00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: bijan, Achille, Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu, baojie, MarkusK, msmith, Zhe, uli, JeffP, Michael Schneider, bcuencagrau, dlm
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Rinke Hoekstra
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: Sandro Hawke
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17:48:04 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
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17:56:54 <Achille> Zakim, + +1.914.421.aaaa is me
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17:56:54 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.914.421.aaaa is me', Achille
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17:57:17 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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17:57:19 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Achille
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17:57:26 <Zakim> +??P7
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18:00:19 <pfps> Scribe pfps
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18:00:35 <clu> zakim, aabb is me
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18:00:41 <clu> zakim, mute me
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18:00:43 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie
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18:01:13 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps
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18:01:15 <sandro> Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is.
Sandro Hawke: Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is. ←
18:01:23 <Zakim> +??P7
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18:01:26 <pfps> RRSAgent, make records public
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18:01:35 <sandro> she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD.
Sandro Hawke: she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD. ←
18:01:36 <pfps> Zakim, this will be owlwg
Zakim, this will be owlwg ←
18:01:36 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start now
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18:03:18 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:03:18 <Zakim> I notice SW_OWL()1:00PM has restarted
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18:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd ←
18:03:41 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee
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18:03:52 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me ←
18:03:52 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
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18:03:58 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:04:01 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
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18:04:07 <pfps> topic: agenda amendments
18:04:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December) ←
18:04:22 <pfps> pfps: the minutes looked OK to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: the minutes looked OK to me ←
18:04:39 <sandro> RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December)
Sandro Hawke: RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December) ←
18:04:46 <pfps> topic: Action Item Status
18:04:53 <Zakim> +??P11
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18:04:59 <uli> zakim, ??P11 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
18:05:11 <sandro> action-251?
18:05:00 <bmotik> That has been done
Boris Motik: That has been done ←
18:05:04 <sandro> action-251 done
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251 done ←
18:05:03 <Zakim> +uli; got it
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18:05:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
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18:05:11 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
18:05:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/251
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18:05:30 <uli> zkim, mute me
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18:05:33 <pfps> pfps: I think that that one was done quite some time ago
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that that one was done quite some time ago ←
18:05:35 <uli> zakim, mute me
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18:05:35 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
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18:05:43 <sandro> action-251 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-251 closed ←
18:05:43 <trackbot> ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed ←
18:05:45 <pfps> sandro: any feedback needed
Sandro Hawke: any feedback needed ←
18:05:48 <pfps> boris: nope
Boris Motik: nope ←
18:05:50 <Zakim> + +0122427aaff
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18:05:11 <sandro> action-254?
18:05:54 <sandro> action-254 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-254 closed ←
18:05:54 <trackbot> ACTION-254 Create missing grammars in the documents closed
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18:05:57 <JeffP> zakim, aaff is me
18:05:57 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
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18:05:11 <sandro> action-256?
18:06:06 <sandro> action-256 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-256 closed ←
18:06:06 <trackbot> ACTION-256 Set up telecon time poll for rif/owl joint coordination one-time meeting closed
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18:06:09 <Zakim> +??P14
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18:06:19 <schneid> zakim, ??P14 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
18:06:19 <Zakim> +schneid; got it
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18:06:22 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:06:22 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
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18:06:23 <bijan> Do we need to discuss it?
Bijan Parsia: Do we need to discuss it? ←
18:06:52 <pfps> pfps: RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda
Peter Patel-Schneider: RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda ←
18:07:12 <sandro> action-257?
18:06:56 <sandro> action-257 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-257 closed ←
18:06:56 <trackbot> ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed ←
18:07:12 <sandro> action-252?
18:07:12 <trackbot> ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN ←
18:07:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252 ←
18:07:32 <pfps> pfps: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us ←
18:07:41 <pfps> sandro: Any particular deadline
Sandro Hawke: Any particular deadline ←
18:07:56 <pfps> pfps: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call
Peter Patel-Schneider: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call ←
18:07:56 <sandro> action-250?
18:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN ←
18:07:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250 ←
18:08:17 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity ←
18:08:36 <pfps> Topic: announcing last call
18:08:43 <pfps> sandro: some work has been done
Sandro Hawke: some work has been done ←
18:08:53 <bijan> http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/
Bijan Parsia: http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/ ←
18:08:57 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:08:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted) ←
18:08:59 <pfps> sandro: do some announcement (and add to wiki page)
Sandro Hawke: do some announcement (and add to wiki page) ←
18:09:26 <pfps> sandro: going around the "room"
Sandro Hawke: going around the "room" ←
18:09:30 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me
18:09:30 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should no longer be muted ←
18:09:32 <pfps> sandro: bijan?
Sandro Hawke: bijan? ←
18:09:34 <bijan> I'm harrasing people
Bijan Parsia: I'm harrasing people ←
18:09:36 <uli> I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them
Uli Sattler: I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them ←
18:09:44 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
18:09:45 <MarkusK_> I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org
Markus Krötzsch: I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org ←
18:09:47 <pfps> sandro: achille?
Sandro Hawke: achille? ←
18:09:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P15 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P15 is me ←
18:09:48 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
18:09:54 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
18:09:54 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
18:09:57 <pfps> pfps: same as uli
Peter Patel-Schneider: same as uli ←
18:10:00 <Achille> i prefer typing
Achille Fokoue: i prefer typing ←
18:10:08 <Achille> my baby is unhappy
Achille Fokoue: my baby is unhappy ←
18:10:15 <MarkusK_> s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/
Markus Krötzsch: s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/ ←
18:10:19 <bijan> HCLS list?
Bijan Parsia: HCLS list? ←
18:10:28 <bijan> Yes :(
Bijan Parsia: Yes :( ←
18:10:30 <pfps> sandro: I owe a blog post about this
Sandro Hawke: I owe a blog post about this ←
18:10:38 <Achille> I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists
Achille Fokoue: I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists ←
18:10:46 <pfps> sandro: bijan - please put up on HCLS
Sandro Hawke: bijan - please put up on HCLS ←
18:11:05 <bijan> Oh, we'll be doing internal review here
Bijan Parsia: Oh, we'll be doing internal review here ←
18:11:06 <pfps> pfps: same as uli - my suspects have been handled
Peter Patel-Schneider: same as uli - my suspects have been handled ←
18:11:07 <Achille> and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week
Achille Fokoue: and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week ←
18:11:22 <bijan> I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully
Bijan Parsia: I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully ←
18:11:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:11:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:11:28 <pfps> sandro: please publicize
Sandro Hawke: please publicize ←
18:11:29 <Zhe> I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list
Zhe Wu: I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list ←
18:11:38 <pfps> topic: F2F5
18:11:56 <pfps> sandro: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian)
Sandro Hawke: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian) ←
18:12:09 <pfps> sandro: does anyone want to answer the poll?
Sandro Hawke: does anyone want to answer the poll? ←
18:12:16 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results ←
18:12:52 <pfps> sandro: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4
Sandro Hawke: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4 ←
18:13:00 <pfps> sandro: probably chairs will decide
Sandro Hawke: probably chairs will decide ←
18:13:05 <pfps> topic: LC comments
18:13:11 <pfps> sandro: none yet
Sandro Hawke: none yet ←
18:13:21 <pfps> sandro: Ian has a page for coordination
Sandro Hawke: Ian has a page for coordination ←
18:13:43 <pfps> sandro: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page
Sandro Hawke: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page ←
18:13:48 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:13:48 <pfps> topic: test cases
18:13:54 <MarkusK_> q+
Markus Krötzsch: q+ ←
18:14:04 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue
Mike Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue ←
18:14:18 <pfps> msmith: there are some test cases in proper format
Mike Smith: there are some test cases in proper format ←
18:14:41 <pfps> msmith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent
Mike Smith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent ←
18:14:50 <pfps> msmith: could be approved next week
Mike Smith: could be approved next week ←
18:15:01 <MarkusK_> q+ to report on test case licensing issues
Markus Krötzsch: q+ to report on test case licensing issues ←
18:15:14 <pfps> msmith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included
Mike Smith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included ←
18:15:29 <pfps> sandro: plan for gathering test results where others drive?
