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21:01:35 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
21:01:39 <MichaelC> meeting: WCAG
21:01:46 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0104.html
21:01:48 <bengt> zakim, ??P1 is Bengt_Farre
21:01:50 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
21:01:50 <MichaelC> regrets: Christophe_Strobbe
21:02:07 <MichaelC> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
21:02:13 <Zakim> +??P0
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21:02:18 <rellero> zakim, I am Roberto_Ellero
21:02:18 <Zakim> ok, rellero, I now associate you with Roberto_Ellero
21:02:22 <MichaelC> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 29 Nov 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071129misc/results
21:02:30 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.617 is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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21:02:43 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is David_MacDonald
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21:03:23 <MichaelC> zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
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21:03:37 <Zakim> + +1.301.779.aacc
21:03:38 <MichaelC> agenda+ Decision of the Working Group on Last Call
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21:04:28 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.301 is Tim_Boland
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21:06:43 <MichaelC> present: Bruce_Bailey, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Scano, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald
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21:10:09 <MichaelC> zakim, drop +1.770
21:10:09 <Zakim> +1.770.615.aadd is being disconnected
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21:11:57 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:12:19 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
21:12:19 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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21:13:39 <Andi> scribe: Andi
21:14:15 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
21:14:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 29 Nov 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071129misc/results" taken up [from MichaelC]
21:14:26 <Zakim> + +1.703.831.aaee
21:14:40 <Drew> zakim, +1.703 is Drew
21:14:40 <Zakim> +Drew; got it
21:14:54 <MichaelC> present+ Drew_LaHart
21:15:00 <Andi> Accepted by unanimous consent: Proposed Rewording for SC 2.4.5, SC 1.4.5: Wording Change and Understanding Doc, Issue 2112, 2111, Issue 2291, Remove Failure from SC 1.4.9, Issue 2270,Issue 2274, Issue 1964, Issue 1968, Issue 2101, Issue 2103, Issue 2289, Issue 2051, Issue 2096, Issue 2104, Issue 2110, Issue 2114
21:15:27 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:15:33 <Andi> topic: Proposed Rewording for SC 1.4.3 and 1.4.6 
21:19:00 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
21:22:11 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
21:22:58 <Zakim> +??P13
21:23:05 <rscano> zakim, ??P13 is Roberto_Scano
21:23:05 <Zakim> +Roberto_Scano; got it
21:23:12 <rscano> zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
21:23:12 <Zakim> ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
21:24:23 <GreggVan> 1.4.3 Contrast (Minimum): Text and images of text have a contrast ratio of at least 5:1 except for the following
21:24:23 <GreggVan> * Large-scale and Images Exception: Large-scale text and images of text have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1
21:24:23 <GreggVan> * Inactive, Decoration, Incidental, Invisible Exception: Text or images of text that are part of an inactive user interface component, that are pure decoration, that are incidental text in an image, or that are not visible to anyone have no minimum contrast requirement.
21:24:24 <GreggVan> Note: Success Criteria 1.4.3 and 1.4.6 can be met via a contrast control available on or from the page. (Level AA)
21:27:58 <MichaelC> ack b
21:28:40 <GreggVan> 1.4.3 Contrast (Minimum): Text and images of text have a contrast ratio of at least 5:1 except for the following:
21:28:40 <GreggVan> * Large-scale Exception: Large-scale text and large scale images of text have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1
21:28:40 <GreggVan> * Incidental Exception: Text or images of text that are part of an inactive user interface component, that are pure decoration, that are incidental text in an image, or that are not visible to anyone have no minimum contrast requirement.
21:28:41 <GreggVan> Note: Success Criteria 1.4.3 and 1.4.6 can be met via a contrast control available on or from the page. (Level AA)
21:30:18 <rscano> there is a minimum definition for "large scale" (dimension) ?
21:31:24 <Andi> resolution: modify 1.4.3 as follows:
21:31:32 <Andi> 1.4.3 Contrast (Minimum): Text and images of text have a contrast ratio of at least 5:1 except for the following:
21:31:39 <Andi>  * Large-scale Exception: Large-scale text and large scale images of text have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1
21:31:45 <Andi> * Incidental Exception: Text or images of text that are part of an inactive user interface component, that are pure decoration, that are incidental text in an image, or that are not visible to anyone have no minimum contrast requirement.
21:31:52 <Andi>  Note: Success Criteria 1.4.3 and 1.4.6 can be met via a contrast control available on or from the page. (Level AA)
21:32:18 <Andi> resolution: modify 1.4.6 in a similar fashion
21:33:59 <Andi> resolution: accept definition of "incidental text" from survey
21:35:37 <Andi> topic: Proposed Rewording for SC 2.3.1 to harmonize with TEITAC
21:38:55 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:39:51 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:42:23 <GreggVan> viewport
21:42:23 <GreggVan>     object in which the user agent presents content
21:42:23 <GreggVan>     Note 1: The user agent presents content through one or more viewports. Viewports include windows, frames, loudspeakers, and virtual magnifying glasses. A viewport may contain another viewport (e.g., nested frames). User agent user interface controls such as prompts, menus, and alerts are not viewports.
