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15:01:03 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
15:01:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng, I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM already started
15:01:05 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
15:01:07 <trackbot-ng> Date: 15 November 2007
15:01:14 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
15:01:26 <MikeSmith> Zakim, IPcaller is MikeSmith
15:01:26 <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
15:02:10 <jo> zakim, code?
15:02:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
15:02:12 <Zakim> +Sean_Owen
15:02:34 <Zakim> +jo
15:02:35 <srowen> (Sean notes he must leave early -- can only stay about 30 minutes)
15:03:49 <adam> adam has joined #bpwg
15:04:04 <Zakim> +??P9
15:04:26 <Zakim> + +1.703.265.aaaa
15:04:29 <adam> zakim, +??P4 is me
15:04:29 <Zakim> sorry, adam, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
15:04:30 <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P9 is adam
15:04:30 <Zakim> +adam; got it
15:04:38 <DKA> headset malfunction now Zakim is acting up
15:04:46 <Zakim> - +1.703.265.aaaa
15:04:55 <Zakim> +??P13
15:05:15 <DKA> zakim ??p13 is DKA
15:05:17 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
15:05:59 <Zakim> +??P16
15:06:18 <jo> zakim, ??P16 is abel
15:06:18 <Zakim> +abel; got it
15:06:28 <abel> zakim, miguel is with me
15:06:28 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
15:09:01 <jo> scribe: Jo
15:09:14 <jo> Topic: Members rejoining the group
15:09:23 <jo> dka: what do we need to do Mike?
15:09:27 <jo> mike: not sure
15:10:17 <MikeSmith> [I'm checking now to see which BPWG members have not rejoined yet]
15:10:21 <Alan> Alan has joined #BPWG
15:11:39 <Zakim> +drooks
15:11:42 <jo> Topic: Actions from F2F
15:12:06 <jo> dka: poll on mobileOK Full
15:12:15 <achuter> achuter has joined #bpwg
15:12:16 <jo> jo: Kai sent some suggested questions
15:13:05 <jo> dka: weren't we going to do a workshop?
15:13:13 <jo> jo: no that was a question on the poll I think
15:13:26 <Zakim> +??P24
15:13:38 <achuter> zakim, ??P24 is me
15:13:38 <Zakim> +achuter; got it
15:14:00 <jo> dka: notes he is jumping around and that there is an action on him to organise a call 
15:14:05 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
15:14:05 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
15:14:10 <jo> ... on mobileOK coordination
15:14:17 <jo> topic: Accessibility doc
15:14:28 <jo> alan: sent an update to the list
15:15:03 <jo> ... new version includes WCAG 2.0 and EOWG has set up a page in the EO space to track issues
15:15:13 <jo> ... with requirements and issues and a change log
15:16:20 <abel> q+
15:16:21 <jo> ... need to schedule some time to discuss, people should review and send comments
15:16:35 <jo> zakim, who is making noise
15:16:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', jo
15:16:44 <jo> zakim, who is making noise?
15:16:55 <Zakim> jo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jo (5%), ??P13 (5%), achuter (87%)
15:17:13 <jo> dka: don't think we can review today as we havent had time to review but do you have anything to raise, alan
15:17:18 <jo> alan: no
15:17:59 <jo> dka: in section 4 need to discuss whether this should be done by adding Does it give me WCAG compliance etc.
15:18:05 <jo> alan: yes I did that
15:18:27 <achuter> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071115#how_mwbp_wcag
15:18:37 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:18:37 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
15:18:53 <jo> dka: Shawn seemed to be asking that we should list WCAG 2.0 first
15:19:13 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
15:19:13 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
15:20:02 <jo> alan: the first section does it give you wcag compliance, under each BP I put WCAG 1.0 first but that can easily be changed
15:20:16 <jo> dka: yes we should make EOWG happy by doing that
15:20:20 <achuter> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071115#how_wcag_mwbp
15:21:00 <jo> alan: bzz, bzz, there are two subsections one dealing with 2.0 checkpoints then 1.0 checkpoints, which means there is a lot of redundant info
15:21:04 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:21:04 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
15:21:32 <jo> ... but I can't see how to do otherwise
15:21:37 <abel> ack me
15:21:57 <jo> ?unkon: something - hadn't had time to review
15:22:22 <jo> s/?unkon/Miguel?
15:22:38 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
15:22:38 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
15:22:44 <jo> DKA: can you publish a new draft by cob on Tuesday?
15:22:45 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:22:45 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
15:22:50 <jo> Alan: OK
15:23:13 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
15:23:13 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
15:23:34 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:23:34 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
15:23:36 <jo> ACTION: Alan to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday
15:23:36 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Alan
15:23:36 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. atai, achuter, abaldwin)
15:23:55 <jo> ACTION: Chuter to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday
15:23:55 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-600 - Produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday [on Alan Chuter - due 2007-11-22].
