IRC log of sweo on 2007-12-05

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15:01:03 [Zakim]
+??P9
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+Susie
15:01:08 [Kjetil]
Zakim, what is the code?
15:01:15 [Zakim]
the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Kjetil
15:01:59 [Zakim]
+LeeF
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+??P2
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+ +047678aaaa
15:03:34 [Kjetil]
Zakim, aaaa is me
15:03:34 [Zakim]
+Kjetil; got it
15:03:46 [LeeF]
zakim, mute me
15:03:46 [Zakim]
LeeF should now be muted
15:03:51 [LeeF]
zakim, aaaa is kidehen
15:03:51 [Zakim]
sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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zakim, +047678aaaa is kidehen
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sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '+047678aaaa'
15:04:09 [LeeF]
zakim, ??P2 is kidehen
15:04:09 [Zakim]
+kidehen; got it
15:04:37 [LeeF]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:37 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P9, Susie, LeeF (muted), kidehen, Kjetil
15:04:55 [Kjetil]
Zakim, mute me
15:04:55 [Zakim]
Kjetil should now be muted
15:05:36 [JacekK]
zakim, ??P9 is me
15:05:36 [Zakim]
+JacekK; got it
15:06:06 [Zakim]
+ +49.631.2.aabb
15:06:17 [LeeF]
zakim, aabb is Leo
15:06:17 [Zakim]
sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:06:29 [LeeF]
zakim, +49.631.2.aabb is Leo
15:06:29 [Zakim]
sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '+49.631.2.aabb'
15:06:35 [LeeF]
zakim, I dislike you immensely
15:06:35 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'I dislike you immensely', LeeF
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hi
15:06:48 [LeeF]
hi Leo
15:06:51 [leobard]
zakim, scribenick leo
15:06:51 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'scribenick leo', leobard
15:06:56 [LeeF]
Scribenick: Leo
15:06:59 [LeeF]
zakim, .aabb is Leo
15:06:59 [Zakim]
sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb'
15:07:02 [leobard]
Scribenick: leobard
15:07:04 [LeeF]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:07:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see JacekK, Susie, LeeF (muted), kidehen, Kjetil (muted), +49.631.2.aacc
15:07:07 [JacekK]
zakim, aabb is LeoF
15:07:07 [Zakim]
sorry, JacekK, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:07:22 [LeeF]
zakim, aacc is Leo
15:07:22 [Zakim]
+Leo; got it
15:07:29 [Kjetil]
hehe
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15:07:47 [leobard]
scribe: David Provost is not here today.
15:08:04 [leobard]
susie: had the idea to make a webinar
15:08:24 [leobard]
susie: then next agenda item is "preferred document collection"
15:08:34 [leobard]
susie: leo about information gathering
15:08:55 [leobard]
susie: I looked at the website and tried it out
15:09:10 [leobard]
susie: I had problems with the internet explorer being very slow
15:09:18 [leobard]
susie: I went to the url:
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I couldn't figure out where the data was available to me
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and how I could upload data
15:10:34 [Susie]
-> http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html>
15:10:36 [leobard]
susie: then i pressed some button on upper left and then ie crashed
15:11:12 [leobard]
why did I needed to upload data when I was lookinf for "the latest book in smenweb"
15:11:27 [leobard]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
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15:11:59 [kidehen]
Susie: you should not be using that URL
15:12:10 [kidehen]
Susie: as in <http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html>
15:12:20 [danja]
(sorry, lost track of time - will be in a minute)
15:14:52 [leobard]
... kidehen, susie, leo go through demo ...
15:15:09 [leobard]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataSources
15:16:47 [LeeF]
the one issue that i've been advocating for for 12 months :-)
15:17:44 [kidehen]
Susie: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/summary.vsp
15:20:08 [Zakim]
+??P19
15:20:32 [LeeF]
In my opinion, there are no RDF browsers that exist right now that are friendly enough to use for this data display for non-technical people.
