IRC log of forms on 2008-05-14

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-irc
14:43:25 [John_Boyer]
rrsagent, make log public
14:44:17 [Zakim]
+John_Boyer
14:44:48 [Steven]
Hi there
14:44:48 [unl]
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14:44:52 [John_Boyer]
Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:45:11 [Steven]
There is a national ADSL breakdown, so I am using my mobile for calls AND internet
14:45:19 [Steven]
so my sound quality will be terrible
14:45:51 [Steven]
will be there in just a moment
14:46:01 [Roger]
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14:46:07 [Zakim]
+Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
14:46:19 [Roger]
zakim, code?
14:46:19 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:46:22 [Zakim]
+ +1.919.254.aaaa
14:46:25 [unl]
zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
14:46:25 [Zakim]
+unl; got it
14:46:32 [wellsk]
zakim, aaaa is wellsk
14:46:32 [Zakim]
+wellsk; got it
14:46:32 [unl]
zakim, mute me
14:46:33 [Zakim]
unl should now be muted
14:46:42 [John_Boyer]
Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:46:52 [John_Boyer]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0017.html
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Chair: John
14:47:18 [Zakim]
+Leigh_Klotz
14:47:19 [nick]
zakim, codee?
14:47:20 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, nick.
14:47:24 [nick]
zakim, code?
14:47:24 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
14:47:56 [John_Boyer]
Scribe: Leigh
14:48:01 [John_Boyer]
scribenick: klotz
14:48:04 [Zakim]
+Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:48:22 [ebruchez]
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14:48:24 [John_Boyer]
Regrets: MarkB, Rogelio
14:49:10 [Zakim]
+ +03491211aabb
14:49:18 [Roger]
zakim, aabb is Roger
14:49:18 [Zakim]
+Roger; got it
14:49:23 [wellsk]
zakim, who is here?
14:49:23 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Charlie, John_Boyer, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Roger
14:49:25 [Zakim]
On IRC I see ebruchez, nick, klotz, Roger, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Charlie, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng, shepazu
14:49:27 [Zakim]
+??P7
14:49:32 [ebruchez]
zakim,??P7 is ebruchez
14:49:32 [Zakim]
+ebruchez; got it
14:49:52 [Roger]
John: was Rafael not me who sent the regrets
14:50:26 [Roger]
no problem
14:50:36 [John_Boyer]
Regrets-Rogelio
14:50:46 [John_Boyer]
Regrets+Rafael
14:50:53 [John_Boyer]
rrsagent, make minutes
14:50:53 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
14:51:57 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-mobile
14:51:57 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:51:59 [Zakim]
+Steven
14:52:06 [klotz]
klotz has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/
14:52:16 [klotz]
klotz has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0017.html
14:52:27 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is here?
14:52:27 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Charlie, John_Boyer, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Roger, ebruchez, Steven
14:52:29 [Zakim]
On IRC I see ebruchez, nick, klotz, Roger, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Charlie, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng, shepazu
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14:55:30 [John_Boyer]
http://code.google.com/p/ubiquity-xforms/
14:56:58 [Charlie]
* typing is loud
14:57:11 [klotz]
wasn't me
14:57:19 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is noisy?
14:57:30 [Zakim]
John_Boyer, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Charlie (18%), John_Boyer (12%)
14:57:39 [Charlie]
* not me!
14:57:58 [Steven]
might have been my keyboard; sorry if it was
14:58:34 [nick]
there is an info page
14:58:42 [unl]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2008_06
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14:58:56 [unl]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/formsftf200806/
14:59:09 [Charlie]
* you're a very enthusiastic typer, steven
14:59:13 [Steven]
if anybody feels inclined to insert relevant sentences into the irc channel, he would be obliged
14:59:14 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is noisy?
14:59:25 [klotz]
maybe muting steven on zakim will help since perhaps he is half-duplex
14:59:25 [Roger]
sounds like a horse race
14:59:26 [Zakim]
John_Boyer, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Charlie (13%), unl (58%), John_Boyer (50%), Steven (8%)
14:59:37 [Steven]
zakim, mute me
14:59:37 [Zakim]
Steven should now be muted
14:59:44 [unl]
i'm muted
14:59:56 [Steven]
is that better?