Sandro Hawke: plan for gathering test results where others drive? ←
18:15:41 <pfps> msmith: still needs to be ironed out
Mike Smith: still needs to be ironed out ←
18:16:00 <pfps> msmith: oracle has some suggestions
Mike Smith: oracle has some suggestions ←
18:16:16 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aagg ←
18:16:27 <sandro> ack MarkusK_
Sandro Hawke: ack MarkusK_ ←
18:16:27 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues
Zakim IRC Bot: MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues ←
18:16:31 <pfps> sandro: Webont had a way of incorporating external results
Sandro Hawke: Webont had a way of incorporating external results ←
18:16:35 <sandro> ack msmith
Sandro Hawke: ack msmith ←
18:17:24 <pfps> markus: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff
Markus Krötzsch: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff ←
18:17:36 <pfps> sandro: location of test repository?
Sandro Hawke: location of test repository? ←
18:17:53 <pfps> markus: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space)
Markus Krötzsch: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space) ←
18:18:03 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test ←
18:18:14 <pfps> sandro: what about the above spot?
Sandro Hawke: what about the above spot? ←
18:18:20 <pfps> markus: looks OK
Markus Krötzsch: looks OK ←
18:18:41 <msmith> sounds good
Mike Smith: sounds good ←
18:18:42 <pfps> sandro: we can use CVS for upload
Sandro Hawke: we can use CVS for upload ←
18:18:49 <bijan> What's the license on the suite?
Bijan Parsia: What's the license on the suite? ←
18:18:57 <bijan> Can one create derived works?
Bijan Parsia: Can one create derived works? ←
18:19:19 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/ ←
18:19:31 <MarkusK_> q+ to answer bijan
Markus Krötzsch: q+ to answer bijan ←
18:19:32 <pfps> sandro: documentation at above link
Sandro Hawke: documentation at above link ←
18:19:51 <pfps> sandro: I need an SSH public key to set up access
Sandro Hawke: I need an SSH public key to set up access ←
18:19:56 <msmith> yes, I will email you an ssh key
Mike Smith: yes, I will email you an ssh key ←
18:20:08 <pfps> sandro: Markus and Mike to send PK
Sandro Hawke: Markus and Mike to send PK ←
18:20:10 <sandro> ack MarkusK_
Sandro Hawke: ack MarkusK_ ←
18:20:10 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan ←
18:20:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:20:29 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:20:31 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:20:40 <pfps> markus: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license
Markus Krötzsch: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license ←
18:20:52 <MarkusK_> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html
Markus Krötzsch: http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html ←
18:21:02 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:21:04 <pfps> markus: W3C will control entire test suite
Markus Krötzsch: W3C will control entire test suite ←
18:21:22 <pfps> bijan: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable
Bijan Parsia: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable ←
18:21:32 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:21:32 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:21:32 <MarkusK_> My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights
Markus Krötzsch: My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights ←
18:21:41 <pfps> bijan: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes
Bijan Parsia: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes ←
18:22:23 <bijan> a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License.
Bijan Parsia: a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License. ←
18:22:23 <bijan> a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License.
Bijan Parsia: a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License. ←
18:21:54 <pfps> topic: Plans for non-LC documents
18:22:26 <pfps> sandro: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs
Sandro Hawke: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs ←
18:22:35 <pfps> sandro: status checks
Sandro Hawke: status checks ←
18:22:42 <pfps> sandro: QRG?
Sandro Hawke: QRG? ←
18:23:06 <pfps> dlm: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done
Deborah McGuinness: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done ←
18:23:08 <baojie> To do list:
18:23:08 <baojie> * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax
Jie Bao: * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax ←
18:23:08 <baojie> * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready
Jie Bao: * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready ←
18:23:08 <baojie> * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready
Jie Bao: * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready ←
18:23:08 <baojie> * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale
Jie Bao: * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale ←
18:23:09 <baojie> * Make a new 2-page print version.
Jie Bao: * Make a new 2-page print version. ←
18:23:11 <baojie> * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version.