15:20:39 [Zakim]
+??P26
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15:20:46 [danja]
sorry LeeF, issue? (I'm having trouble connecting)
15:20:56 [uldis]
hi, i just joined the telco
15:20:57 [LeeF]
The same issue we've been discussing for 12 months :(
15:21:09 [leobard]
kingsley: first rdf storage, then others make user interfaces for it
15:21:09 [LeeF]
whether sweo should create a friendly portal for the informatio ngathering task
15:21:16 [uldis]
sorry for being late, was in a meeting
15:21:18 [LeeF]
or focus on data collection and RDF exposing
15:21:28 [leobard]
LeeF: yep
15:22:39 [danja]
Zakim, ??P19 is uldis
15:22:39 [danja]
hmm
15:22:39 [danja]
Zakim, +??P19 is uldis
15:22:39 [Zakim]
+uldis; got it
15:22:40 [danja]
Zakim, P19 is uldis
15:22:40 [Zakim]
sorry, danja, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
15:22:42 [Zakim]
sorry, danja, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
15:22:42 [danja]
oh well
15:22:51 [uldis]
thx, danja
15:23:08 [leobard]
kidehen: based on the URI pointing to the RDF data, different user interfaces can be done
15:23:11 [danja]
Zakim, ??P26 is danja
15:23:11 [Zakim]
+danja; got it
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15:23:38 [danja]
thank you Zakim
15:23:45 [LeeF]
I don't think such a URL exists.
15:24:19 [leobard]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
15:24:31 [leobard]
http://sweo.openlinksw.com:8892/dumps/
15:24:41 [LeeF]
There is no URL that SWEO is producing that complete novices can reasonably be pointed to.
15:24:49 [leobard]
Leef: yes
15:24:57 [LeeF]
(not sure if Susie understands that)
15:25:15 [LeeF]
ack leef
15:26:23 [Zakim]
+ +1.603.897.aacc
15:26:49 [leobard]
susie: how hard is it to provide an interface for a novice user?
15:27:04 [kidehen]
All: We are missing the URI for the entity "sweo" in this Info Gathering repository
15:27:36 [leobard]
LeeF: I advocate a glossy-good looking endpoint for end users, but have not the time to put into.
15:27:41 [kidehen]
All: this URI will be dereferencable and will generate a HTML representation for normal browsers (i.e. Doc Web browsers)
15:28:36 [danja]
(time permitting :-)
15:29:26 [leobard]
LeeF: at the moment we have a RDF endpoint, but no sweo members commited on time for the gui
15:29:42 [kidehen]
leobard: we need to make a movie about using this system
15:29:53 [leobard]
susie: I appreciate the time put into it and we should have the url now where the information is gathered
15:29:56 [kidehen]
loebard: i.e. record interaction with the system
15:30:17 [leobard]
susie: once we have the data gathered, in the next sweo we could make the gui
15:30:34 [leobard]
susie: and other people can do the gui, so we have to publish the URI
15:30:42 [uldis]
plenty of work for the next sweo
15:31:25 [leobard]
susie: danny, what about the tutorial rating system?
15:31:45 [leobard]
Danny: ... (hard to hear)....
15:32:06 [leobard]
Danny: ongoing work on the gui.
15:32:25 [leobard]
Danny: we put data into it and
15:32:57 [leobard]
Danny: more work done in next week
15:34:13 [LeeF]
I would be glad to.
15:34:22 [LeeF]
oo, good thing I'm muted :)
15:36:41 [Susie]
ACTION: Danny to review URI document
15:38:29 [Susie]
ACTION: Susie to check minimal time for posting URI document as a working draft
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15:39:52 [leobard]
Leo mentions facts about the role of author/editor in the document
15:40:03 [LeeF]
ack me
15:40:06 [Susie]
ACTION: URI document to become a working draft by Dec. 12.
15:40:55 [leobard]
Danny and Lee wonder who has experience in publishing the note
15:41:09 [leobard]
Ivan is identified as the most experienced
15:41:17 [leobard]
susie: next point on the agenda
15:41:27 [leobard]
susie: Ivan on updates in use-cases and faw
15:41:37 [leobard]
susie: Pfizer use case is posted on website now
15:42:04 [leobard]
susie: Ivan and I have spent time on working on an outline on what we expect people to write when they write a use-case.
15:42:20 [leobard]
susie: we also setup an e-mail alias for submission of use cases/case studies
15:43:08 [leobard]
susie: uldis has been talking with BBC about a possible use case
15:43:46 [leobard]
uldis: current status is: they have catalogued their content in RDF.
15:44:05 [leobard]
uldis: but its not clear how this can be showed as case study
15:44:33 [leobard]
uldis: they have also a new project going on, a possible use case
15:45:01 [leobard]
kidehen: Danny, didn't you list "BBC memories" in your weekly rdf?
15:45:36 [uldis]
http://www.asemantics.com/bbc-date-aggregator
15:45:59 [leobard]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/memoryshare/
15:46:05 [uldis]
that's just short info, it's not public yet. this is the aggregator i mentioned earlier
15:47:01 [uldis]
re. BBC program catalogue there's an XTech 2006 paper about this:
15:47:04 [uldis]
http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/paper/32
15:47:07 [leobard]
susie: lee, danny, meli, you looked at different facet categories for grouping the use cases
15:47:18 [leobard]
susie: any news about categories?
