03 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot, I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM already started
14:44:04 [nick]: nick has joined #forms
14:44:04 [trackbot]: Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:44:04 [trackbot]: Date: 18 June 2008
14:44:11 [Steven]: tada!
14:44:23 [nick]: zakim, code?
14:44:23 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
14:44:34 [Charlie]: zakim, who is talking?
14:44:46 [Zakim]: Charlie, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:45:01 [Zakim]: +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:45:03 [Zakim]: -Charlie
14:45:04 [Zakim]: +Charlie
14:45:04 [Zakim]: -Charlie
14:45:15 [nick]: zakim, who is here?
14:45:15 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:45:16 [Zakim]: On IRC I see nick, RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, trackbot, Steven, shepazu
14:45:27 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
14:45:29 [Zakim]: -[IBM]
14:45:29 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
14:45:38 [Charlie]: zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
14:45:38 [Zakim]: +Charlie; got it
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14:46:03 [John_Boyer]: zakim, this will be forms
14:46:03 [Zakim]: ok, John_Boyer, I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM already started
14:46:09 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make log public
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14:46:24 [Zakim]: +wellsk
14:46:38 [Roger]: zakim, code?
14:46:38 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:46:49 [John_Boyer]: Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
14:46:51 [John_Boyer]: Chair: John
14:46:53 [Zakim]: +wellsk.a
14:46:54 [John_Boyer]: Scribe: Leigh
14:47:00 [John_Boyer]: scribenick: klotz
14:47:09 [John_Boyer]: Regrets: Erik, Rafael, Steven
14:47:14 [Zakim]: -wellsk.a
14:47:19 [unl]: hi guys, need some more minutes to join the call.
14:47:37 [wellsk]: zakim, who is here?
14:47:37 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Charlie, wellsk
14:47:38 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Roger, unl, wellsk, John_Boyer, nick, RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, trackbot, Steven, shepazu
14:48:02 [Zakim]: -wellsk
14:48:24 [Zakim]: +wellsk
14:48:46 [John_Boyer]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0044.html
14:48:47 [Zakim]: +Roger
14:48:55 [John_Boyer]: John_Boyer has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0044.html
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14:49:47 [Zakim]: -Roger
14:49:56 [Zakim]: +Leigh_Klotz
14:50:09 [nick]: John can we talk a minute about about writing the modules?
14:50:11 [Zakim]: +John_Boyer
14:50:15 [John_Boyer]: yes
14:50:27 [John_Boyer]: zakim, who is here?
14:50:27 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Charlie, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, John_Boyer
14:50:29 [Zakim]: On IRC I see klotz, Roger, unl, wellsk, John_Boyer, nick, RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, trackbot, Steven, shepazu
14:50:39 [Zakim]: +Roger
14:50:40 [Charlie]: i will need to leave 30min early...sorry
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14:50:56 [Roger]: zakim, mute me
14:50:56 [Zakim]: Roger should now be muted
14:52:13 [John_Boyer]: zakim, who is here?
14:52:13 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Charlie, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, John_Boyer, Roger (muted)
14:52:15 [Zakim]: On IRC I see prb, klotz, Roger, unl, wellsk, John_Boyer, nick, RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, trackbot, Steven, shepazu
14:52:23 [prb]: Zakim, code?
14:52:23 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), prb
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14:54:39 [Zakim]: +??P16
14:54:53 [prb]: zakim, i am ?
14:54:54 [Zakim]: +prb; got it
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14:55:26 [prb]: zakim, mute me
14:55:26 [Zakim]: prb should now be muted
14:55:51 [prb]: zakim, unmute me
14:55:51 [Zakim]: prb should no longer be muted
14:56:07 [prb]: zakim, mute me
14:56:07 [Zakim]: prb should now be muted
14:56:14 [Zakim]: +unl
14:56:31 [unl]: zakim, mute me
14:56:31 [Zakim]: unl should now be muted
14:57:19 [Steven]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/formssummer08/
14:58:17 [klotz]: formssummer08 doesn't let me declare next week's call
14:58:52 [Steven]: Send separate regrets; the qn is only to decide which calls to drop during July and Aug
15:00:12 [John_Boyer2]: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
15:08:07 [klotz]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz to modularize RNG Schema for XForms 1.1 and put it in the wiki
15:08:10 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-469 - Klotz to modularize RNG Schema for XForms 1.1 and put it in the wiki [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-06-25].
15:09:41 [klotz]: ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to work on modularized RNG Schema for XForms 1.1 and help turn it into modularized XForms 1.2 schema for bind module and the binding attributes module.
15:09:41 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-470 - Van den Bleeken to work on modularized RNG Schema for XForms 1.1 and help turn it into modularized XForms 1.2 schema for bind module and the binding attributes module. [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-06-25].
15:11:03 [Steven]: feels left out :-(
15:11:18 [klotz]: http://xformstest.org/2008-06-18.txt
15:11:31 [John_Boyer2]: Steven, did Martin provide what you needed for completing Appendix E InputMode?
15:11:43 [Steven]: ha
15:11:56 [nick]: fine for me
15:11:56 [Steven]: Well, maybe
15:12:01 [Steven]: it's still rather opawque to me
15:12:11 [Steven]: I'm hoping I can make sense of it
15:12:37 [klotz]: ACTION: John Boyer to write Binding Attributes module for XForms 1.2.