Jie Bao: * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version. ←
18:23:20 <pfps> dlm: need tags in other documents
Deborah McGuinness: need tags in other documents ←
18:23:28 <pfps> sandro: go ahead and add tags
Sandro Hawke: go ahead and add tags ←
18:23:37 <bijan> We might derive tags from heading
Bijan Parsia: We might derive tags from heading ←
18:23:39 <pfps> pfps: need to make *sure* no duplicates!
Peter Patel-Schneider: need to make *sure* no duplicates! ←
18:23:42 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:23:52 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:23:52 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:23:54 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:24:03 <pfps> pfps: can use W3C tools to check for dups
Peter Patel-Schneider: can use W3C tools to check for dups ←
18:24:14 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:24:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted), ←
18:24:17 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg ←
18:24:23 <pfps> bijan: can this be done automatically?
Bijan Parsia: can this be done automatically? ←
18:24:46 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:24:51 <pfps> baojie: most links are there at least in Syntax and Primer(?)
Jie Bao: most links are there at least in Syntax and Primer(?) ←
18:24:58 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:24:58 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:24:58 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
18:25:01 <pfps> baojie: Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics need more tags
Jie Bao: Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics need more tags ←
18:25:36 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:25:36 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:25:38 <pfps> bmotik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations)
Boris Motik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations) ←
18:25:43 <sandro> bmotik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG
Boris Motik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:26:01 <pfps> baojie: which?
18:26:07 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:26:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:26:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:26:28 <pfps> baojie: will check and change as necessary
Jie Bao: will check and change as necessary ←
18:26:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie ←
18:26:55 <sandro> action: jie update QRG for annotation assertions
ACTION: jie update QRG for annotation assertions ←
18:26:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17]. ←
18:27:09 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:27:36 <pfps> baojie: guide for profiles?
Jie Bao: guide for profiles? ←
18:27:56 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:27:56 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:27:56 <sandro> ack baojie
Sandro Hawke: ack baojie ←
18:28:22 <bijan> I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage
Bijan Parsia: I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage ←
18:28:14 <pfps> bmotik: what about reviewing?
Boris Motik: what about reviewing? ←
18:28:27 <pfps> sandro: QRG was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication
Sandro Hawke: QRG was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication ←
18:28:37 <pfps> bmotik: I'll review for next publication
Boris Motik: I'll review for next publication ←
18:28:48 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:28:48 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:29:07 <pfps> ACTION: motik review next version of QRG
ACTION: motik review next version of QRG ←
18:29:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17]. ←
18:29:34 <pfps> sandro: next publication date for QRG
Sandro Hawke: next publication date for QRG ←
18:29:39 <bmotik> My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately).
Boris Motik: My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately). ←
18:29:44 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:29:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:29:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:29:53 <pfps> sandro: probably wait until end of LC
Sandro Hawke: probably wait until end of LC ←
18:30:23 <pfps> pfps: I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item)
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item) ←
18:30:23 <bmotik> We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action
Boris Motik: We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action ←
18:30:33 <pfps> pfps: OK that works
Peter Patel-Schneider: OK that works ←
18:31:17 <pfps> bijan: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free"
Bijan Parsia: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free" ←
18:31:25 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:31:44 <pfps> bijan: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009
Bijan Parsia: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009 ←
18:32:00 <pfps> bijan: a WD publication in Jan would be fine
Bijan Parsia: a WD publication in Jan would be fine ←
18:32:23 <pfps> sandro: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button"
Sandro Hawke: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button" ←
18:32:50 <pfps> dlm: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages
Deborah McGuinness: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages ←
18:33:05 <pfps> bijan: why? I have CSS for the compact layout
Bijan Parsia: why? I have CSS for the compact layout ←
18:33:09 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:33:31 <pfps> dlm: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline
Deborah McGuinness: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline ←
18:33:40 <pfps> bijan: we can really make it work
Bijan Parsia: we can really make it work ←
