IRC log of forms on 2008-06-09
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- 07:03:23 [wellsk]
- Good Morning Everyone -- is there a tetlphone conf set uo yet?
- 07:03:35 [John_Boyer]
- Not yet
- 07:03:53 [klotz]
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- 07:03:56 [wellsk]
- Ok -- will monitor -- but I am awake and here!
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- 07:04:07 [John_Boyer]
- OK, thanks keith
- 07:04:38 [John_Boyer]
- It's very early...
- 07:06:22 [wellsk]
- 3:00 here on EST
- 07:06:45 [John_Boyer]
- You should maybe get a few hours more sleep and join us in the afternoon...
- 07:07:46 [wellsk]
- It'll be ok... I am an early bird anyways :)
- 07:07:57 [Charlie]
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- 07:12:32 [John_Boyer]
- Are you able to use skype?
- 07:12:36 [John_Boyer]
- Keith
- 07:13:16 [wellsk]
- no, but I may be able to use Sametime voice suite -- I have international permissions
- 07:13:22 [klotz]
- wellsk?
- 07:13:27 [wellsk]
- yes
- 07:13:51 [klotz]
- ah thought you might be at home but you are on an ibm network and can' t use skype?
- 07:15:13 [wellsk]
- yes -- I do not have skype installed -- but should be able to hook in though the IBM intranet using their sametime tooling with voice suites
- 07:26:13 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 07:26:52 [wellsk]
- I'll give a shot
- 07:38:08 [Steven]
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- 07:40:12 [Steven]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 07:40:19 [Steven]
- rrsagent, here
- 07:40:19 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/09-forms-irc#T07-40-19
- 07:42:45 [ebruchez]
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- 07:43:01 [John_Boyer]
- scribe: Nick
- 07:43:07 [John_Boyer]
- scribenick: nick
- 07:43:23 [Steven]
- scribenicknick: nicknick
- 07:43:33 [nick]
- John: There is an XForms 1.1 problem in how repeat works
- 07:45:34 [John_Boyer]
- Action: John to Fix descriptions of repeat index update on xforms-insert and xforms-delete for XForms 1.1
- 07:45:34 [trackbot]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
- 07:45:34 [trackbot]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
- 07:47:03 [nick]
- John to fix XForms 1.1 wording for repeat processing to associate repeat index updating with capture phase on containing model, not target instance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/05-forms-minutes.html#action01]
- 07:48:38 [nick]
- John: We have work on XForms 1.1, I added the people who have actions on it to the agenda
- 07:49:37 [nick]
- John: There are a couple of reviews too
- 07:51:15 [nick]
- John: We need to decide as a group which specs we want to produce for XForms 1.2
- 07:52:09 [nick]
- John: We have a message module, maybe we can go through it and see how we can produce an instance module
- 07:52:43 [nick]
- Erik: What does the instance model do for us? Is it a requirement, does it solves problems?
- 07:53:41 [nick]
- Steven: We will do modularization to ensure better consistency and compatibility
- 07:54:10 [nick]
- Steven: We could even just do XForms 1.2 as a module on top of XForms 1.1
- 07:54:49 [nick]
- Charlie: It enables the integration of XForms modules in toolkits like dojo
- 07:56:00 [Charlie]
- perhaps using non-xml data, e.g. JSON
- 07:56:08 [John_Boyer]
- Nick: Asks Steven about doing a separate module for "implied submission"
- 07:56:09 [ebruchez]
- s/instance model/instance module
- 07:56:48 [John_Boyer]
- Nick: Can you change the behavior of an attribute (e.g. whether it is required or optional)
- 07:57:23 [John_Boyer]
- Steven: You would modularize the submission attributes, then create a submission element module that consumes them in one way
- 07:57:58 [nick]
- Steven: You don't have to do them as separate specs
- 07:58:00 [John_Boyer]
- Steven: and an implied submission module that consumes them differently
- 07:58:30 [nick]
- klotz: How do you say which modules an implemantation supports
- 07:58:42 [nick]
- s/implemantation/implementation/
- 07:59:40 [nick]
- Steven: so XForms 1.2 could be XForms 1.1 and an extra set of modules
- 08:00:36 [nick]
- Steven: There is a dtd, schema version and outside W3C there is a Relax NG version
- 08:01:21 [nick]
- Klotz: There is sourceforge project that is an XForms 1.1 relax NG schema
- 08:02:16 [nick]
- Steven: Ideally we would modularize XForms 1.1 and create some extra modules for XForms 1.2
- 08:02:51 [nick]
- John: How many specs do we end up?
