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15:01:03 <Zakim> +??P9
15:01:07 <Zakim> +Susie
15:01:08 <Kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?
15:01:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Kjetil
15:01:59 <Zakim> +LeeF
15:02:22 <Zakim> +??P2
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15:03:20 <Zakim> + +047678aaaa
15:03:34 <Kjetil> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:03:34 <Zakim> +Kjetil; got it
15:03:46 <LeeF> zakim, mute me
15:03:46 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
15:03:51 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is kidehen
15:03:51 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:03:58 <LeeF> zakim, +047678aaaa is kidehen
15:03:58 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '+047678aaaa'
15:04:09 <LeeF> zakim, ??P2 is kidehen
15:04:09 <Zakim> +kidehen; got it
15:04:37 <LeeF> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P9, Susie, LeeF (muted), kidehen, Kjetil
15:04:55 <Kjetil> Zakim, mute me
15:04:55 <Zakim> Kjetil should now be muted
15:05:36 <JacekK> zakim, ??P9 is me
15:05:36 <Zakim> +JacekK; got it
15:06:06 <Zakim> + +49.631.2.aabb
15:06:17 <LeeF> zakim, aabb is Leo
15:06:17 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:06:29 <LeeF> zakim, +49.631.2.aabb is Leo
15:06:29 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '+49.631.2.aabb'
15:06:35 <LeeF> zakim, I dislike you immensely
15:06:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I dislike you immensely', LeeF
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15:06:44 <leobard> hi
15:06:48 <LeeF> hi Leo
15:06:51 <leobard> zakim, scribenick leo
15:06:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribenick leo', leobard
15:06:56 <LeeF> Scribenick: Leo
15:06:59 <LeeF> zakim, .aabb is Leo
15:06:59 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb'
15:07:02 <leobard> Scribenick: leobard
15:07:04 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:07:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see JacekK, Susie, LeeF (muted), kidehen, Kjetil (muted), +49.631.2.aacc
15:07:07 <JacekK> zakim, aabb is LeoF
15:07:07 <Zakim> sorry, JacekK, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:07:22 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is Leo
15:07:22 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
15:07:29 <Kjetil> hehe
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15:07:47 <leobard> scribe: David Provost is not here today.
15:08:04 <leobard> susie: had the idea to make a webinar
15:08:24 <leobard> susie: then next agenda item is "preferred document collection"
15:08:34 <leobard> susie: leo about information gathering
15:08:55 <leobard> susie: I looked at the website and tried it out
15:09:10 <leobard> susie: I had problems with the internet explorer being very slow
15:09:18 <leobard> susie: I went to the url:
15:10:01 <leobard> I couldn't figure out where the data was available to me
15:10:05 <leobard> and how I could upload data
15:10:34 <Susie> -> http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html> 
15:10:36 <leobard> susie: then i pressed some button on upper left and then ie crashed
15:11:12 <leobard> why did I needed to upload data when I was lookinf for "the latest book in smenweb"
15:11:27 <leobard> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
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15:11:59 <kidehen> Susie: you should not be using that URL
15:12:10 <kidehen> Susie: as in <http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html>
15:12:20 <danja> (sorry, lost track of time - will be in a minute)
15:14:52 <leobard> ... kidehen, susie, leo go through demo ...
15:15:09 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataSources
15:16:47 <LeeF> the one issue that i've been advocating for for 12 months :-)
15:17:44 <kidehen> Susie: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/summary.vsp
15:20:08 <Zakim> +??P19
15:20:32 <LeeF> In my opinion, there are no RDF browsers that exist right now that are friendly enough to use for this data display for non-technical people.
15:20:39 <Zakim> +??P26
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15:20:46 <danja> sorry LeeF, issue? (I'm  having trouble connecting)
15:20:56 <uldis> hi, i just joined the telco
15:20:57 <LeeF> The same issue we've been discussing for 12 months :(
15:21:09 <leobard> kingsley: first rdf storage, then others make user interfaces for it
15:21:09 <LeeF> whether sweo should create a friendly portal for the informatio ngathering task
15:21:16 <uldis> sorry for being late, was in a meeting
15:21:18 <LeeF> or focus on data collection and RDF exposing
15:21:28 <leobard> LeeF: yep
15:22:39 <danja> Zakim, ??P19 is uldis
15:22:39 <danja> hmm
15:22:39 <danja> Zakim, +??P19 is uldis
15:22:39 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
15:22:40 <danja> Zakim, P19 is uldis
15:22:40 <Zakim> sorry, danja, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
15:22:42 <Zakim> sorry, danja, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
15:22:42 <danja> oh well
15:22:51 <uldis> thx, danja
15:23:08 <leobard> kidehen: based on the URI pointing to the RDF data, different user interfaces can be done
15:23:11 <danja> Zakim, ??P26 is danja
15:23:11 <Zakim> +danja; got it
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15:23:38 <danja> thank you Zakim
15:23:45 <LeeF> I don't think such a URL exists.
