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15:52:13 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:52:30 <John_M_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:52:34 <John_M_Boyer> Chair: John
15:52:37 <John_M_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:52:43 <John_M_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0078.html
15:52:54 <John_M_Boyer> Regrets: None
15:53:15 <nic1> zakim, mute me
15:53:15 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:53:27 <nic1> starts the week after
15:53:34 <nic1> yes
15:53:44 <nic1> 2 weeks later I think
15:54:02 <nic1> March 30
15:54:14 <nic1> we have the call one hour earlier
15:54:41 <nic1> starting from Marh 11 
15:54:54 <nic1> sorry 12
15:55:01 <nic1> and then the next 3
15:55:10 <John_M_Boyer> US/Canada change time March 9, so calls on march 12, 19, 26 are one hour earlier in Europe
15:56:01 <nic1> looks good
15:56:03 <wellsk> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/January-February_2008_Newsletter
15:56:40 <Steven> Steven has joined #forms
15:56:55 <Steven> zakim, code?
15:56:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
15:59:34 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Feb/0002.html
16:01:08 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile
16:01:08 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:01:10 <Zakim> +Steven
16:01:22 <Steven> zakim, drop steven
16:01:22 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
16:01:23 <Zakim> -Steven
16:01:36 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to fix schema issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Feb/0002.html
16:01:36 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:01:36 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:01:41 <klotz> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to note check fix in prototype modularized Schema for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Feb/0002.html
16:01:41 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Mark
16:01:41 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mseaborn, mbirbeck)
16:02:22 <nic1> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Unified_evaluation_context
16:02:40 <nic1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0076.html
16:02:48 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
16:02:48 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
16:02:51 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile
16:02:51 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:02:52 <Zakim> +Steven
16:05:37 <Zakim> -Steven
16:05:59 <John_M_Boyer> bind nodeset="purchaseorder/items/item/lineTotal"
16:05:59 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile
16:05:59 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:06:01 <Zakim> +Steven
16:06:11 <John_M_Boyer> calculate context=".." value="quantity * price"
16:06:28 <John_M_Boyer> calculate= "../quantity * ../price"
16:08:21 <John_M_Boyer> input [readonly] name="result" calculate="a+b"
16:08:29 <John_M_Boyer> input name="a"
16:08:33 <John_M_Boyer> input name="b"
16:09:42 <John_M_Boyer> calculate="../a + ../b" conversion is hard because you have to parse XPath expression
16:11:19 <nic1> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level
16:13:53 <Steven> zakim, mute me
16:13:53 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
16:17:21 <Zakim> -Steven
16:18:09 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0022.html
16:19:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile
16:19:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:19:14 <Zakim> +Steven
16:19:40 <Steven> zakim, mute me
16:19:40 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
16:21:15 <John_M_Boyer> <bind nodeset="X"> <constraint operator="and" value="expr"/>
16:21:18 <John_M_Boyer> ...
16:21:35 <John_M_Boyer> <bind nodeset="X"> <constraint value="expr"/> (default is and)
16:22:44 <nic1> <bin nodeset="//*[@type='b']" constriant=".."/>
16:22:44 <nic1> <bin nodeset="//*[@class='c']" constriant=".."/>
16:23:26 <nic1> these can have nodes in common 
16:26:41 <John_M_Boyer> <bind nodeset="X" constraint=". > 10"/>
16:26:56 <John_M_Boyer> <bind nodeset="X" constraint=". &lt; 100"/>
16:29:06 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:29:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:29:43 <Zakim> +??P30
16:29:45 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
16:29:45 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
16:39:52 <Charlie> agree with Leigh...worried about creating a new expression language in angle brackets
16:40:38 <Charlie> can get ugly quickly
16:41:41 <Steven> +1 to that
16:41:52 <unl> i'm worried too. they will laugh at us
16:42:11 <nic1> I only needed and in the past ;)
16:43:46 <nic1> so lets only combine them with and, that will solve all my past use cases... no really maybe we need to check what the use cases are for needing us to create our own expression language
16:44:20 <Charlie> sounds like it's going in the right direction...keep it simple
16:45:28 <unl> we should use the same logical operations for combining mips which are already used in inheritance rules
16:49:01 <John_M_Boyer> constraint="A or B"
16:49:30 <John_M_Boyer> valid="A or B"
16:49:43 <John_M_Boyer> invalid="not(A)"
16:49:51 <John_M_Boyer> invalid="not(B)"
16:50:45 <John_M_Boyer> valid="A" operator="or"
16:50:53 <John_M_Boyer> valid"B" operator="or"
16:51:46 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0022.html
16:52:01 <nic1> <bind nodeset="//*[@type='b']" constriant=".."/>
16:52:02 <nic1> <bind nodeset="//*[@class='c']" constriant=".."/>
16:52:10 <John_M_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Unified_evaluation_context
16:52:11 <nic1> these can have nodes in common 
16:52:52 <nic1> with .. an arbitrary xpath expression (not just parent)
16:54:56 <nic1> read-only/read-write  valid/invalid
16:58:08 <nic1> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level
17:01:16 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0063.html
17:02:35 <klotz> ref='.[x=y]'
17:11:36 <Charlie> +1 for example-driven approach
17:11:51 <Steven> +1
17:12:28 <markbirbeck> <input name="first-name" />
17:12:31 <Charlie> otherwise it's hard to follow the details
17:12:36 <markbirbeck> <input name="surname" />
17:12:40 <markbirbeck> <output name="full-name" value="concat($first-name, ' ', $surname)"  />
17:13:06 <markbirbeck> This is what we discussed before, but the difference now is that "full-name" could also be referred to in the same way.
17:13:14 <markbirbeck> (Possibly...... :))
17:13:17 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer and Mark Birbeck to put together simplified syntax straw proposal for purchase order example to make sure we have repetition capability and non-trivial calculation.
17:13:17 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
17:13:17 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
17:13:32 <Charlie> admin items?
17:13:51 <nic1>  Input Mode Issues http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0074.html
17:14:02 <Steven> ack me
17:14:52 <nic1> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms-11-req/
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17:18:16 <Roger> bye
17:18:17 <nic1> bey 
17:18:17 <jturner> bye
17:18:20 <Zakim> -Charlie
17:18:20 <Schnitz> bye
17:18:21 <Zakim> -wellsk
17:18:22 <Zakim> -unl
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17:18:33 <Zakim> -Susan_Borgrink
17:18:35 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
17:18:36 <Zakim> -Schnitz
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17:18:40 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:18:42 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
17:18:44 <Zakim> Attendees were wellsk, Charlie, unl, +0049308322aaaa, jturner, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Susan_Borgrink, ebruchez, Andrew, Leigh_Klotz, Rafael, Schnitz, Steven, markbirbeck
17:18:58 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:18:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-forms-minutes.html John_M_Boyer
17:19:04 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:19:04 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-forms-actions.rdf :
17:19:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to fix schema issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Feb/0002.html [1]
17:19:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-forms-irc#T16-01-36
17:19:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to note check fix in prototype modularized Schema for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Feb/0002.html [2]
17:19:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-forms-irc#T16-01-41
17:19:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer and Mark Birbeck to put together simplified syntax straw proposal for purchase order example to make sure we have repetition capability and non-trivial calculation. [3]
17:19:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-forms-irc#T17-13-17