18:33:55 <pfps> baojie: current document is longer so care is needed
Jie Bao: current document is longer so care is needed ←
18:34:20 <pfps> bijan: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS
Bijan Parsia: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS ←
18:34:33 <pfps> sandro: may require some "polishing"
Sandro Hawke: may require some "polishing" ←
18:34:49 <pfps> sandro: new features and rationale
Sandro Hawke: new features and rationale ←
18:34:54 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:34:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted), ←
18:34:57 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg ←
18:35:00 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:35:06 <pfps> sandro: Christine has had a power failure so she can't be here
Sandro Hawke: Christine has had a power failure so she can't be here ←
18:35:08 <bmotik> I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me"
Boris Motik: I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me" ←
18:35:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:35:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:35:15 <sandro> zakim, aagg is dlm
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aagg is dlm ←
18:35:16 <Zakim> +dlm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dlm; got it ←
18:35:45 <pfps> bijan: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback
Bijan Parsia: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback ←
18:35:57 <pfps> bijan: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed
Bijan Parsia: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed ←
18:36:08 <pfps> bijan: we should schedule some time for discussion
Bijan Parsia: we should schedule some time for discussion ←
18:36:24 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
18:36:24 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 ←
18:36:29 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:36:29 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:36:47 <sandro> action: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24
ACTION: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 ←
18:36:47 <pfps> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
18:36:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17]. ←
18:36:59 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%) ←
18:37:06 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:37:06 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:37:40 <sandro> bijan: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break
Bijan Parsia: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:37:42 <pfps> bijan: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan
Bijan Parsia: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan ←
18:38:40 <pfps> sandro: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff
Sandro Hawke: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff ←
18:38:45 <pfps> bijan: arguments either way
Bijan Parsia: arguments either way ←
18:39:03 <pfps> sandro: primer alone may entice attention and reviews
Sandro Hawke: primer alone may entice attention and reviews ←
18:39:30 <pfps> bijan: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC
Bijan Parsia: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC ←
18:39:36 <pfps> sandro: yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
18:39:41 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:39:41 <pfps> bijan: I'll give it a shot
Bijan Parsia: I'll give it a shot ←
18:39:48 <pfps> ack bijan
ack bijan ←
18:40:15 <pfps> sandro: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers?
Sandro Hawke: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers? ←
18:40:24 <uli> i would
Uli Sattler: i would ←
18:40:26 <bmotik> I can do a review of the Primer.
Boris Motik: I can do a review of the Primer. ←
18:40:36 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:40:38 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:40:38 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:40:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:40:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:40:41 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
18:41:10 <uli> good point, Boris
Uli Sattler: good point, Boris ←
18:41:21 <pfps> bmotik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12
Boris Motik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12 ←
18:41:40 <uli> me too
Uli Sattler: me too ←
18:41:52 <pfps> sandro: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then
Sandro Hawke: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then ←
18:41:53 <uli> difficult for me
Uli Sattler: difficult for me ←
18:42:01 <pfps> bmotik: review before then would be acceptable
Boris Motik: review before then would be acceptable ←
18:42:11 <uli> before christmas :(
Uli Sattler: before christmas :( ←
18:42:21 <pfps> sandro: when does the primer need to be done?
Sandro Hawke: when does the primer need to be done? ←
18:42:26 <uli> oi
Uli Sattler: oi ←
18:42:30 <pfps> bmotik: by 1 Jan
Boris Motik: by 1 Jan ←
18:42:35 <bijan> Sure
Bijan Parsia: Sure ←
18:42:40 <pfps> sandro: bijan - does that work?
Sandro Hawke: bijan - does that work? ←
18:42:42 <bijan> And I'll am for before xmas for uli
Bijan Parsia: And I'll am for before xmas for uli ←
18:42:45 <bijan> aim
Bijan Parsia: aim ←
18:42:45 <pfps> bijan: sure
Bijan Parsia: sure ←
18:42:54 <sandro> proposed schedule: bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7.
Sandro Hawke: proposed schedule: bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7. ←
18:43:01 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:43:07 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:43:07 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:44:00 <pfps> uli: I will be moving so I can't promise a review
Uli Sattler: I will be moving so I can't promise a review ←
18:44:11 <sandro> Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8.