15:24:19 <leobard> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
15:24:31 <leobard> http://sweo.openlinksw.com:8892/dumps/
15:24:41 <LeeF> There is no URL that SWEO is producing that complete novices can reasonably be pointed to.
15:24:49 <leobard> Leef: yes
15:24:57 <LeeF> (not sure if Susie understands that)
15:25:15 <LeeF> ack leef
15:26:23 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
15:26:49 <leobard> susie: how hard is it to provide an interface for a novice user?
15:27:04 <kidehen> All: We are missing the URI for the entity "sweo" in this Info Gathering repository
15:27:36 <leobard> LeeF: I advocate a glossy-good looking endpoint for end users, but have not the time to put into.
15:27:41 <kidehen> All: this URI will be dereferencable and will generate a HTML representation for normal browsers (i.e. Doc Web browsers)
15:28:36 <danja> (time permitting :-)
15:29:26 <leobard> LeeF: at the moment we have a RDF endpoint, but no sweo members commited on time for the gui
15:29:42 <kidehen> leobard: we need to make a movie about using this system
15:29:53 <leobard> susie: I appreciate the time put into it and we should have the url now where the information is gathered
15:29:56 <kidehen> loebard: i.e. record interaction with the system
15:30:17 <leobard> susie: once we have the data gathered, in the next sweo we could make the gui
15:30:34 <leobard> susie: and other people can do the gui, so we have to publish the URI
15:30:42 <uldis> plenty of work for the next sweo
15:31:25 <leobard> susie: danny, what about the tutorial rating system?
15:31:45 <leobard> Danny: ... (hard to hear)....
15:32:06 <leobard> Danny: ongoing work on the gui. 
15:32:25 <leobard> Danny: we put data into it and 
15:32:57 <leobard> Danny: more work done in next week
15:34:13 <LeeF> I would be glad to.
15:34:22 <LeeF> oo, good thing I'm muted :)
15:36:41 <Susie> ACTION: Danny to review URI document
15:38:29 <Susie> ACTION: Susie to check minimal time for posting URI document as a working draft
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15:39:52 <leobard> Leo mentions facts about the role of author/editor in the document
15:40:03 <LeeF> ack me
15:40:06 <Susie> ACTION: URI document to become a working draft by Dec. 12.
15:40:55 <leobard> Danny and Lee wonder who has experience in publishing the note
15:41:09 <leobard> Ivan is identified as the most experienced
15:41:17 <leobard> susie: next point on the agenda
15:41:27 <leobard> susie: Ivan on updates in use-cases and faw
15:41:37 <leobard> susie: Pfizer use case is posted on website now
15:42:04 <leobard> susie: Ivan and I have spent time on working on an outline on what we expect people to write when they write a use-case. 
15:42:20 <leobard> susie: we also setup an e-mail alias for submission of use cases/case studies
15:43:08 <leobard> susie: uldis has been talking with BBC about a possible use case
15:43:46 <leobard> uldis: current status is: they have catalogued their content in RDF.
15:44:05 <leobard> uldis: but its not clear how this can be showed as case study
15:44:33 <leobard> uldis: they have also a new project going on, a possible use case
15:45:01 <leobard> kidehen: Danny, didn't you list "BBC memories" in your weekly rdf?
15:45:36 <uldis> http://www.asemantics.com/bbc-date-aggregator
15:45:59 <leobard> http://www.bbc.co.uk/memoryshare/
15:46:05 <uldis> that's just short info, it's not public yet. this is the aggregator i mentioned earlier
15:47:01 <uldis> re. BBC program catalogue there's an XTech 2006 paper about this:
15:47:04 <uldis> http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/paper/32
15:47:07 <leobard> susie: lee, danny, meli, you looked at different facet categories for grouping the use cases
15:47:18 <leobard> susie: any news about categories?