15:12:37 [trackbot]: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:12:37 [trackbot]: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:13:24 [unl]: yes
15:13:27 [Steven]: zakim, rename "John Boyer" to "Horatio Boyer"
15:13:27 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'rename "John Boyer" to "Horatio Boyer"', Steven
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15:17:23 [nick]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/formssummer08/
15:30:58 [klotz]: ACTION: Charlie Wiecha and John Boywer to create presentational materials for WebApps group for Tech Plenary.
15:30:58 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - Charlie
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15:32:01 [klotz]: ACTION: Nick van Den Bleeken to develop create presentational materials for CDF group for Tech Plenary.
15:32:01 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-471 - Van Den Bleeken to develop create presentational materials for CDF group for Tech Plenary. [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-06-25].
15:32:20 [klotz]: s/CDF/HTML/
15:32:37 [klotz]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz and John Boyer to develop create presentational materials for CDF group for Tech Plenary.
15:32:37 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-472 - Klotz and John Boyer to develop create presentational materials for CDF group for Tech Plenary. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-06-25].
15:32:59 [klotz]: ACTION: John Boyer and John Boyer to develop create presentational materials for XML SEC group for Tech Plenary.
15:32:59 [trackbot]: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:32:59 [trackbot]: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:40:09 [prb]: zakim, unmute me
15:40:09 [Zakim]: prb should no longer be muted
15:42:30 [prb]: zakim, mute me
15:42:30 [Zakim]: prb should now be muted
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15:45:33 [Zakim]: -Charlie
15:45:37 [John_Boyer2]: Action 2008-05-28.3
15:45:37 [trackbot]: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
15:46:30 [John_Boyer2]: Action 2008-05-28.5
15:46:30 [trackbot]: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
15:51:09 [John_Boyer2]: 28Action 2008-04-16.2
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15:53:25 [prb]: zakim, unmute me
15:53:25 [Zakim]: prb should no longer be muted
15:53:39 [John_Boyer2]: 28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0022.html
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15:54:40 [Roger]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0022.html
15:56:35 [John_Boyer]: http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#SOAP
15:58:32 [John_Boyer]: <submission ... mediatype="application/soap+xml; charset=xyz"
15:58:51 [John_Boyer]: ... encoding="UTF-8"
15:59:14 [John_Boyer]: 1) what if encoding given and charset not given
15:59:27 [John_Boyer]: 2) what if encoding given and charset also given but different
16:00:38 [John_Boyer]: accept header has charset if and only if @mediatype expresses one
16:01:41 [John_Boyer]: In http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jun/0022.html
16:02:11 [John_Boyer]: option b is to keep current spec wording from above (accept header has charset if and only if mediatype expresses one)
16:03:05 [John_Boyer]: option A (preferrable) is that encoding is used to set charset in accept header if charset is not expressed in submission mediatype
16:03:21 [Rafael]: Rafael has joined #forms
16:04:20 [John_Boyer]: Since encoding has default UTF-8, if we let encoding override the charset in mediatype, then charset will never get used
16:05:06 [John_Boyer]: proposal: In XForms 1.1 switch SOAP behavior to say that submission encoding provides charset to accept header if submission mediatype does not express charset
16:06:15 [klotz]: ACTION: Keith Wells to add required-but-empty test back into validity.
16:06:15 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-473 - Wells to add required-but-empty test back into validity. [on Keith Wells - due 2008-06-25].
16:06:47 [klotz]: RESOLUTION: In XForms 1.1 switch SOAP behavior to say that submission encoding provides charset to accept header if submission mediatype does not express charset
16:07:06 [klotz]: ACTION: John Boyer to, in XForms 1.1, switch SOAP behavior to say that submission encoding provides charset to accept header if submission mediatype does not express charset.
16:07:07 [trackbot]: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:07:07 [trackbot]: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:08:57 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/att-0022/2008-05-14.html#topic13
16:10:38 [prb]: zakim, mute me
16:10:38 [Zakim]: prb should now be muted
16:12:47 [prb]: zakim, unmute me
16:12:49 [Zakim]: prb should no longer be muted
16:17:30 [Zakim]: -unl
16:17:32 [Zakim]: -Leigh_Klotz
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16:17:33 [Zakim]: -wellsk
16:17:33 [Zakim]: -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:17:34 [Zakim]: -John_Boyer
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16:17:47 [klotz]: rrsagent, make minutes
16:17:47 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-minutes.html klotz
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16:18:08 [Zakim]: -Roger
16:18:10 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:18:11 [Zakim]: Attendees were Charlie, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, wellsk, Roger, Leigh_Klotz, John_Boyer, prb, unl
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16:31:42 [John_Boyer]: Steven, are you still there?
16:31:52 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, bye
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-actions.rdf :
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz to modularize RNG Schema for XForms 1.1 and put it in the wiki [1]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-08-07
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to work on modularized RNG Schema for XForms 1.1 and help turn it into modularized XForms 1.2 schema for bind module and the binding attributes module. [2]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-09-41
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: John Boyer to write Binding Attributes module for XForms 1.2. [3]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-12-37
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Charlie Wiecha and John Boywer to create presentational materials for WebApps group for Tech Plenary. [4]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-30-58
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Nick van Den Bleeken to develop create presentational materials for CDF group for Tech Plenary. [5]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-32-01
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz and John Boyer to develop create presentational materials for CDF group for Tech Plenary. [6]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-32-37
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: John Boyer and John Boyer to develop create presentational materials for XML SEC group for Tech Plenary. [7]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T15-32-59
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Keith Wells to add required-but-empty test back into validity. [8]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T16-06-15
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: John Boyer to, in XForms 1.1, switch SOAP behavior to say that submission encoding provides charset to accept header if submission mediatype does not express charset. [9]
16:31:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-forms-irc#T16-07-06