Sandro Hawke: Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8. ←
18:44:16 <pfps> uli: by jan 7 (8th is OK)
Uli Sattler: by jan 7 (8th is OK) ←
18:44:27 <bijan> Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge
Bijan Parsia: Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge ←
18:44:39 <uli> yes
Uli Sattler: yes ←
18:44:39 <bijan> Dunno
Bijan Parsia: Dunno ←
18:44:47 <pfps> pfps: Matthew is not in the WG
Peter Patel-Schneider: Matthew is not in the WG ←
18:44:48 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:44:48 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:44:48 <bijan> He's author of a document
Bijan Parsia: He's author of a document ←
18:44:55 <bijan> We canmake hima member pretty easily
Bijan Parsia: We canmake hima member pretty easily ←
18:45:17 <uli> ok
Uli Sattler: ok ←
18:45:18 <bijan> Or he can fake uli's email :)
Bijan Parsia: Or he can fake uli's email :) ←
18:45:37 <uli> me neither
Uli Sattler: me neither ←
18:45:40 <pfps> sandro: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th)
Sandro Hawke: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th) ←
18:46:02 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:46:09 <pfps> sandro: repairs section?
Sandro Hawke: repairs section? ←
18:46:10 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:46:11 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:46:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:46:34 <pfps> bijan: this was to add a section to primer on repairs
Bijan Parsia: this was to add a section to primer on repairs ←
18:46:40 <bmotik> +1 to bijan
Boris Motik: +1 to bijan ←
18:46:45 <pfps> bijan: I don't find this suitable for the primer
Bijan Parsia: I don't find this suitable for the primer ←
18:47:08 <pfps> bijan: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere
Bijan Parsia: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere ←
18:47:25 <pfps> bijan: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything
Bijan Parsia: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything ←
18:47:30 <pfps> bmotik: agree
Boris Motik: agree ←
18:47:46 <pfps> sandro: no one has argued for this
Sandro Hawke: no one has argued for this ←
18:47:48 <sandro> no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer
Sandro Hawke: no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer ←
18:47:54 <sandro> (here, today.)
Sandro Hawke: (here, today.) ←
18:47:59 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items ←
18:48:08 <pfps> bmotik: Alan was pushing this
Boris Motik: Alan was pushing this ←
18:48:11 <bijan> Noep
Bijan Parsia: Noep ←
18:48:23 <pfps> sandro: Manchester syntax?
Sandro Hawke: Manchester syntax? ←
18:49:00 <sandro> pfps: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get
Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:49:04 <pfps> pfps: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents ←
18:49:16 <pfps> sandro: datarange extension
Sandro Hawke: datarange extension ←
18:49:16 <bijan> Same schedule as before
Bijan Parsia: Same schedule as before ←
18:49:21 <bijan> We plan for something by jan
Bijan Parsia: We plan for something by jan ←
18:49:22 <bijan> uyes
Bijan Parsia: uyes ←
18:49:34 <bijan> Yes please
Bijan Parsia: Yes please ←
18:49:36 <pfps> sandro: publication timing?
Sandro Hawke: publication timing? ←
18:49:47 <pfps> bijan: wait for next chunk of publications
Bijan Parsia: wait for next chunk of publications ←
18:49:48 <sandro> publication -- same time as next big round
Sandro Hawke: publication -- same time as next big round ←
18:50:12 <pfps> sandro: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion
Sandro Hawke: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion ←
18:50:24 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:24 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:51:00 <baojie> +baojie
18:51:12 <pfps> bijan: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status
Bijan Parsia: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status ←
18:51:29 <sandro> ack baojie
Sandro Hawke: ack baojie ←
18:52:12 <pfps> baojie: QRG, Primer, and NFR should be rec track
Jie Bao: QRG, Primer, and NFR should be rec track ←
18:52:25 <sandro> ack dlm
Sandro Hawke: ack dlm ←
18:52:27 <pfps> sandro: let's only take note arguments
Sandro Hawke: let's only take note arguments ←
18:52:29 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:52:34 <sandro> ack dlm
Sandro Hawke: ack dlm ←
18:52:44 <sandro> ack dlm
Sandro Hawke: ack dlm ←
18:52:46 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:52:47 <sandro> ack dlmcg
Sandro Hawke: ack dlmcg ←
18:52:50 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
18:52:58 <pfps> pfps: I agree with Bijan
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Bijan ←
18:53:07 <sandro> pfps: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:53:06 <Achille> +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan
Achille Fokoue: +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan ←
18:53:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:53:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
18:53:15 <sandro> ack schneid
Sandro Hawke: ack schneid ←
18:53:19 <uli> just to ensure that we don't agree too soon
Uli Sattler: just to ensure that we don't agree too soon ←
18:53:29 <sandro> schneid: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track.