15:47:45 <leobard> action: danny, meli, lee: continue on looking at facet categories for grouping use cases
15:48:25 <Kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
15:48:25 <Zakim> Kjetil should no longer be muted
15:48:27 <leobard> susie: last agenda point: community projects
15:48:42 <leobard> Kjetil: trying to recruit students to fulfill part of my work
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15:49:38 <leobard> kingsley reports that parts of BBC data are published as open linked data
15:50:14 <leobard> kingsley: we will have a new dataset of BBC soon and update the wikipedia data also
15:51:03 <leobard> kidehen: the conference on linked data will be 17th, 18th June 2008, in New York
15:51:27 <leobard> kidehen: east coast first, then west coast
15:51:35 <LeeF> ack
15:51:47 <Kjetil> q+
15:52:08 <leobard> Kjetilk: What is the status on SWEO continuation?
15:52:30 <uldis> there will also be a SIOC tutorial at WWW'08
15:52:41 <leobard> Kjetilk: many groups are chartered now (hclsid, ...) and then sweo is discussed
15:52:45 <Kjetil> s/KjetilK/LeeF/
15:52:48 <Kjetil> I think?
15:53:14 <kidehen> LeeF: Dates for event?
15:54:03 <leobard> Leef: workshop coming up in ~march on that
15:54:19 <danja> ALberto's presentation on BBC data : http://www.asemantics.com/presos/SWIG-UK-Bristol/BBC-content-aggregator.pdf
15:54:19 <danja> from : http://swig.networkedplanet.com/special.html
15:54:40 <kidehen> uldis: Where is your Tutorial re. SIOC? 
15:54:48 <leobard> susie: there is a HCLS workshop in www, where I am organising
15:55:18 <leobard> susie: maybe plan the first f2f meeting of sweo in Beijing
15:55:40 <leobard> Kjetil: congratulations to scientific american article
15:55:42 <kidehen> Kjetil: link please
15:55:46 <LeeF> no link :(
15:56:04 <danja> very nice article in Sci Am
15:56:13 <uldis> paid-article - not good for outreach
15:56:15 <uldis> :/
15:56:40 <leobard> uldis, I would say scientific american: excellent way for outreach
15:57:07 <danja> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-semantic-web-in-action
15:57:33 <leobard> question on tim berners lee interview
15:57:48 <uldis> in Rolling Stones magazine
15:57:56 <leobard> susie: aob?
15:58:11 <uldis> leobard: if people have to pay to read the article in SciAm, that's bad, not good
15:58:27 <Zakim> -JacekK
15:58:29 <Zakim> -Kjetil
15:58:34 <danja> I thought I'd seen a Linked Data bit in http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pXflHWOWtQsbcjIFQ0FiAag
15:58:37 <Zakim> -kidehen
15:58:37 <leobard>  RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:43 <danja> SWAP 2007, semweb .it conf
15:58:45 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aadd
15:58:49 <Zakim> -uldis
15:58:50 <leobard> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-minutes.html leobard
15:58:51 <Zakim> -Susie
15:58:52 <uldis> of course some will read it in paper form, but value of having it available in open form on the web
15:58:55 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:58:57 <Zakim> -Leo
15:59:00 <uldis> and letting people link to 
15:59:02 <Kjetil> uldis, but I can say to all of my academic friends "go read the article in SciAm" and they will
15:59:02 <uldis> is much higher
15:59:23 <Zakim> -danja
15:59:27 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
15:59:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Susie, LeeF, +047678aaaa, Kjetil, kidehen, JacekK, +49.631.2.aabb, Leo, uldis, danja, +1.603.897.aacc
15:59:37 <uldis> Kjetil: don't they know about SemWeb already? i was thinking of a wider audience ;)
15:59:54 <leobard> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:00:10 <Kjetil> there is tons of information about the semweb allready, so I think this is really important for exactly that audience, which is hard to reach otherwise
16:00:28 <leobard> kjetil, can you test if this URI is readable? http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-minutes.html
16:00:36 <leobard> I cannot access the minutes :-/
16:00:37 <uldis> kidehen: the tutorial's at WWW 2008 conference
16:00:50 <Kjetil> leobard, works for me
16:00:57 <leobard> ah, works now.
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