15:47:45 [leobard]
action: danny, meli, lee: continue on looking at facet categories for grouping use cases
15:48:25 [Kjetil]
Zakim, unmute me
15:48:25 [Zakim]
Kjetil should no longer be muted
15:48:27 [leobard]
susie: last agenda point: community projects
15:48:42 [leobard]
Kjetil: trying to recruit students to fulfill part of my work
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15:49:38 [leobard]
kingsley reports that parts of BBC data are published as open linked data
15:50:14 [leobard]
kingsley: we will have a new dataset of BBC soon and update the wikipedia data also
15:51:03 [leobard]
kidehen: the conference on linked data will be 17th, 18th June 2008, in New York
15:51:27 [leobard]
kidehen: east coast first, then west coast
15:51:35 [LeeF]
ack
15:51:47 [Kjetil]
q+
15:52:08 [leobard]
Kjetilk: What is the status on SWEO continuation?
15:52:30 [uldis]
there will also be a SIOC tutorial at WWW'08
15:52:41 [leobard]
Kjetilk: many groups are chartered now (hclsid, ...) and then sweo is discussed
15:52:45 [Kjetil]
s/KjetilK/LeeF/
15:52:48 [Kjetil]
I think?
15:53:14 [kidehen]
LeeF: Dates for event?
15:54:03 [leobard]
Leef: workshop coming up in ~march on that
15:54:19 [danja]
ALberto's presentation on BBC data : http://www.asemantics.com/presos/SWIG-UK-Bristol/BBC-content-aggregator.pdf
15:54:19 [danja]
from : http://swig.networkedplanet.com/special.html
15:54:40 [kidehen]
uldis: Where is your Tutorial re. SIOC?
15:54:48 [leobard]
susie: there is a HCLS workshop in www, where I am organising
15:55:18 [leobard]
susie: maybe plan the first f2f meeting of sweo in Beijing
15:55:40 [leobard]
Kjetil: congratulations to scientific american article
15:55:42 [kidehen]
Kjetil: link please
15:55:46 [LeeF]
no link :(
15:56:04 [danja]
very nice article in Sci Am
15:56:13 [uldis]
paid-article - not good for outreach
15:56:15 [uldis]
:/
15:56:40 [leobard]
uldis, I would say scientific american: excellent way for outreach
15:57:07 [danja]
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-semantic-web-in-action
15:57:33 [leobard]
question on tim berners lee interview
15:57:48 [uldis]
in Rolling Stones magazine
15:57:56 [leobard]
susie: aob?
15:58:11 [uldis]
leobard: if people have to pay to read the article in SciAm, that's bad, not good
15:58:27 [Zakim]
-JacekK
15:58:29 [Zakim]
-Kjetil
15:58:34 [danja]
I thought I'd seen a Linked Data bit in http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pXflHWOWtQsbcjIFQ0FiAag
15:58:37 [Zakim]
-kidehen
15:58:37 [leobard]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:43 [danja]
SWAP 2007, semweb .it conf
15:58:45 [Zakim]
- +1.603.897.aadd
15:58:49 [Zakim]
-uldis
15:58:50 [leobard]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:50 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-minutes.html leobard
15:58:51 [Zakim]
-Susie
15:58:52 [uldis]
of course some will read it in paper form, but value of having it available in open form on the web
15:58:55 [Zakim]
-LeeF
15:58:57 [Zakim]
-Leo
15:59:00 [uldis]
and letting people link to
15:59:02 [Kjetil]
uldis, but I can say to all of my academic friends "go read the article in SciAm" and they will
15:59:02 [uldis]
is much higher
15:59:23 [Zakim]
-danja
15:59:27 [Zakim]
SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Susie, LeeF, +047678aaaa, Kjetil, kidehen, JacekK, +49.631.2.aabb, Leo, uldis, danja, +1.603.897.aacc
15:59:37 [uldis]
Kjetil: don't they know about SemWeb already? i was thinking of a wider audience ;)
15:59:54 [leobard]
RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:00:10 [Kjetil]
there is tons of information about the semweb allready, so I think this is really important for exactly that audience, which is hard to reach otherwise
16:00:28 [leobard]
kjetil, can you test if this URI is readable? http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-minutes.html
16:00:36 [leobard]
I cannot access the minutes :-/
16:00:37 [uldis]
kidehen: the tutorial's at WWW 2008 conference
16:00:50 [Kjetil]
leobard, works for me
16:00:57 [leobard]
ah, works now.
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