Michael Schneider: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:53:36 <pfps> schneid: prefer rec track, but only slightly
Michael Schneider: prefer rec track, but only slightly ←
18:53:46 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:53:46 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:53:52 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:54:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track
PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track ←
18:54:14 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:54:18 <sandro> ack uli
Sandro Hawke: ack uli ←
18:54:20 <pfps> q-
q- ←
18:54:22 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:54:22 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:54:22 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
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18:55:20 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:55:20 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
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18:55:39 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:56:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:56:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:56:39 <pfps> bijan: happy with just these three tied together
Bijan Parsia: happy with just these three tied together ←
18:56:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.
PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. ←
18:56:47 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:56:58 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
18:56:59 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:57:02 <pfps> pfps: 0
18:57:05 <msmith> 0
Mike Smith: 0 ←
18:57:06 <Zhe> 0
18:57:06 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:57:07 <JeffP> 0
18:57:07 <bijan> +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already!
Bijan Parsia: +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already! ←
18:57:07 <baojie> +1
18:57:10 <dlm> +1
Deborah McGuinness: +1 ←
18:57:10 <MarkusK_> 0
Markus Krötzsch: 0 ←
18:57:18 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:57:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point.
RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. ←
18:57:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:57:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:58:02 <pfps> bijan: Manchester Syntax for next week
Bijan Parsia: Manchester Syntax for next week ←
18:58:08 <pfps> topic: RIF coordination
18:58:10 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:58:21 <pfps> sandro: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT)
Sandro Hawke: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT) ←
18:58:26 <pfps> pfps: I'll be there
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll be there ←
18:58:40 <pfps> sandro: agenda was sent out
Sandro Hawke: agenda was sent out ←
18:58:58 <pfps> bijan: need to worry about timing
Bijan Parsia: need to worry about timing ←
18:59:12 <pfps> sandro: acknowledged
Sandro Hawke: acknowledged ←
18:59:15 <JeffP> q+
18:59:28 <pfps> sandro: coordination a while ago would have been better
Sandro Hawke: coordination a while ago would have been better ←
18:59:54 <pfps> bijan: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes
Bijan Parsia: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes ←
19:00:10 <pfps> bijan: I'll send out email
Bijan Parsia: I'll send out email ←
19:00:12 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
19:00:14 <pfps> q-
q- ←
19:00:18 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
19:00:18 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
19:00:20 <sandro> ack JeffP
Sandro Hawke: ack JeffP ←
19:00:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:00:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:00:46 <pfps> jeff: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination
Jeff Pan: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination ←
19:01:26 <pfps> sandro: scope had several influences
Sandro Hawke: scope had several influences ←
19:01:42 <bijan> Is rif planning a LC comment?
Bijan Parsia: Is rif planning a LC comment? ←
19:01:52 <pfps> sandro: RIF folks may have had larger concerns
Sandro Hawke: RIF folks may have had larger concerns ←
19:02:20 <pfps> sandro: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance
Sandro Hawke: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance ←
19:02:20 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
19:02:43 <pfps> topic: Features "at-risk"
19:03:17 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
19:03:28 <pfps> pfps: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them.
Peter Patel-Schneider: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them. ←
19:03:31 <bmotik> No more issues, please!
Boris Motik: No more issues, please! ←
19:03:45 <pfps> sandro: any comments?
Sandro Hawke: any comments? ←
19:03:54 <pfps> topic: any other business
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Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bijan, +1.914.421.aaaa, Achille, Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +0494212186aabb, +1.518.276.aacc, clu, baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd, msmith, Zhe, uli, ←
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19:06:57 <Zakim> Attendees were
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