21:42:23 <GreggVan>     Note 2: This definition is based on User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 Glossary.
21:42:36 <Andi> resolution: keep 2.3.1 existing wording with new wording for the note
21:42:57 <Andi> topic:
21:43:22 <Andi> topic: Understanding SC 1.1.2
21:43:51 <Andi> resolution: accept 1.1.1 as amended
21:44:08 <Andi> s/1.1.1/1.1.2/
21:47:16 <Andi> topic: Proposed Rewording for SC 2.4.3 (Focus Order), updated Understanding document
21:47:46 <Andi> resolution: accept "Proposed Rewording for SC 2.4.3 (Focus Order), updated Understanding document" as amended
21:48:48 <Ben> zakim, who is making noise?
21:48:59 <Zakim> Ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (99%), Katie_Haritos-Shea (20%)
21:49:14 <Ben> zakim, mute Katie
21:49:14 <Zakim> Katie_Haritos-Shea should now be muted
21:49:32 <Andi> topic: Issue 2128: Level of SC 1.4.5
21:58:34 <Sofia> q+
21:58:52 <GreggVan> ack c
21:58:54 <GreggVan> ack s
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22:04:10 <MichaelC> zaki, ??P0 is Nikolaos_Floratos
22:04:15 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is Nikolaos_Floratos
22:04:15 <Zakim> +Nikolaos_Floratos; got it
22:04:19 <Andi> resolution: keep 1.4.5 at Level AA; modify response to the user that it's not an absolute barrier and that we will pursue the user agent bug issue
22:04:39 <Zakim> -Nikolaos_Floratos
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22:06:57 <rscano> zakim, ??P0 is Nikolaos_Floratos
22:06:57 <Zakim> +Nikolaos_Floratos; got it
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22:07:57 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
22:14:27 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:16:40 <GreggVan> ack c
22:24:11 <Andi> topic: Issue 2112, 2111: Proposed Change to SC 1.4.4
22:28:21 <Andi> resolution: accept 2112 and 2111 as proposed
22:30:14 <Ben> q+
22:34:27 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:35:25 <GreggVan> ack b
22:35:28 <Andi> topic: Issue 2293: Proposed Change to wording of SC 3.1.4
22:36:02 <Andi> resolution: change "finding" to "identifying" in SC 3.1.4
22:36:35 <Andi> Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields but not including a text label
22:36:38 <Andi> topic: Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields but not including a text label
22:38:45 <Andi> action: Cynthia to do "phone number failure" example for 4.1.2
22:41:18 <Andi> resolution: accept "Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields but not including a text label" as amended
22:42:39 <Andi> topic: Failure of SC 1.4.3 and 1.4.5 due to using background images with insufficient contrast ...
22:43:02 <Andi> resolution: accept "Failure of 1.4.3 and 1.4.5 ..." as amended
22:43:46 <Andi> topic: Issue 2356: Preferment of liquid over elastic design for accessibility reasons
22:46:37 <Andi> resolution: accept 2356 as proposed
22:48:03 <Andi> topic: Issue 2156: Reading level changed to primary education level
22:48:12 <Andi> resolution: accept 2156 as proposed
22:49:51 <Andi> resolution: accept 2163, 2181, 2274, 2284, 2292, 2362 by unanimous consent
22:50:15 <Andi> topic: Issue 2160: Human testers should always be persons with disabilities
22:52:08 <Andi> resolution: accept 2160 as proposed
22:52:33 <Andi> topic: Issue 2318: Contrast in charts and graphs
22:55:09 <Andi> resolution: accept 2318 as amended
22:55:53 <Andi> topic: Issue 2158: Clearly identify supplemental content or alternate version
23:01:57 <Andi> resolution: accept 2158 as amended
23:02:18 <Andi> topic: Issue 2043: G21 and Keyboard trapping
23:02:31 <Andi> resolution: accept 2043 as amended
23:03:12 <Andi> resolution: accept 2109, 2157, 2320 by unanimous consent
23:03:59 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
23:03:59 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
23:04:06 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 1
23:04:06 <Zakim> agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
23:04:07 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
23:04:08 <Zakim> 3. Decision of the Working Group on Last Call [from MichaelC]
23:04:11 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
23:04:11 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Decision of the Working Group on Last Call" taken up [from MichaelC]
23:16:33 <bengt> ofcourse
23:17:51 <bengt> what time is that ?
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23:20:19 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
23:20:21 <bengt> next monday or this monday ? ;)
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23:33:33 <bengt> Loretta: me and rellero switched assignments
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23:38:26 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
23:38:26 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:38:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cynthia to do "phone number failure" example for 4.1.2 [1]
23:38:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-wai-wcag-irc#T22-38-45