- 08:03:20 [nick]
- Steven: That is up to us, one spec or two specs (core spec and the XForms 1.2 addition modules)
- 08:03:49 [nick]
- Nick: How much work is it
- 08:04:07 [nick]
- Steven: XForms 1.1 is more or less modularized
- 08:04:26 [nick]
- Steven: It needs some work, but is partially already in there
- 08:04:35 [nick]
- Erik: What does it mean
- 08:05:14 [nick]
- Steven: You specify which elements have extension hooks (elements and attributes)
- 08:06:01 [nick]
- Steven: What you do you write it in a schema natural way (English) and then generates schema or dtd
- 08:06:54 [nick]
- Nick: Is there a requirement to generate a dtd or schema?
- 08:07:13 [nick]
- Steven: No generating a dtd or schema isn't required
- 08:08:22 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0081.html
- 08:08:59 [John_Boyer]
- http://code.google.com/p/lib-xh/wiki/MessageModule
- 08:09:55 [nick]
- John: Where do you put the MIP-events they are dispatched to UI-controls but always dispatched by the model , do you put those in the module-module or the ui-controls-module
- 08:12:17 [nick]
- Erik: We should fix the MIP-events to make them usable
- 08:13:00 [nick]
- Erik: We could add new events that are usable in a separate module
- 08:13:51 [nick]
- John: when you rewire controls we should send an initialization event
- 08:15:11 [nick]
- Charlie: If you remove the events from the module-module then you still needs something to communicate with the module
- 08:18:04 [nick]
- Steven: I don't see the problem with events, javascript is also based on events
- 08:18:34 [nick]
- Steven: XML events is the base of the javascript events
- 08:20:23 [Steven]
- s/XML/DOM/
- 08:22:50 [nick]
- John: The module should send xforms-model-construct, xforms-model-construct-doene, xforms-ready, xforms-refresh
- 08:24:45 [nick]
- Klotz: if we have a module that only does the data (no submission, no UI) xforms-model-construct-done signifies when other modules can start working on the module
- 08:25:50 [nick]
- Steven: You have all these modules and a driver that decides how these modules work together
- 08:27:28 [nick]
- Klotz: do we define the communication by events or as IDL?
- 08:28:04 [nick]
- John: I have users that use the the xforms-model-construct-done to toggle switches, ...
- 08:28:32 [nick]
- Steven: all w3c languages are events based
- 08:29:34 [nick]
- Klotz: maybe we should do an extra level of abstraction
- 08:31:07 [nick]
- Charlie: We could define the events as informative, and not doing the work in the default handler
- 08:31:35 [Steven]
- Present: Nick, Uli, Charlie, John, Erik, Leigh, Steven, Keith(remote)
- 08:32:10 [nick]
- Charie: We define an IDL that dispatches those informative events but does the work itself (not when handling the evenets)
- 08:32:22 [nick]
- s/evenets/events/
- 08:34:08 [nick]
- klotz: it will enable the possibility for extra optimizations
- 08:37:42 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-xforms-20031014/index-all.html#evt-modelConstructDone
- 08:39:30 [nick]
- klotz: we should make events informal, and create an IDL and the communication between the modules is done by the IDL
- 08:40:11 [nick]
- John: The instance module would contain the instance element, the setvalue, insert and delete actions
- 08:41:11 [nick]
- Steven: There is real value that XForms 1.2 is XForms 1.1 and this extra module
- 08:41:43 [nick]
- John: where is behavioral change
- 08:41:51 [nick]
- klotz: that all events are infomal
- 08:42:02 [nick]
- s/infomal/informal/
- 08:43:00 [nick]
- John: we already hacked the xforms-model-construct
- 08:43:19 [nick]
- Charlie: ...