15:24:19 <jo> Topic: Actions Review
15:24:25 <abel> [miguel: I have not had enough time to review the doc due to other projetcs deadlines,but i will send my contribution before the next call]
15:25:21 <jo> dka: ACTION-581 ?
15:25:32 <jo> jo: that's CT
15:25:37 <jo> dka: oh
15:26:01 <jo> dka: ACTION-586 - er I will do this today
15:26:23 <jo> dka: ACTION-587 on Mike to upload the slides
15:26:29 <jo> mike: I did that
15:26:46 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
15:26:46 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
15:26:48 <jo> jo: can we link them from accessibility page pls
15:26:58 <jo> mike: yup
15:27:08 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:27:08 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
15:27:22 <jo> alan: is that page going to be made public?
15:27:28 <jo> jo: should be already
15:28:01 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/ is world readable
15:28:07 <Zakim> -drooks
15:28:38 <jo> dka: ACTION-588 raise doc at HCG (accessibility doc)
15:28:55 <jo> ... next HCG is on the 23rd so we need to hold on to that one
15:28:58 <DKA> q?
15:29:41 <jo> dka: ACTION-589 - DKA to dispose carefully on techniques - not done it
15:30:18 <jo> mike: ACTION-590 I'll just change the text to say it is no longer being maintained
15:30:30 <MikeSmith> Alan's slides are here:
15:30:31 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/accessibility_tfv2.pdf
15:31:23 <jo> ACTION-595 and ACTION-596 Encourage group to re-register
15:32:33 <jo> jo: there were 40 reminders which went out on the 5th Nov
15:32:33 <jo> mike: could be that Dom sent the reminders
15:33:05 <MikeSmith> q+ to say that I've not been able to determine if there is a way to tell who has not yet re-joined
15:33:13 <DKA> ack mike
15:33:13 <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say that I've not been able to determine if there is a way to tell who has not yet re-joined
15:33:14 <jo> seanp: we got remidners on the 10th
15:34:14 <SeanP> Discrepencies URL from Dom's email: http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:34:43 <jo> mike: I need to ask Ian Jacobs or Dom as I can't tell who rejoined and who is just still there
15:35:06 <srowen> (I must take off early -- regards, and have fun)
15:35:12 <jo> dka: ACTION-599 on Alan about the joint mailing list
15:35:56 <jo> Topic: mobileOK
15:35:56 <jo> sro: not much to say except it is still wonderful
15:36:11 <MikeSmith> q+ to point out http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:36:12 <jo> dka: any feedback from your presentation on Tuesday?
15:36:29 <jo> sro: dunno, I couldn't stay till the end
15:36:32 <Zakim> -Sean_Owen
15:36:42 <jo> ... Steve Bratt had comments
15:37:02 <jo> Topic: Rejoining the group (again)
15:37:25 <jo> mike: to point to http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:39:09 <jo> jo: some of these look like people who joined at the end of the old charter
15:40:18 <jo> ... anyway we need to do some high touch stuff with them to see whether there is a problem
15:42:08 <jo> [discussion about who needs chasing]
15:42:18 <jo> ack m
15:42:18 <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to point out http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:45:00 <jo> dka: action me to send a note to people who didn't renew and then we need to chase people who have recently joined but don't seem to be attending meetings
15:45:42 <jo> ACTION: Dan to send email chasing to people to renew
15:45:42 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-601 - Send email chasing to people to renew [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-11-22].
15:47:02 <jo> [further discussion about what to do]
15:49:32 <jo> [Dan reads pious sentiments that he intends to send]
15:49:58 <jo> [Jo points out that no point in joining just to follow discussions on the list]
15:50:29 <jo> Topic: AOB
15:50:39 <jo> dka: any other issues?
15:50:43 <jo> [silence]
15:50:46 <jo> +1
15:51:06 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:51:18 <Zakim> -adam
15:51:19 <Zakim> -jo
15:51:20 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
15:51:20 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
15:51:24 <Zakim> -abel
15:51:26 <Zakim> -achuter
15:51:26 <Zakim> -??P13
15:51:28 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
15:51:28 <jo> rrsagent, off
15:52:41 <jo> Chair: Dan
15:53:34 <jo> Present: Mike, Jo, Dan, SROwen(Part), SPatterson, Abel, Miguel, Adam, Alan
15:53:45 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:53:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:57:54 <jo> Regrets: drooks, Nacho, PArcher, Bruno, Roland, Rob, Aaron, Bryan, Bindu, Ed, Shah, Dom
15:58:06 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:58:34 <jo> regrets+ Jonathan
15:58:42 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html jo
16:02:48 <matt> matt has joined #bpwg
16:04:11 <jo> zakim, bye
16:04:11 <Zakim> Zakim has left #bpwg
16:04:21 <jo> rrsagent, bye
16:04:21 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-actions.rdf :
16:04:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday [1]
16:04:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc#T15-23-36
16:04:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chuter to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday [2]
16:04:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc#T15-23-55
16:04:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dan to send email chasing to people to renew [3]
16:04:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc#T15-45-42