IRC log of sweo on 2007-12-05
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-irc
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- +??P9
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- +Susie
- 15:01:08 [Kjetil]
- Zakim, what is the code?
- 15:01:15 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Kjetil
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- +LeeF
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- +??P2
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- kidehen joined call
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- + +047678aaaa
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- Zakim, aaaa is me
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- +Kjetil; got it
- 15:03:46 [LeeF]
- zakim, mute me
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- LeeF should now be muted
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- zakim, aaaa is kidehen
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- sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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- zakim, +047678aaaa is kidehen
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- sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '+047678aaaa'
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- zakim, ??P2 is kidehen
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- +kidehen; got it
- 15:04:37 [LeeF]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:04:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P9, Susie, LeeF (muted), kidehen, Kjetil
- 15:04:55 [Kjetil]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Kjetil should now be muted
- 15:05:36 [JacekK]
- zakim, ??P9 is me
- 15:05:36 [Zakim]
- +JacekK; got it
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- + +49.631.2.aabb
- 15:06:17 [LeeF]
- zakim, aabb is Leo
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- sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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- zakim, +49.631.2.aabb is Leo
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- sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '+49.631.2.aabb'
- 15:06:35 [LeeF]
- zakim, I dislike you immensely
- 15:06:35 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'I dislike you immensely', LeeF
- 15:06:40 [leobard]
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- hi
- 15:06:48 [LeeF]
- hi Leo
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- zakim, scribenick leo
- 15:06:51 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'scribenick leo', leobard
- 15:06:56 [LeeF]
- Scribenick: Leo
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- zakim, .aabb is Leo
- 15:06:59 [Zakim]
- sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb'
- 15:07:02 [leobard]
- Scribenick: leobard
- 15:07:04 [LeeF]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:07:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see JacekK, Susie, LeeF (muted), kidehen, Kjetil (muted), +49.631.2.aacc
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- zakim, aabb is LeoF
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- sorry, JacekK, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
- 15:07:22 [LeeF]
- zakim, aacc is Leo
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- +Leo; got it
- 15:07:29 [Kjetil]
- hehe
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- 15:07:47 [leobard]
- scribe: David Provost is not here today.
- 15:08:04 [leobard]
- susie: had the idea to make a webinar
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- susie: then next agenda item is "preferred document collection"
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- susie: leo about information gathering
- 15:08:55 [leobard]
- susie: I looked at the website and tried it out
- 15:09:10 [leobard]
- susie: I had problems with the internet explorer being very slow
- 15:09:18 [leobard]
- susie: I went to the url:
- 15:10:01 [leobard]
- I couldn't figure out where the data was available to me
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- and how I could upload data
- 15:10:34 [Susie]
- -> http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html>
- 15:10:36 [leobard]
- susie: then i pressed some button on upper left and then ie crashed
- 15:11:12 [leobard]
- why did I needed to upload data when I was lookinf for "the latest book in smenweb"
- 15:11:27 [leobard]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
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- 15:11:59 [kidehen]
- Susie: you should not be using that URL
- 15:12:10 [kidehen]
- Susie: as in <http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html>
- 15:12:20 [danja]
- (sorry, lost track of time - will be in a minute)
- 15:14:52 [leobard]
- ... kidehen, susie, leo go through demo ...
- 15:15:09 [leobard]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataSources
- 15:16:47 [LeeF]
- the one issue that i've been advocating for for 12 months :-)
- 15:17:44 [kidehen]
- Susie: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/summary.vsp
- 15:20:08 [Zakim]
- +??P19
- 15:20:32 [LeeF]
- In my opinion, there are no RDF browsers that exist right now that are friendly enough to use for this data display for non-technical people.
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- +??P26
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- 15:20:46 [danja]
- sorry LeeF, issue? (I'm having trouble connecting)
- 15:20:56 [uldis]
- hi, i just joined the telco
- 15:20:57 [LeeF]
- The same issue we've been discussing for 12 months :(
- 15:21:09 [leobard]
- kingsley: first rdf storage, then others make user interfaces for it
- 15:21:09 [LeeF]
- whether sweo should create a friendly portal for the informatio ngathering task
- 15:21:16 [uldis]
- sorry for being late, was in a meeting
- 15:21:18 [LeeF]
- or focus on data collection and RDF exposing
- 15:21:28 [leobard]
- LeeF: yep
- 15:22:39 [danja]
- Zakim, ??P19 is uldis
- 15:22:39 [danja]
- hmm
- 15:22:39 [danja]
- Zakim, +??P19 is uldis
- 15:22:39 [Zakim]
- +uldis; got it
- 15:22:40 [danja]
- Zakim, P19 is uldis
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- sorry, danja, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
- 15:22:42 [Zakim]
- sorry, danja, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
- 15:22:42 [danja]
- oh well
- 15:22:51 [uldis]
- thx, danja
- 15:23:08 [leobard]
- kidehen: based on the URI pointing to the RDF data, different user interfaces can be done
- 15:23:11 [danja]
- Zakim, ??P26 is danja
- 15:23:11 [Zakim]
- +danja; got it
- 15:23:29 [Melli]
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- 15:23:38 [danja]
- thank you Zakim
- 15:23:45 [LeeF]
- I don't think such a URL exists.