- 08:43:51 [nick]
- Klotz: we are missing cancel then (if we aren't doing the processing in the default action)
- 08:44:19 [nick]
- John: you could cancel submission
- 08:48:16 [nick]
- klotz: we need to have some events that invoke the IDL method
- 08:55:32 [nick]
- John: In XForms 1.1 the repeat related stuff is put in the repeat module, the submission stuff to the submission module, the only thing that maybe went wrong that the actions went to an action module
- 08:55:57 [nick]
- klotz: It isn't wrong, the actions are just an interface on the module
- 08:57:07 [John_Boyer]
- break time
- 08:58:01 [wellsk]
- brb
- 09:17:43 [John_Boyer]
- back
- 09:17:51 [unl]
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- 09:19:19 [nick]
- John: Where do we go from here, we will stick with one spec, we need to rewrite it a bit
- 09:20:30 [nick]
- Steven: I would propose the get all elements and attributes and do a rough division
- 09:23:10 [nick]
- John: We can set a bit on an event to cancel the event
- 09:24:21 [nick]
- Nick: I don't like that, we should use XML events to cancel it
- 09:27:30 [nick]
- John: Why would the events be in the actions module? We have a lot of events that aren't triggered by actions
- 09:29:08 [Steven]
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- 09:30:50 [nick]
- klotz: what do you need to change if you want to switch to XML events 2.0 (for example bcz. we are modularized they just change the version of XML events they use)
- 09:31:06 [nick]
- Charlie: it is just plug and play
- 09:31:25 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Draftsw
- 09:31:31 [Steven]
- s/w//
- 09:31:39 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts
- 09:31:42 [unl]
- xml events 2: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xml-events-20070216/
- 09:31:44 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xml-events-20070216/
- 09:31:57 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xml-events2
- 09:33:16 [nick]
- John: How would someone catch the version of XPath that is used
- 09:33:40 [nick]
- Steven: They would be separate version of the module
- 09:34:14 [nick]
- Steven: They would have a data-type
- 09:34:52 [Rafael]
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- 09:37:17 [ebruchez]
- MS defines a mapping JSON-XML: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb924435.aspx
- 09:37:33 [Roger]
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- 09:39:33 [nick]
- John: explains problem with allowing different expression languages
- 09:39:44 [wellsk]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-adc596226cd8e557bd136ddd6f04afae92db56ac
- 09:40:03 [wellsk]
- (module breakdown listed in 2.0 features
- 09:40:35 [wellsk]
- also, wouldn't Mark's Message module posted earlier be a good starting place?
- 09:41:50 [wellsk]
- 1.2 modules: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-59b64c2c07c13848069d48f8097ca1b28be16d9e
- 09:43:33 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/
- 09:43:42 [nick]
- Steven: is going to project some examples of modularisation
- 09:44:58 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_xhtmlmodules
- 09:53:57 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_intrinsiceventsmodule
- 09:54:48 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_common_collection
- 09:55:02 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_events_collection
- 09:59:50 [nick]
- Note that the Events collection is only defined when the Intrinsic Events Module is selected. Otherwise, the Events collection is empty.
- 10:04:43 [klotz]
- http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/AddProfileAtt.html#AddAttRelaxNG
- 10:08:48 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
- 10:11:16 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-59b64c2c07c13848069d48f8097ca1b28be16d9e
- 10:12:04 [nick]
- Steven: Data Properties module could have the attributes type, constraint, ...
- 10:13:36 [nick]
- klotz: I would have thought that the module-module would have an IDL method to ask for validity
- 10:14:58 [nick]
- klotz: So data properties needs to modify the DOM to allow adding properties to nodes
- 10:17:05 [nick]
- klotz: it could be possible that the user-defined properties can only be added by other modules
- 10:22:05 [nick]
- Steven: starts writing the modules on the wall
- 10:34:41 [nick]
- xforms
- 10:34:41 [nick]
- data
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- Instance data
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- type
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- Meta data
- 10:34:42 [nick]
- manipulators
- 10:34:44 [nick]
- logic
- 10:34:46 [nick]
- submissions
- 10:34:48 [nick]
- binding
- 10:34:50 [nick]
- constraint
- 10:34:52 [nick]
- calculate
- 10:34:54 [nick]
- relevant
- 10:34:56 [nick]
- controls
- 10:34:58 [nick]
- container Form controls
- 10:35:00 [nick]
- group
- 10:35:02 [nick]
- repeat
- 10:35:04 [nick]
- input Form controls
- 10:35:06 [nick]
- outut Form controls
- 10:35:09 [nick]
- 10:35:10 [nick]
- label
- 10:35:12 [nick]
- messaging
- 10:36:07 [John_Boyer]
- lunch
- 12:04:29 [Charlie]
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- 12:08:31 [Roger]
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- 12:34:02 [ebruchez]
- FYI XProc uses an xpath-version attribute to specify the version of XPath requested: http://www.w3.org/TR/xproc/#xpath-context
- 12:43:31 [nick]
- xforms
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- Model
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- data
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- Instance data
