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14:43:25 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
14:44:17 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
14:44:48 <Steven> Hi there
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14:44:52 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:45:11 <Steven> There is a national ADSL breakdown, so I am using my mobile for calls AND internet
14:45:19 <Steven> so my sound quality will be terrible
14:45:51 <Steven> will be there in just a moment
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14:46:07 <Zakim> +Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
14:46:19 <Roger> zakim, code?
14:46:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:46:22 <Zakim> + +1.919.254.aaaa
14:46:25 <unl> zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
14:46:25 <Zakim> +unl; got it
14:46:32 <wellsk> zakim, aaaa is wellsk
14:46:32 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
14:46:32 <unl> zakim, mute me
14:46:33 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
14:46:42 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:46:52 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0017.html
14:47:04 <nick> nick has joined #forms
14:47:16 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
14:47:18 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
14:47:19 <nick> zakim, codee?
14:47:20 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, nick.
14:47:24 <nick> zakim, code?
14:47:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
14:47:56 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
14:48:01 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
14:48:04 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:48:22 <ebruchez> ebruchez has joined #forms
14:48:24 <John_Boyer> Regrets: MarkB, Rogelio
14:49:10 <Zakim> + +03491211aabb
14:49:18 <Roger> zakim, aabb is Roger
14:49:18 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
14:49:23 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
14:49:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, John_Boyer, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Roger
14:49:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see ebruchez, nick, klotz, Roger, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Charlie, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng, shepazu
14:49:27 <Zakim> +??P7
14:49:32 <ebruchez> zakim,??P7 is ebruchez
14:49:32 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
14:49:52 <Roger> John: was Rafael not me who sent the regrets
14:50:26 <Roger> no problem
14:50:36 <John_Boyer> Regrets-Rogelio
14:50:46 <John_Boyer> Regrets+Rafael
14:50:53 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
14:50:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
14:51:57 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile
14:51:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:51:59 <Zakim> +Steven
14:52:06 <klotz> klotz has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/
14:52:16 <klotz> klotz has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0017.html
14:52:27 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
14:52:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, John_Boyer, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Roger, ebruchez, Steven
14:52:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see ebruchez, nick, klotz, Roger, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Charlie, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng, shepazu
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14:55:30 <John_Boyer> http://code.google.com/p/ubiquity-xforms/
14:56:58 <Charlie> * typing is loud
14:57:11 <klotz> wasn't me
14:57:19 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is noisy?
14:57:30 <Zakim> John_Boyer, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Charlie (18%), John_Boyer (12%)
14:57:39 <Charlie> * not me!
14:57:58 <Steven> might have been my keyboard; sorry if it was
14:58:34 <nick> there is an info page
14:58:42 <unl> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2008_06
14:58:46 <Roger> Roger has joined #forms
14:58:56 <unl> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/formsftf200806/
14:59:09 <Charlie> * you're a very enthusiastic typer, steven
14:59:13 <Steven> if anybody feels inclined to insert relevant sentences into the irc channel, he would be obliged
14:59:14 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is noisy?
14:59:25 <klotz> maybe muting steven on zakim will help since perhaps he is half-duplex
14:59:25 <Roger> sounds like a horse race
14:59:26 <Zakim> John_Boyer, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Charlie (13%), unl (58%), John_Boyer (50%), Steven (8%)
14:59:37 <Steven> zakim, mute me
14:59:37 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
14:59:44 <unl> i'm muted
14:59:56 <Steven> is that better?
14:59:57 <unl> zakim, mute me again
14:59:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute me again', unl
15:00:04 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:00:04 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:00:09 <unl> no
15:00:16 <nick> zakim, mute me
15:00:16 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:00:18 <klotz> the correlation is weak, steven, so it will take another minute to tell
15:01:55 <Steven> Biweekly or ?
15:02:02 <klotz> biweekly or weekly
15:02:13 <Steven> weekly would clash with HCG
15:02:20 <John_Boyer> Either biweekly or every week, the latter of which would mean a different time than 10am eastern due to conflict with HCG time
15:04:47 <Steven> I *promise* I will do some actions this week
15:05:01 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/klotz/2008/05/ubiquity/test.xhtml
15:06:06 <nick> ack, me
15:06:14 <nick> ack me
15:06:27 <Steven> Ubiquity test works in IE, not in Opera
15:07:43 <John_Boyer> 28<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0014.html> rnstarting target is IE+Firefox for June, Safari in August
15:07:53 <John_Boyer> Would like opera, but need some open source help to get there
15:07:57 <klotz> Ask howcome to fix it then.
15:08:05 <Steven> ok
15:08:24 <John_Boyer> good point, they should be IE compatible, right?
15:13:44 <wellsk> yes
15:13:48 <nick> yes
15:15:40 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html
15:16:30 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0019.html
15:22:17 <nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3
15:24:28 <nick> and accept-charset ?
15:25:38 <nick> fine
15:27:16 <klotz> ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3 and make proposal for accept providing default to xf:upload/@mediatype and make proposal for accept-charset for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html
15:27:17 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-460 - Van den Bleeken to read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3 and make proposal for accept providing default to xf:upload/@mediatype and make proposal for accept-charset for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-05-21].
15:31:37 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/klotz/2008/05/submit.html has no submit
15:32:15 <nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Allow_submission_elements_without_model_element
15:45:49 <klotz> http://microformats.org/wiki/rest/datatypes
15:47:17 <wellsk> it works with ff
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15:53:39 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html
15:54:36 <nick> or <model> <model id="S1" src=".../serviceDefinition1.xfmodel"/> <model id="S2" src=".../serviceDefinition2.xfmodel"/> </model>
15:55:31 <klotz> protected public private static inner model
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16:02:07 <nick> I meant <form> <model> <model id="S1" src=".../serviceDefinition1.xfmodel"/> <model id="S2" src=".../serviceDefinition2.xfmodel"/> </model> </form>
16:04:13 <unl_> ack me
16:05:10 <nick> I see a lot of extra work, but I could be wrong ...
16:06:20 <John_Boyer> zakim, ack unl
16:06:20 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:07:47 <John_Boyer> Instead of nested models, solve cross-model communication, possibly by defining the interface in the model
16:10:04 <Zakim> -Steven
16:14:05 <nick> +1
16:15:40 <klotz> RESOLUTION: Defer model/@src to XForms 2.0 and we solve the cross-model interface problem there too.
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16:16:53 <Zakim> -wellsk
16:16:56 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:16:56 <ebruchez> be
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16:16:57 <Zakim> -unl
16:16:58 <ebruchez> bye
16:16:58 <Zakim> -Charlie
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16:16:59 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:17:04 <Zakim> -Roger
16:17:17 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
16:17:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see ebruchez
16:17:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see John_Boyer, nick, klotz, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, trackbot-ng, shepazu
16:17:29 <John_Boyer> zakim, disconnect ebruchez
16:17:29 <Zakim> ebruchez is being disconnected
16:17:30 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:17:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Charlie, John_Boyer, +1.919.254.aaaa, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, +03491211aabb, Roger, ebruchez, Steven
16:17:40 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:17:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:17:46 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:17:46 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-actions.rdf :
16:17:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3 and make proposal for accept providing default to xf:upload/@mediatype and make proposal for accept-charset for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html [1]
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