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14:43:47 <nick> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:43:58 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has now started
14:43:59 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:44:05 <nick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0004.html
14:44:07 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
14:44:07 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
14:44:17 <Charlie> * hi nick, keith
14:44:21 <nick> Chair: Nick
14:44:24 <Charlie> * hi zakim
14:44:37 <nick> zakim, code
14:44:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', nick
14:44:43 <nick> zakim, code?
14:44:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
14:45:28 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:45:30 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:45:30 <Zakim> -wellsk
14:45:30 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:45:34 <Roger> Roger has joined #forms
14:46:21 <nick> Regrets so far: Steven, Erik, John, Leigh
14:46:26 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
14:46:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:46:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, wellsk, shepazu, nick, trackbot-ng
14:46:33 <Roger> + Uli
14:46:33 <nick> Regrets: Steven, Erik (possible), John, Leigh
14:46:54 <Roger> zakim, code?
14:46:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:47:26 <nick> zakim, who is here?
14:47:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:47:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Charlie, wellsk, shepazu, nick, trackbot-ng
14:48:27 <Zakim> +Roger
14:48:32 <Roger> Hi
14:49:11 <wellsk> I do not hear anything -- wondering if I am having trouble?
14:49:36 <Zakim> -wellsk
14:49:59 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0004.html
14:50:00 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:50:08 <nick> Scribe: Roger
14:50:21 <Charlie> keith, can you hear now?
14:50:28 <Zakim> -wellsk
14:50:32 <wellsk> nope
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14:51:27 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:51:46 <Rafael> Zakim, Roger has Rafael
14:51:46 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
14:51:58 <Zakim> -wellsk
14:52:33 <Roger> Topic:Action Items
14:53:08 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:53:21 <Roger> Topic:Submission Validation issue
14:53:23 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0118.html
14:54:13 <Zakim> -wellsk
14:54:20 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/att-0132/2008-04-30.html#topic9
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14:54:57 <Roger_> Nick: Do somebody want to add sth
14:55:28 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:55:48 <Roger> Charlie: Maybe we need more stuff but we are very close
14:56:53 <nick> Nick: Are there CSS specialists, or people who know how toe solve the styling issue
14:57:26 <Roger_> Nick: I will send a mail to the list
14:58:04 <Roger_> Nick: Reading the spec there were a problem with the event-handlers
15:00:03 <nick> Nick: We can add the current value that is invalid to the context info of the xforms-invalid event
15:00:52 <nick> Nick: We will postpone the discussion about CSS till a later call
15:01:24 <Roger_> Topic: Dinamyc dependencies
15:01:27 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0100.html
15:01:41 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/att-0104/2008-04-23.html#topic7
15:01:41 <Roger_> Nick: an email I sent
15:01:54 <Roger_> Nick: related an action item for me
15:02:16 <nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#expr-dependencies
15:05:05 <Roger_> Nick: in the spec the first b is the only dependent node
15:05:12 <Roger_> Nick: to be considered
15:06:01 <Roger_> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#expr-dependencies
15:07:43 <Roger_> Nick: my question was how many a or bs should be in the dependency list
15:08:06 <Roger_> Nick: according the spec only the first b should it be
15:14:16 <Roger_> Roger: In Madrid we didnŽt study this case
15:14:44 <Roger_> Nick: Probably we need to postpone, or maybe there is not better solution
15:14:57 <Roger_> Charlie: Maybe you can close the action Item
15:15:21 <Roger_> Charlie: You can arise a new action item
15:16:03 <Roger_> Nick: weŽd need some good candidate to study the dependency problem in detail
15:17:07 <Roger_> Nick: just leave in the agenda
15:17:23 <Roger_> Topic: Origin attribute 
15:17:24 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0127.html
15:17:34 <nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#insert-delete-patterns-set-attribute
15:18:02 <Roger_> Nick: I think the sample is wrong
15:18:16 <Roger_> Nick: weŽd need to change the sample
15:20:28 <wellsk> [me] +1
15:21:28 <Roger_> ACTION: John needs to fix the sample, adding a note
15:21:28 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:21:28 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:21:59 <nick> s/John needs to fix the sample/John needs to fix the insert sample B4/
15:22:53 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Apr/0003.html
15:22:58 <nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
15:24:45 <Roger_> Nick: we have to clarify the Mozilla implementation
15:25:22 <nick> Nick: value attribute is evaluated relative to the bind attribute on the setvalue
15:27:25 <Roger_> ACTION: Nick to respond the email 2008Apr/003 saying that is a future issue
15:27:25 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-459 - Respond the email 2008Apr/003 saying that is a future issue [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-05-14].
15:28:11 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0115.html
15:28:27 <Roger_> Topic: Form tag implied model
15:30:14 <Roger_> Charlie: Have we relaxed the rules for allowing the model?
15:30:43 <Roger_> Charlie: do we know the html requirements?
15:30:57 <nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-xforms.html#s_xformsmodule
15:31:13 <Roger_> Nick: ... m12n
15:33:05 <Roger_> Nick: I think I can live with one container issue
15:33:22 <Roger_> s/one/the one/
15:34:08 <Roger_> Nick: maybe we can add some module for this in xforms and not in the Core
15:34:58 <Roger_> Charlie: we should think in adding it in a separate module
15:36:01 <Roger_> Nick: John & MBibeck are strong supporters for the form tag
15:36:07 <wellsk> yes
15:36:17 <Roger_> +1
15:37:25 <Roger_> RESOLUTION: Add container element called "form" to xforms language
15:39:04 <Roger_> Topic:Implied submission
15:39:14 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0063.html
15:41:21 <Roger_> Nick: John proposed to use the action attr 
15:42:59 <Roger_> Nick: if you have an form with action and method we can create a default submission
15:43:46 <Roger_> Nick: .. we need a support for nested models
15:44:07 <Roger_> Nick: but nested models it could be a 2.O issue
15:44:21 <Roger_> Charlie: form tag is more a container tag
15:45:27 <Roger_> Nick: .. for instance if you decide to type a element it creates a bind 
15:46:20 <Roger_> Nick: the implied submission could point to the default model but if you have a model you couldnŽt refer to it
15:46:52 <Roger_> Nick: I will look out the stuff I wrote
15:47:07 <Roger_> Nick: ... we can discuss further on it
15:48:10 <Roger_> Charlie: Backplane is starting next Friday
15:50:11 <Charlie> Charlie has left #forms
15:50:33 <nick> actions?
15:50:41 <Zakim> -wellsk
15:50:43 <Roger_> Bye 
15:50:43 <Zakim> -Charlie
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15:50:50 <nick> zakim, bye
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15:50:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Charlie, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, wellsk, Rafael
15:50:55 <nick> rrsagent, make minutes
15:50:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-forms-minutes.html nick
15:51:56 <nick> rrsagent, bye
15:51:56 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-forms-actions.rdf :
15:51:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John needs to fix the sample, adding a note [1]
15:51:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-forms-irc#T15-21-28
15:51:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Nick to respond the email 2008Apr/003 saying that is a future issue [2]
15:51:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-forms-irc#T15-27-25