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- type
- 12:43:32 [nick]
- Meta data
- 12:43:34 [nick]
- Properties set, get, create
- 12:43:36 [nick]
- manipulators
- 12:43:38 [nick]
- IDL for set, get, insert, delete
- 12:43:40 [nick]
- bind
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- expression engine
- 12:43:44 [nick]
- logic
- 12:43:46 [nick]
- constraint
- 12:43:48 [nick]
- calculate
- 12:43:50 [nick]
- relevant
- 12:43:52 [nick]
- controls
- 12:43:54 [nick]
- container Form controls
- 12:43:56 [nick]
- group
- 12:43:58 [nick]
- repeat
- 12:44:00 [nick]
- switch
- 12:44:02 [nick]
- input Form controls
- 12:44:05 [nick]
- outut Form controls
- 12:44:06 [nick]
- 12:44:08 [nick]
- label
- 12:44:10 [nick]
- messaging
- 12:44:12 [nick]
- submission
- 12:44:14 [nick]
- cross-cutting:
- 12:44:16 [nick]
- actions
- 12:44:18 [nick]
- events
- 12:44:20 [nick]
- IDL
- 12:44:22 [nick]
- elements + Attrs
- 12:44:24 [nick]
- expression extension functions
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- xforms
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- -Model
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- --data
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- ---Instance data
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- ----type
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- ---Meta data
- 12:44:47 [nick]
- ----Properties set, get, create
- 12:44:49 [nick]
- ---manipulators
- 12:44:51 [nick]
- ----IDL for set, get, insert, delete
- 12:44:53 [nick]
- ---bind
- 12:44:55 [nick]
- ---expression engine
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- --logic
- 12:44:59 [nick]
- ---constraint
- 12:45:02 [nick]
- ---calculate
- 12:45:03 [nick]
- ---relevant
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- -controls
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- --container Form controls
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- ---group
- 12:45:12 [nick]
- ---repeat
- 12:45:13 [nick]
- ---switch
- 12:45:16 [nick]
- --input Form controls
- 12:45:17 [nick]
- --outut Form controls
- 12:45:19 [nick]
- --
- 12:45:21 [nick]
- label
- 12:45:23 [nick]
- messaging
- 12:45:25 [nick]
- submission
- 12:47:06 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#structure-model-instance
- 12:47:36 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#structure-abstract
- 12:48:27 [nick]
- TOPIC: Instance module
- 12:48:39 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#structure-model-instance
- 12:48:46 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#structure-abstract
- 12:57:10 [Steven]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 12:57:10 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/09-forms-minutes.html Steven
- 12:57:52 [Steven]
- Meeting: XForms FtF, Amsterdam, Day 1
- 12:58:10 [Steven]
- Chair: John
- 12:58:24 [Steven]
- Present+Rafael
- 12:58:28 [Steven]
- Present+Roger
- 12:59:01 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_instance_data_module
- 13:00:06 [Steven]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 13:00:06 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/09-forms-minutes.html Steven
- 13:02:54 [Steven]
- Regrets: MarkS
- 13:04:31 [nick]
- discussion about adding setvalue, getvalue, ... to instance, there are problems if you use another expression engine (context, expressions), you also have the problem that readonly needs to be enforced which is in the logic module
- 13:05:08 [nick]
- john: you need to be able to override the IDL functions
- 13:05:33 [nick]
- klotz: maybe we need pre/post hooks
- 13:08:38 [nick]
- klotz: how can we give access to the DOM interface and support read-only
- 13:10:29 [nick]
- klotz: we can do this by specifying precisely what operations are allowed
- 13:15:13 [Steven]
- that is Mark typing
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- 13:25:39 [Steven]
- Present+MarkB
- 13:33:22 [nick]
- John: value change events are send to UI-controls and send during refresh, not when the instance changes
- 13:34:36 [nick]
- Charlie: I think we need to focus on refactoring to modules and not discuss the related new features
- 13:34:51 [nick]
- John: but they may change the modules
- 13:36:43 [nick]
- John: We already have getInstance(), maybe we should shoot it
- 13:37:09 [nick]
- Charlie: lets modularize first then later fix
- 13:39:55 [nick]
- Uli: we have an XPath data model not a DOM model
- 13:42:05 [nick]
- John: we can use XFormsNode and define our operations
- 13:42:24 [Steven]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 13:42:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/09-forms-minutes.html Steven
- 13:42:32 [nick]
- Erik: Don't create the 6th XML representation model
- 13:44:14 [nick]
- Erik: we can use infoset
- 13:45:13 [nick]
- s/infoset/XML Information Set (Infoset)/
- 13:45:25 [klotz]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-XPath/idl-definitions.html
- 13:53:57 [unl]
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- 13:58:34 [nick]
- in java they have http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/index.html?javax/script/ScriptEngineManager.html
- 13:58:46 [nick]
- http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/script/ScriptContext.html
- 13:58:51 [nick]
- (wrong link)
- 14:04:25 [nick]
- klotz: explains that leaf nodes in JSON can't an object that holds the value
- 14:04:33 [markbirbeck]
- I'm not quite sure what you guys are talking about...but if you are discussing 'access languages' for different data models, I think it might not be the right approach.