- 15:24:19 [leobard]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
- 15:24:31 [leobard]
- http://sweo.openlinksw.com:8892/dumps/
- 15:24:41 [LeeF]
- There is no URL that SWEO is producing that complete novices can reasonably be pointed to.
- 15:24:49 [leobard]
- Leef: yes
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- (not sure if Susie understands that)
- 15:25:15 [LeeF]
- ack leef
- 15:26:23 [Zakim]
- + +1.603.897.aacc
- 15:26:49 [leobard]
- susie: how hard is it to provide an interface for a novice user?
- 15:27:04 [kidehen]
- All: We are missing the URI for the entity "sweo" in this Info Gathering repository
- 15:27:36 [leobard]
- LeeF: I advocate a glossy-good looking endpoint for end users, but have not the time to put into.
- 15:27:41 [kidehen]
- All: this URI will be dereferencable and will generate a HTML representation for normal browsers (i.e. Doc Web browsers)
- 15:28:36 [danja]
- (time permitting :-)
- 15:29:26 [leobard]
- LeeF: at the moment we have a RDF endpoint, but no sweo members commited on time for the gui
- 15:29:42 [kidehen]
- leobard: we need to make a movie about using this system
- 15:29:53 [leobard]
- susie: I appreciate the time put into it and we should have the url now where the information is gathered
- 15:29:56 [kidehen]
- loebard: i.e. record interaction with the system
- 15:30:17 [leobard]
- susie: once we have the data gathered, in the next sweo we could make the gui
- 15:30:34 [leobard]
- susie: and other people can do the gui, so we have to publish the URI
- 15:30:42 [uldis]
- plenty of work for the next sweo
- 15:31:25 [leobard]
- susie: danny, what about the tutorial rating system?
- 15:31:45 [leobard]
- Danny: ... (hard to hear)....
- 15:32:06 [leobard]
- Danny: ongoing work on the gui.
- 15:32:25 [leobard]
- Danny: we put data into it and
- 15:32:57 [leobard]
- Danny: more work done in next week
- 15:34:13 [LeeF]
- I would be glad to.
- 15:34:22 [LeeF]
- oo, good thing I'm muted :)
- 15:36:41 [Susie]
- ACTION: Danny to review URI document
- 15:38:29 [Susie]
- ACTION: Susie to check minimal time for posting URI document as a working draft
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- 15:39:52 [leobard]
- Leo mentions facts about the role of author/editor in the document
- 15:40:03 [LeeF]
- ack me
- 15:40:06 [Susie]
- ACTION: URI document to become a working draft by Dec. 12.
- 15:40:55 [leobard]
- Danny and Lee wonder who has experience in publishing the note
- 15:41:09 [leobard]
- Ivan is identified as the most experienced
- 15:41:17 [leobard]
- susie: next point on the agenda
- 15:41:27 [leobard]
- susie: Ivan on updates in use-cases and faw
- 15:41:37 [leobard]
- susie: Pfizer use case is posted on website now
- 15:42:04 [leobard]
- susie: Ivan and I have spent time on working on an outline on what we expect people to write when they write a use-case.
- 15:42:20 [leobard]
- susie: we also setup an e-mail alias for submission of use cases/case studies
- 15:43:08 [leobard]
- susie: uldis has been talking with BBC about a possible use case
- 15:43:46 [leobard]
- uldis: current status is: they have catalogued their content in RDF.
- 15:44:05 [leobard]
- uldis: but its not clear how this can be showed as case study
- 15:44:33 [leobard]
- uldis: they have also a new project going on, a possible use case
- 15:45:01 [leobard]
- kidehen: Danny, didn't you list "BBC memories" in your weekly rdf?
- 15:45:36 [uldis]
- http://www.asemantics.com/bbc-date-aggregator
- 15:45:59 [leobard]
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/memoryshare/
- 15:46:05 [uldis]
- that's just short info, it's not public yet. this is the aggregator i mentioned earlier
- 15:47:01 [uldis]
- re. BBC program catalogue there's an XTech 2006 paper about this:
- 15:47:04 [uldis]
- http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/paper/32
- 15:47:07 [leobard]
- susie: lee, danny, meli, you looked at different facet categories for grouping the use cases
- 15:47:18 [leobard]
- susie: any news about categories?