14:59:57 [unl]
zakim, mute me again
14:59:57 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'mute me again', unl
15:00:04 [unl]
zakim, mute me
15:00:04 [Zakim]
unl should now be muted
15:00:09 [unl]
no
15:00:16 [nick]
zakim, mute me
15:00:16 [Zakim]
Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:00:18 [klotz]
the correlation is weak, steven, so it will take another minute to tell
15:01:55 [Steven]
Biweekly or ?
15:02:02 [klotz]
biweekly or weekly
15:02:13 [Steven]
weekly would clash with HCG
15:02:20 [John_Boyer]
Either biweekly or every week, the latter of which would mean a different time than 10am eastern due to conflict with HCG time
15:04:47 [Steven]
I *promise* I will do some actions this week
15:05:01 [klotz]
http://xformstest.org/klotz/2008/05/ubiquity/test.xhtml
15:06:06 [nick]
ack, me
15:06:14 [nick]
ack me
15:06:27 [Steven]
Ubiquity test works in IE, not in Opera
15:07:43 [John_Boyer]
28<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0014.html> rnstarting target is IE+Firefox for June, Safari in August
15:07:53 [John_Boyer]
Would like opera, but need some open source help to get there
15:07:57 [klotz]
Ask howcome to fix it then.
15:08:05 [Steven]
ok
15:08:24 [John_Boyer]
good point, they should be IE compatible, right?
15:13:44 [wellsk]
yes
15:13:48 [nick]
yes
15:15:40 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html
15:16:30 [nick]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0019.html
15:22:17 [nick]
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3
15:24:28 [nick]
and accept-charset ?
15:25:38 [nick]
fine
15:27:16 [klotz]
ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3 and make proposal for accept providing default to xf:upload/@mediatype and make proposal for accept-charset for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html
15:27:17 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-460 - Van den Bleeken to read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3 and make proposal for accept providing default to xf:upload/@mediatype and make proposal for accept-charset for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-05-21].
15:31:37 [klotz]
http://xformstest.org/klotz/2008/05/submit.html has no submit
15:32:15 [nick]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Allow_submission_elements_without_model_element
15:45:49 [klotz]
http://microformats.org/wiki/rest/datatypes
15:47:17 [wellsk]
it works with ff
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15:53:39 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html
15:54:36 [nick]
or <model> <model id="S1" src=".../serviceDefinition1.xfmodel"/> <model id="S2" src=".../serviceDefinition2.xfmodel"/> </model>
15:55:31 [klotz]
protected public private static inner model
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16:02:07 [nick]
I meant <form> <model> <model id="S1" src=".../serviceDefinition1.xfmodel"/> <model id="S2" src=".../serviceDefinition2.xfmodel"/> </model> </form>
16:04:13 [unl_]
ack me
16:05:10 [nick]
I see a lot of extra work, but I could be wrong ...
16:06:20 [John_Boyer]
zakim, ack unl
16:06:20 [Zakim]
I see no one on the speaker queue
16:07:47 [John_Boyer]
Instead of nested models, solve cross-model communication, possibly by defining the interface in the model
16:10:04 [Zakim]
-Steven
16:14:05 [nick]
+1
16:15:40 [klotz]
RESOLUTION: Defer model/@src to XForms 2.0 and we solve the cross-model interface problem there too.
16:16:50 [Charlie]
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-wellsk
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-Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:16:56 [ebruchez]
be
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-unl
16:16:58 [ebruchez]
bye
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-Charlie
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-Leigh_Klotz
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-John_Boyer
16:17:04 [Zakim]
-Roger
16:17:17 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is here?
16:17:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ebruchez
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On IRC I see John_Boyer, nick, klotz, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, trackbot-ng, shepazu
16:17:29 [John_Boyer]
zakim, disconnect ebruchez
16:17:29 [Zakim]
ebruchez is being disconnected
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HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
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Attendees were Charlie, John_Boyer, +1.919.254.aaaa, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, +03491211aabb, Roger, ebruchez, Steven
16:17:40 [John_Boyer]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:17:46 [John_Boyer]
rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-actions.rdf :
16:17:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.3 and make proposal for accept providing default to xf:upload/@mediatype and make proposal for accept-charset for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0013.html [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-forms-irc#T15-27-16