- 14:04:57 [markbirbeck]
- XPath and XQuery are 'abstract' syntaxes, and the XPath data model is 'abstract' too.
- 14:05:09 [markbirbeck]
- So we can still access JSON data with XPath.
- 14:05:34 [markbirbeck]
- I could...sorry.
- 14:05:38 [Steven]
- :-)
- 14:06:18 [markbirbeck]
- The Ubiquity XForms processor uses Google's AjaXSLT library...
- 14:06:33 [markbirbeck]
- ...that implements XML an XSLT on browsers that don't have it natively...
- 14:06:48 [markbirbeck]
- ...so an XPath query there is effectlively querying against JSON.
- 14:06:50 [klotz]
- John asked if we could define IDL to get the references from an expression-lanuage string and have it return an object array; I said that in the JSON implementation, it would be necessary to return tuples of {hash,name}, and Uli said just returning an array of strings simply for the path.
- 14:07:02 [John_Boyer]
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- 14:07:14 [Charlie]
- not clear if that (xpath over json) is an attractive option for the current ajax community
- 14:07:31 [klotz]
- We've discussed that it's possible to apply Xpath to a JSON data model, and with suitable restrictions (first-node at each level, no mixed content, no attributes) it's possible to apply a JSON expression to an XML data model.
- 14:07:41 [markbirbeck]
- Charlie...I agree that there is a question there.
- 14:07:54 [markbirbeck]
- But note that lots of libraries now are letting you express CSS with XPath.
- 14:08:11 [markbirbeck]
- So we shouldn't assume that XPath is a 'no no'.
- 14:10:42 [klotz]
- So we follow YAGNI and decide not to worry about JSON while we are working on modularization today, not having sufficient examples to generalize from.
- 14:12:59 [klotz]
- http://c2.com/xp/YouArentGonnaNeedIt.html
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- 14:13:54 [nick]
- charlie: lets make it work with XML first
- 14:14:18 [nick]
- John: what does getReferences return: NodeList
- 14:14:57 [nick]
- John: what does getDocument() return: DOMDocument
- 14:16:43 [klotz]
- I think if you implement the instance module in isolation you need DOM, but if you wrap instance up in the rest of XForms it's your choice as an implementor whether to expose it or not.
- 14:21:43 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-XPath/idl-definitions.html
- 14:23:14 [nick]
- Erik: Is not enough for us, the context needs a position and context-size
- 14:23:46 [nick]
- Erik: Otherwise position() and last() wouldn't work
- 14:35:35 [nick]
- John: When repeat adds index() does it becomes available in all modules, or only in some modules
- 14:42:44 [nick]
- Erik: How do we define in our language which functions are allowed where?
- 15:08:16 [markbirbeck]
- I'm not following this idea of "which functions are allowed where".
- 15:08:40 [markbirbeck]
- The extension mechanism is via @functions, is it not?
- 15:08:52 [markbirbeck]
- So aren't the functions then available to that model?
- 15:09:06 [markbirbeck]
- Is there a suggestion that we need more than that?
- 15:10:48 [Steven]
- say it out loud Mark
- 15:20:00 [Charlie]
- we're in the instance module so we don't have @functions
- 15:20:24 [Charlie]
- unless we reintroduce it there...
- 15:41:19 [markbirbeck]
- You're trying to define an instance module that is independent of a model?
- 15:41:50 [markbirbeck]
- Isn't that pretty much the DOM? (Putting aside data model.)
- 15:42:14 [ebruchez]
- String positionAttribute,
- 15:42:14 [ebruchez]
- List collectionToBeUpdated,
- 15:42:15 [ebruchez]
- NodeInfo insertContextNodeInfo,
- 15:42:15 [ebruchez]
- List originObjects,
- 15:42:15 [ebruchez]
- int insertionIndex
- 15:42:17 [markbirbeck]
- JavaScript supports pretty much everything...including aspects, John. :)
- 15:46:59 [klotz]
- Aspect-Oriented Javascript: http://www.devx.com/webdev/Article/31695
- 15:47:54 [John_Boyer]
- end of day
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:48:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/09-forms-minutes.html Steven
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