- 15:47:45 [leobard]
- action: danny, meli, lee: continue on looking at facet categories for grouping use cases
- 15:48:25 [Kjetil]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:48:25 [Zakim]
- Kjetil should no longer be muted
- 15:48:27 [leobard]
- susie: last agenda point: community projects
- 15:48:42 [leobard]
- Kjetil: trying to recruit students to fulfill part of my work
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- 15:49:38 [leobard]
- kingsley reports that parts of BBC data are published as open linked data
- 15:50:14 [leobard]
- kingsley: we will have a new dataset of BBC soon and update the wikipedia data also
- 15:51:03 [leobard]
- kidehen: the conference on linked data will be 17th, 18th June 2008, in New York
- 15:51:27 [leobard]
- kidehen: east coast first, then west coast
- 15:51:35 [LeeF]
- ack
- 15:51:47 [Kjetil]
- q+
- 15:52:08 [leobard]
- Kjetilk: What is the status on SWEO continuation?
- 15:52:30 [uldis]
- there will also be a SIOC tutorial at WWW'08
- 15:52:41 [leobard]
- Kjetilk: many groups are chartered now (hclsid, ...) and then sweo is discussed
- 15:52:45 [Kjetil]
- s/KjetilK/LeeF/
- 15:52:48 [Kjetil]
- I think?
- 15:53:14 [kidehen]
- LeeF: Dates for event?
- 15:54:03 [leobard]
- Leef: workshop coming up in ~march on that
- 15:54:19 [danja]
- ALberto's presentation on BBC data : http://www.asemantics.com/presos/SWIG-UK-Bristol/BBC-content-aggregator.pdf
- 15:54:19 [danja]
- from : http://swig.networkedplanet.com/special.html
- 15:54:40 [kidehen]
- uldis: Where is your Tutorial re. SIOC?
- 15:54:48 [leobard]
- susie: there is a HCLS workshop in www, where I am organising
- 15:55:18 [leobard]
- susie: maybe plan the first f2f meeting of sweo in Beijing
- 15:55:40 [leobard]
- Kjetil: congratulations to scientific american article
- 15:55:42 [kidehen]
- Kjetil: link please
- 15:55:46 [LeeF]
- no link :(
- 15:56:04 [danja]
- very nice article in Sci Am
- 15:56:13 [uldis]
- paid-article - not good for outreach
- 15:56:15 [uldis]
- :/
- 15:56:40 [leobard]
- uldis, I would say scientific american: excellent way for outreach
- 15:57:07 [danja]
- http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-semantic-web-in-action
- 15:57:33 [leobard]
- question on tim berners lee interview
- 15:57:48 [uldis]
- in Rolling Stones magazine
- 15:57:56 [leobard]
- susie: aob?
- 15:58:11 [uldis]
- leobard: if people have to pay to read the article in SciAm, that's bad, not good
- 15:58:27 [Zakim]
- -JacekK
- 15:58:29 [Zakim]
- -Kjetil
- 15:58:34 [danja]
- I thought I'd seen a Linked Data bit in http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pXflHWOWtQsbcjIFQ0FiAag
- 15:58:37 [Zakim]
- -kidehen
- 15:58:37 [leobard]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:58:43 [danja]
- SWAP 2007, semweb .it conf
- 15:58:45 [Zakim]
- - +1.603.897.aadd
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- -uldis
- 15:58:50 [leobard]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:58:50 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-minutes.html leobard
- 15:58:51 [Zakim]
- -Susie
- 15:58:52 [uldis]
- of course some will read it in paper form, but value of having it available in open form on the web
- 15:58:55 [Zakim]
- -LeeF
- 15:58:57 [Zakim]
- -Leo
- 15:59:00 [uldis]
- and letting people link to
- 15:59:02 [Kjetil]
- uldis, but I can say to all of my academic friends "go read the article in SciAm" and they will
- 15:59:02 [uldis]
- is much higher
- 15:59:23 [Zakim]
- -danja
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- SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Susie, LeeF, +047678aaaa, Kjetil, kidehen, JacekK, +49.631.2.aabb, Leo, uldis, danja, +1.603.897.aacc
- 15:59:37 [uldis]
- Kjetil: don't they know about SemWeb already? i was thinking of a wider audience ;)
- 15:59:54 [leobard]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 16:00:10 [Kjetil]
- there is tons of information about the semweb allready, so I think this is really important for exactly that audience, which is hard to reach otherwise
- 16:00:28 [leobard]
- kjetil, can you test if this URI is readable? http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-sweo-minutes.html
- 16:00:36 [leobard]
- I cannot access the minutes :-/
- 16:00:37 [uldis]
- kidehen: the tutorial's at WWW 2008 conference
- 16:00:50 [Kjetil]
- leobard, works for me
- 16:00:57 [leobard]
- ah, works now.
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