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15:56:47 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:56:58 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0017.html
15:57:03 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:57:06 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:57:13 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
15:57:25 <John_Boyer> Regrets: MarkB, Charlie, Steven
15:57:36 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0017.html
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15:59:58 <wellsk> zakim, who is on?
15:59:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, wellsk.
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16:00:09 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
16:00:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, [IBM]
16:00:09 <Roger> zakim, code?
16:00:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, unl, Roger, jturner, wellsk, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
16:00:21 <wellsk> zakim, [IBM] is wellsk
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16:01:59 <unl> hey nick, how do you know?
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16:05:12 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0017.html
16:05:27 <Nick> John, you are all static
16:10:28 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0015.html
16:10:35 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html
16:10:52 <John_Boyer> Topic: Access Control WD Review
16:11:10 <John_Boyer> 28<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0015.html>
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16:11:37 <Nick> klotz: It will affect us, it solves security problems with GET, PUT
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16:12:35 <Nick> klotz: Lets you configure what resources can be reached from this resource, using HTTP headers and PI's
16:13:24 <Nick> klotz: It looks a bit weak, and will not enable mashups, because these others URI's need to specify what is allowed
16:13:40 <Nick> klotz: We could ask if they use XForms as a test case
16:14:13 <Nick> klotz: I want some input from implementers, bcz I'm not a real expert on this
16:14:38 <Nick> klotz: They are moving forward fast, so the time to respond is limited
16:16:15 <Nick> klotz: the problem is that the client checks the security, no tickets, tokens, so it is weak
16:16:37 <Nick> john: how can they increase their security
16:17:03 <Nick> klotz: I don't want to comment on this, it seems that this is what they want to solve
16:18:06 <Nick> klotz: XForms implementations should check if they could implement it and give feedback
16:18:19 <Zakim> -Raman
16:18:22 <Nick> klotz: explains how it works
16:19:43 <Nick> klotz: before a POST you do a get to check security 
16:21:03 <Nick> john: what if the server doesn't implement the GET
16:21:15 <Nick> klotz: then you can not access this resource
16:21:49 <Nick> john: do they only check if you try to cross a domain boundary
16:21:58 <Nick> klotz: yes indeed
16:24:07 <Nick> John: If we implement it we should do a GET before a POST
16:24:52 <Nick> John: So we need to consider it in a future version in the submission model
16:25:49 <Nick> klotz: we need ensure that if it is done, we can incorporate it
16:27:15 <Nick> John: Do you want to post your e-mail
16:27:30 <Nick> klotz: I want an implementer to look at it
16:28:01 <Nick> klotz: I think MarkB or Aaron should look at it
16:28:31 <Nick> John: We could ask Aaron to join a future call
16:29:05 <Nick> klotz: I will send a response and say that we are working on it
16:29:23 <Nick> john: Would you cross post it to www-forms
16:29:50 <Nick> klotz: What I have small points not appropriate for ww-forms
16:31:42 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0008.html
16:31:48 <John_Boyer> Topic: Future Features
16:32:33 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to post updated message on access-control to comments list, and indicate that we continue to study the isssue. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html
16:32:33 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-436 - Klotz to post updated message on access-control to comments list, and indicate that we continue to study the isssue. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-12-19].
16:33:07 <klotz> Thanks, Nick.
16:34:05 <Nick> zakim, unmute me
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16:36:34 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms-11-req/
17:01:37 <jturner> schnitz here, belated regrets, and happy X-mas
17:02:50 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We add something like "simplify and provide use cases for UI events and model events" on the list of five things for XForms 1.1.
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17:04:00 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
17:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see jturner
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17:04:33 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/12-forms-actions.rdf :
17:04:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to post updated message on access-control to comments list, and indicate that we continue to study the isssue. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html [1]
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